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    48 hours to test, this could be very intresting

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    Posted: Dec. 28, 2009 - 7:47 PM ET #1

    fellas I'm sorry I dont know how to hook up a link  but go to las vegas review journal.com - sports - just now releasing a story saying nevada is calling for urine test for both fighters within 48 hours,,check it out
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    fellas I'm sorry I dont know how to hook up a link  but go to las vegas review journal.com - sports - just now releasing a story saying nevada is calling for urine test for both fighters within 48 hours,,check it out
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2009 - 9:06 PM ET #2

    That's not before the fight, that's NOW.

    Which is pretty much useless as it's URINE tests that prove nothing, secondly the tests will be done in "approved" labs one in the Philippines and one for May Weather.

    Another dumb twist that has ruined the fight. Nothing is achieved here, Pac-man has damaged his reputation by not signing.

    Then tossing aside allegations, and offering a fight to the First guy who  accused you is even more damaging.  

    This is worse than a soap opera! Neither guys wins, fans lose.. all because of a blood test. Which personally I agree with, a guy jumps that many weight classes (in a VERY short period of time) gets stronger than he WAS, faster, quicker, better chin... it raises questions.

    Remember Pac-man is a TINY guy height wise. I wouldn't be surprised if he quit boxing 100 % to avoid the testing.

    I know it sounds weird but it's the way I feel, he has too much to lose if he got caught (reputation in his country). That would damage his "election" that he wasn't winning anyways.

    The election has always been more important to Pac-man than boxing. You don't schedule the biggest fight of your life in March because you need time for your election.. so it was either March or  after his election In may and the fight would be in the fall.

    Seems like a serious boxing guy who takes the biggest fight of his life based around his election?   

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    That's not before the fight, that's NOW.

    Which is pretty much useless as it's URINE tests that prove nothing, secondly the tests will be done in "approved" labs one in the Philippines and one for May Weather.

    Another dumb twist that has ruined the fight. Nothing is achieved here, Pac-man has damaged his reputation by not signing.

    Then tossing aside allegations, and offering a fight to the First guy who  accused you is even more damaging.  

    This is worse than a soap opera! Neither guys wins, fans lose.. all because of a blood test. Which personally I agree with, a guy jumps that many weight classes (in a VERY short period of time) gets stronger than he WAS, faster, quicker, better chin... it raises questions.

    Remember Pac-man is a TINY guy height wise. I wouldn't be surprised if he quit boxing 100 % to avoid the testing.

    I know it sounds weird but it's the way I feel, he has too much to lose if he got caught (reputation in his country). That would damage his "election" that he wasn't winning anyways.

    The election has always been more important to Pac-man than boxing. You don't schedule the biggest fight of your life in March because you need time for your election.. so it was either March or  after his election In may and the fight would be in the fall.

    Seems like a serious boxing guy who takes the biggest fight of his life based around his election?   

     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2009 - 10:45 PM ET #3

    sept. --as you said before ,,just buying time
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    sept. --as you said before ,,just buying time
     
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    I don't recall ever in the history of boxing a fighter who moves up so many weight classes and gets stronger.

    I'm not saying he is taking PEDs, but it is a reasonable request by the Mayweather people just to be safe. Mayweather agreed to an even more ridiculous request by the Pacquiao camp which was the 10 million per pound over the weight limit.

    As I said in other posts, if you have nothing to hide, you take the test. Plain and simple.
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    I don't recall ever in the history of boxing a fighter who moves up so many weight classes and gets stronger.

    I'm not saying he is taking PEDs, but it is a reasonable request by the Mayweather people just to be safe. Mayweather agreed to an even more ridiculous request by the Pacquiao camp which was the 10 million per pound over the weight limit.

    As I said in other posts, if you have nothing to hide, you take the test. Plain and simple.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2009 - 12:02 AM ET #5

    As he should if you're heart isn't in it and you have loftier goals (running in his Country) who are we to say he cannot do it?

    Although we do pay his check (us the fans) he is entitled to do whatever he wants outside the ring.

    Just didn't have to blow smoke up the fans asses as they've been doing, simply state Manny wants to put his him on the election, he will fight Floyd in September.. people would have been pissed.. but in reality we would have accepted it.

    Now we are stuck with this soap opera, Bob Arum giving "final" then "really final" and "I really mean it final" propositions makes Arum look really desperate ...

    Regardless if anyone likes the tactic Floyd did, it certainly hurt Pac-man's stock.. and searches on manny pacquio and hgh and steroids are pretty much everything!

    Manny NEEDS this to go away for his political aspirations, however much of a pipe dream they may be.

    How anyone can think going from Floyd to Paulie.. isn't a major loss for Pac-man is silly.. and how there isn't a major cloud of pac-mans head which he created by himself!

    Take the blood test, the body replenishes the blood taken in 1 hour, the more he refuses,the MORE the speculation will get worse and worse for him.       
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    As he should if you're heart isn't in it and you have loftier goals (running in his Country) who are we to say he cannot do it?

    Although we do pay his check (us the fans) he is entitled to do whatever he wants outside the ring.

    Just didn't have to blow smoke up the fans asses as they've been doing, simply state Manny wants to put his him on the election, he will fight Floyd in September.. people would have been pissed.. but in reality we would have accepted it.

    Now we are stuck with this soap opera, Bob Arum giving "final" then "really final" and "I really mean it final" propositions makes Arum look really desperate ...

    Regardless if anyone likes the tactic Floyd did, it certainly hurt Pac-man's stock.. and searches on manny pacquio and hgh and steroids are pretty much everything!

    Manny NEEDS this to go away for his political aspirations, however much of a pipe dream they may be.

    How anyone can think going from Floyd to Paulie.. isn't a major loss for Pac-man is silly.. and how there isn't a major cloud of pac-mans head which he created by himself!

    Take the blood test, the body replenishes the blood taken in 1 hour, the more he refuses,the MORE the speculation will get worse and worse for him.       
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2009 - 12:07 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by juan110470:

    I don't recall ever in the history of boxing a fighter who moves up so many weight classes and gets stronger.

    I'm not saying he is taking PEDs, but it is a reasonable request by the Mayweather people just to be safe. Mayweather agreed to an even more ridiculous request by the Pacquiao camp which was the 10 million per pound over the weight limit.

    As I said in other posts, if you have nothing to hide, you take the test. Plain and simple.


    Agreed, not only "stronger" but faster and stronger.. that is a lethal combo!

    Look at Marquez try to move up from 135 to fight Floyd... he looked like a slow old man! The way Pac-man did it.. was TOO GOOD to be true.. he jumped 3 weight classes in how short period of time?

    Here's a Yahoo article showing how hard it is to detect this stuff

    The flap over whether Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. will ever agree to some form of Olympic-style drug testing has gotten more than old by this stage.

    Mayweather wants the testing, he says, to ensure a level-playing field. Pacquiao has an aversion to giving blood close to an event, because he believes it weakens him, but is willing to submit unlimited urine samples and several blood samples as part of an agreed upon schedule.


    t if the goal is to prevent the use of performance-enhancing substances, the testing likely won’t matter, said a leading expert on the subject.

    Victor Conte, the founder and president of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) said athletes perform better off steroids rather than on them and would simply taper in order to be clean by the time of the testing proposed in the Mayweather-Pacquiao talks.

    “I still don’t think it’s effective testing,” Conte said. “When they show up a couple of weeks before to test them, they’ve been using, those who choose to do so, anabolic steroids or testosterone, for several months. Then they very consciously do taper off, because they know that they perform better off of the drugs than on the drugs.”

    Rhadi Ferguson, a PhD and a strength and conditioning coach who has trained Ultimate Fighting Championship light heavyweight Brandon Vera, represented the U.S. in the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece. He said he was subjected to random testing administered by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency many times, though he was not tested in the Games.

    He said it is very difficult to prove usage of Erythropoietin, or EPO, which is one of the drugs that boxer Shane Mosley admitted to using prior to his 2003 fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

    Ferguson scoffed at Pacquiao’s argument that giving blood close to the event would in any way weaken him and said he felt Mayweather gained a great tactical advantage even if he ultimately concedes on the testing issue.

    “The amount of blood they would take from him would be replenished by the body within one hour,” said Ferguson, a distant relative of MMA star Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson. “It’s a fallacious argument. It’s also genius by the Mayweather camp to bring up the USADA testing even if Pacquiao refuses to do the testing or Mayweather concedes not to do it. Mayweather still has won, because even if Pacquiao does win the fight, there is still a shadow cast on Pacquiao’s cleanliness, if you will.”

    Though many “final” deadlines have come and gone, this could still play out for a little more than another week. The actual deadline won’t be until all the marketing plans need to be submitted and the ads for the cable and satellite guides are due. That will be sometime in the first week to 10 days of January.

                             This is from a yahoo article posted Today by Kevin LOLE.

                                                              
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    Quote Originally Posted by juan110470:

    I don't recall ever in the history of boxing a fighter who moves up so many weight classes and gets stronger.

    I'm not saying he is taking PEDs, but it is a reasonable request by the Mayweather people just to be safe. Mayweather agreed to an even more ridiculous request by the Pacquiao camp which was the 10 million per pound over the weight limit.

    As I said in other posts, if you have nothing to hide, you take the test. Plain and simple.


    Agreed, not only "stronger" but faster and stronger.. that is a lethal combo!

    Look at Marquez try to move up from 135 to fight Floyd... he looked like a slow old man! The way Pac-man did it.. was TOO GOOD to be true.. he jumped 3 weight classes in how short period of time?

    Here's a Yahoo article showing how hard it is to detect this stuff

    The flap over whether Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. will ever agree to some form of Olympic-style drug testing has gotten more than old by this stage.

    Mayweather wants the testing, he says, to ensure a level-playing field. Pacquiao has an aversion to giving blood close to an event, because he believes it weakens him, but is willing to submit unlimited urine samples and several blood samples as part of an agreed upon schedule.


    t if the goal is to prevent the use of performance-enhancing substances, the testing likely won’t matter, said a leading expert on the subject.

    Victor Conte, the founder and president of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) said athletes perform better off steroids rather than on them and would simply taper in order to be clean by the time of the testing proposed in the Mayweather-Pacquiao talks.

    “I still don’t think it’s effective testing,” Conte said. “When they show up a couple of weeks before to test them, they’ve been using, those who choose to do so, anabolic steroids or testosterone, for several months. Then they very consciously do taper off, because they know that they perform better off of the drugs than on the drugs.”

    Rhadi Ferguson, a PhD and a strength and conditioning coach who has trained Ultimate Fighting Championship light heavyweight Brandon Vera, represented the U.S. in the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece. He said he was subjected to random testing administered by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency many times, though he was not tested in the Games.

    He said it is very difficult to prove usage of Erythropoietin, or EPO, which is one of the drugs that boxer Shane Mosley admitted to using prior to his 2003 fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

    Ferguson scoffed at Pacquiao’s argument that giving blood close to the event would in any way weaken him and said he felt Mayweather gained a great tactical advantage even if he ultimately concedes on the testing issue.

    “The amount of blood they would take from him would be replenished by the body within one hour,” said Ferguson, a distant relative of MMA star Kevin “Kimbo Slice” Ferguson. “It’s a fallacious argument. It’s also genius by the Mayweather camp to bring up the USADA testing even if Pacquiao refuses to do the testing or Mayweather concedes not to do it. Mayweather still has won, because even if Pacquiao does win the fight, there is still a shadow cast on Pacquiao’s cleanliness, if you will.”

    Though many “final” deadlines have come and gone, this could still play out for a little more than another week. The actual deadline won’t be until all the marketing plans need to be submitted and the ads for the cable and satellite guides are due. That will be sometime in the first week to 10 days of January.

                             This is from a yahoo article posted Today by Kevin LOLE.

                                                              
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