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I know to many, this many seem like oh a conspiracy theory. Please listen to this... we already don't trust boxing... but now last night do you realize there was 3 people PROMOTING the fight, and TWO of them were IN the RING!

Marquez Productions? HMM new one to me! Money Promotions, and GOLDEN boy Productions... ? This is way too suspicious.

Why do you think Marquez could care one bit about Floyd's weight? The fight was made to go the distance, Marquez keeps his name and everyone will say  it was the weight, clear cut case (which is partially true).

Secondly we ALL know Floyd could of easily finished him, but the agreement was made, Marquez goes back down in weight. The loss really doesn't matter as long as he doesn't get KO'd  he wins in every category. Realize each man gets a CUT from the PPV.

Floyd got 10 million BEFORE PPV, Marquez 2 million plus most of the 600,000 from Floyd.

I will say there were many buys and Marquez will clear about  6 million after PPV buys and Floyd will Clear about 10 million MORE.

Do you remember when Oscar moved up to fight Hopkins and took a dive in the 9th from a body shot which wasn't even hard. Guess what HOPKINS and Oscar became partners.

Now Mosley,Hopkins,Barerra,Marquez,and Oscar are ALL in it together.

Pac-man, Cotto and Clottey (Arum) are some of the big players NOT under that umbrella.

MY advice is be careful of ALL HBO fighters, Oscar has full control over HBO!

Showtime will have the tournament starting next month this is a FAIR and GOOD tournament.

It's a sad state boxing is in, us fans NOT getting what we want, we are getting to see what the promoters want us to see. Now the fighters themselves have a hand in the cookie jar, how can you trust any fighter who stands to make a ton promoting his own fight?

Think about it Marquez is 36 he promoted the fight also, got 2 million straight up, and will make another 6 million on PPV BUYS. Floyd is now part of all off this... I knew I smelled a rat when he fought Hatton and said he was retiring/leaving for a while.

He then said "Money Promotions and Golden Boy" will be the best. Now we have Marquez Production, this is getting a bit ridiculous lets not forget Hatton promotions.

Clearly evident in the fight, there was an agreement Floyd will look like the old Floyd and Marquez will just be a victim who got baited into taking a fight too many weight classes above him.

I know these fighters are all about making money, but they're bankrolling the viewers money into their own production company and not even competing anymore, why fight when you can make an agreement where BOTH fighters end up with a ton of money and no one gets hurt.- Except the viewers!

My advice is be careful Oscar is taking over Boxing, he got Marquez in this fight, made him part of his umbrella for future promoting.

I may stick to showtime!
 
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The only reason Floyd didn't get the KO is because Floyd is Floyd. He just will not take any chances, even against a slower & undersized opponent. It's hard to KO a world class fighter when you choose to throw 1 punch at a time,for fear of getting hit with anything coming back. Floyd only KO's stiffs & face first slow handed punches. That's why he has very little chance of KOing Pac-Man.
 
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Rich, this isn't like you.  Your paranoia is at an all-time high. 
 
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I don't think it's paranoia at all, if you can pick one part where it doesn't make sense.. When was the last time you seen a PPV fight that is Promoted by the same two guys in the ring?

Floyd did what he needed to do, which was beat Marquez easily so can get a 50/50 purse, and when it comes negotiating time he will point to the Marquez fight as leverage.

That was a business deal all the way through, everyone knew Marquez didn't have a prayer (as I stated in a few previous posts).

You yourself did an amazing job NOT betting the fight Danno danger  because you knew you couldn't separate your feelings for Marquez as a fighter (which he deserves) and bet against him even though it was the right call.

 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

I know to many, this many seem like oh a conspiracy theory. Please listen to this... we already don't trust boxing... but now last night do you realize there was 3 people PROMOTING the fight, and TWO of them were IN the RING!

Marquez Productions? HMM new one to me! Money Promotions, and GOLDEN boy Productions... ? This is way too suspicious.

Why do you think Marquez could care one bit about Floyd's weight? The fight was made to go the distance, Marquez keeps his name and everyone will say  it was the weight, clear cut case (which is partially true).

Secondly we ALL know Floyd could of easily finished him, but the agreement was made, Marquez goes back down in weight. The loss really doesn't matter as long as he doesn't get KO'd  he wins in every category. Realize each man gets a CUT from the PPV.

Floyd got 10 million BEFORE PPV, Marquez 2 million plus most of the 600,000 from Floyd.

I will say there were many buys and Marquez will clear about  6 million after PPV buys and Floyd will Clear about 10 million MORE.

Do you remember when Oscar moved up to fight Hopkins and took a dive in the 9th from a body shot which wasn't even hard. Guess what HOPKINS and Oscar became partners.

Now Mosley,Hopkins,Barerra,Marquez,and Oscar are ALL in it together.

Pac-man, Cotto and Clottey (Arum) are some of the big players NOT under that umbrella.

MY advice is be careful of ALL HBO fighters, Oscar has full control over HBO!

Showtime will have the tournament starting next month this is a FAIR and GOOD tournament.

It's a sad state boxing is in, us fans NOT getting what we want, we are getting to see what the promoters want us to see. Now the fighters themselves have a hand in the cookie jar, how can you trust any fighter who stands to make a ton promoting his own fight?

Think about it Marquez is 36 he promoted the fight also, got 2 million straight up, and will make another 6 million on PPV BUYS. Floyd is now part of all off this... I knew I smelled a rat when he fought Hatton and said he was retiring/leaving for a while.

He then said "Money Promotions and Golden Boy" will be the best. Now we have Marquez Production, this is getting a bit ridiculous lets not forget Hatton promotions.

Clearly evident in the fight, there was an agreement Floyd will look like the old Floyd and Marquez will just be a victim who got baited into taking a fight too many weight classes above him.

I know these fighters are all about making money, but they're bankrolling the viewers money into their own production company and not even competing anymore, why fight when you can make an agreement where BOTH fighters end up with a ton of money and no one gets hurt.- Except the viewers!

My advice is be careful Oscar is taking over Boxing, he got Marquez in this fight, made him part of his umbrella for future promoting.

I may stick to showtime!

do you think the fix is in in the upcoming "Arreola-Klitchko" fight? 
 
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Just off the top of my head, Calzaghe vs. Jones was promoted by both fighters.  Having a promotional company is nothing new for fighters.  In the end, most of these fights have to go through a real promoter (Golden Boy), because alot of these fighters create their company, but don't have their promoters' license.  HBO likes dealing with Golden Boy, that's no secret.  JMM's company was new to me, but the practice is not.  Winky has his 'company' too, but he goes through Golden Boy too.   
 
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Rich, you will not believe this, had to respond as soon as I saw your post, as you know I was in vegas for fight weekend (just got back today) and had a small play on JJM , did not attend the fight and kept up by way of scroll from hotel room, anyway, on sunday morning around 6 am or so I happened to be headed into the MGM ( I dont drink and am an early riser) , struck up a conversation with a lady about mid 60's or so, it turn's out she was  a high level security /payroll managemnet type for the hotel on her way in to workl, we got to talking about how the hotel must have had a huge night with the fight and everything eles going on, I had asked her if she had won any money on the fight and she said she had passed as the word thru her office was that the fix was indeed on, your write up makes perfect sense and as soon as I saw the posting it made me think of my conversation in the bowels of the parking deck at the MGM , smelt bad then, and still does  you're the best , keep that left jab pumpin
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:

Rich, you will not believe this, had to respond as soon as I saw your post, as you know I was in vegas for fight weekend (just got back today) and had a small play on JJM , did not attend the fight and kept up by way of scroll from hotel room, anyway, on sunday morning around 6 am or so I happened to be headed into the MGM ( I dont drink and am an early riser) , struck up a conversation with a lady about mid 60's or so, it turn's out she was  a high level security /payroll managemnet type for the hotel on her way in to workl, we got to talking about how the hotel must have had a huge night with the fight and everything eles going on, I had asked her if she had won any money on the fight and she said she had passed as the word thru her office was that the fix was indeed on, your write up makes perfect sense and as soon as I saw the posting it made me think of my conversation in the bowels of the parking deck at the MGM , smelt bad then, and still does  you're the best , keep that left jab pumpin


Thanks for the info, it just didn't add up, then the scripted thing after wards made it even worse.

What saddens me is I love Marquez as a fighter, and I do believe Floyd is one of the best ever, but these were two fighters that I thought would never take a dive or sell out.

I cannot blame Marquez at his age 36, he deserved a huge payday, but never heard of Marquez Productions, until that night.

I also was watching the mayweather/hatton fight, and something stood out, Floyd during the after fight interview said "Money Productions & Golden Boy will do great things together.

I was like Money productions? He said it's now time for him to be a promoter he's DONE with boxing.

If you realize it, Oscar did the same stunt, right with Bernard Hopkins, took a dive on a B.S Body shot, they collected $20 + million a piece and became partners.

Mosley has a piece of it too but doesn't have his name on it. I know Barerra has a piece of it also, but I'm sure his is small as he got in on the end.

Hatton has his own production company, but that is logical as the UK is all to himself and can make a ton promoting those fighters.

I know Roy Jones has done it for quite a while, but his stable was small (Believe Winky was one of the few major ones).

State of boxing now, any fight that Oscar/Mosley/Marquez/Floyd are involved with proceed with caution!

Pac-man/Mayweather will never happen, and it will be Floyd/Mosley  in a PPV and the fans get shut out again as we wanted Floyd/Pacman .. and we get a soap opera instead.


 
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Rich, do you really believe that Pac/Floyd is a more competitive fight than Shane/Floyd?  Really?  I've been wanting to see Shane/Floyd for years.  Maybe I'm in the minority. 
 
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would prefer pac man - mayweather myself, but mosley - mayweather would be worth a look see no doubt
 
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

Rich, do you really believe that Pac/Floyd is a more competitive fight than Shane/Floyd?  Really?  I've been wanting to see Shane/Floyd for years.  Maybe I'm in the minority. 


Well like you I believe Mayweather would demolish Pac-man.

The reason I would rather watch Pac-man now is because Mosley cannot be trusted.

BEFORE that scene with Floyd, Yes I thought for years Mosley was the best fit for  Floyd he matches up well against him.

If somehow I could trust  Mosley now he would be a live dog, but see him losing a decision anyways but style wish he can hang with Floyd.

He has the speed, chin, and stamina to hang in there, although MORE hittable now advantage Mayweather big time with defense.

I just cannot trust Mosley/Floyd, at least Pac-man although I believe he doesn't have a prayer, would be a straight fight, no lay down.

I do agree on paper MOSLEY is the best fight for Floyd.

I would love to see Paul Williams, but you won't see Floyd fight him nor any 147 fighter except Clottey as he always takes the hardest fights.


 
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We'll never see Williams fight at 147 again.  It's not worth it for him to come down, because none of the big money guys will fight him.  I think he's at middle to stay.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



Thanks for the info, it just didn't add up, then the scripted thing after wards made it even worse.

What saddens me is I love Marquez as a fighter, and I do believe Floyd is one of the best ever, but these were two fighters that I thought would never take a dive or sell out.

I cannot blame Marquez at his age 36, he deserved a huge payday, but never heard of Marquez Productions, until that night.

I also was watching the mayweather/hatton fight, and something stood out, Floyd during the after fight interview said "Money Productions & Golden Boy will do great things together.

I was like Money productions? He said it's now time for him to be a promoter he's DONE with boxing.

If you realize it, Oscar did the same stunt, right with Bernard Hopkins, took a dive on a B.S Body shot, they collected $20 + million a piece and became partners.

Mosley has a piece of it too but doesn't have his name on it. I know Barerra has a piece of it also, but I'm sure his is small as he got in on the end.

Hatton has his own production company, but that is logical as the UK is all to himself and can make a ton promoting those fighters.

I know Roy Jones has done it for quite a while, but his stable was small (Believe Winky was one of the few major ones).

State of boxing now, any fight that Oscar/Mosley/Marquez/Floyd are involved with proceed with caution!

Pac-man/Mayweather will never happen, and it will be Floyd/Mosley  in a PPV and the fans get shut out again as we wanted Floyd/Pacman .. and we get a soap opera instead.




I'm pretty sure that most of those Promotions (not Productions) such as Winky Promotions, Money Promotions, Marquez, and others are just a way for fighters to duplicate Oscar's blueprint of handling a portion of the business part of their careers instead of just the part that takes place between the ropes.  The same thing happens in music... example, Dr. Dre signs Eminem to Dre's Aftermath record label and lets Eminem open the Shady Records subdivision which houses his artists, such as D-12 and 50 Cent. 50 Cent then starts G-Unit Records which is a subsidiary of Shady Records which is a part of Aftermath. Dre gets money from everything under his umbrella, but gets a smaller chunk of money from 50 Cent because that's two levels down the pyramid.

The problem is boxing is that a lot of these fighters don't have stables large enough to sustain any functionality as a promotions company beyond promoting their own fights. Winky Wright is a great example of that. But... if Winky ever wants to put on a local event in his hometown, he now has the freedom, structure, and ability to put on his own shows. This new trend of fighters having promotion companies is not a sign of foul play.  Too bad Mike Tyson and Larry Holmes didn't have the wherewithal to start their own promotion companies back in the 80s & 90s and free themselves from Don King's pimp hand.

And Oscar did NOT take a dive against Bernard Hopkins. That was a legit body shot that led to a disappointing ending to a fight that Oscar was winning at the time.  You only need to be incapacitated for 10 seconds to lose the fight and a body shot like that was exactly what it took to do so.  Hopkins Sauce!  And if there was a slim chance that Oscar could have made it up by 8 or 9 in the count, he would have stood up to face a Bernard Hopkins that was getting stronger and closer to Oscar every round.  Knowing how Oscar fades and how brutal Bernard can be (I'm thinking of the Trinidad KO), I think Oscar MAY HAVE made a conscious decision to avoid future punishment and more Hopkins Sauce.

I much more comfortable with someone saying that Oscar gave up than someone saying the fix was in.
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