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    Berto vs Zaveck 9/3

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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2011 - 11:35 AM ET #1

    Currently my bookie has it at Berto -500 and Zaveck +350 and the Draw at +600.  U/O set at 11.5 

    I think this fight is a tougher one to call than most people think.  Although Berto seems to have all the advatanges in age, speed, footwork, technically superior, he has always shown that he fades late in the game.  He manages to keep his feet on the ground, but he gets more and more sloppy and fights with his hands down.  Against a Mayweather or Pacquiao hes a goner.  That is a huge champion character issue.  If you can't last the full 12 rounds then you are not worth -500.  The fight is Missouri, so Berto should get a slight lean on the judges card.  I like the over more than anything.  Javeck has shown that he can go the distance often and has a strong chin.  Additionally he only has a KO rate of 54.5%, so I'd doubt he would hurt Berto all that much.  


    I see this fight with Berto starting sharply gaining an edge in the first 6-7 rounds.  His speed and jumping left hook should catch Zaveck often in the beginning.   Berto will then start to fade and Zaveck will race to catch up in the cards for a marginal loss.  

    In any case I am feeling the over at +120.  I might lay the chalk on Berto for the win, but I am still hesitant to lay that much out on Berto. 

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    Currently my bookie has it at Berto -500 and Zaveck +350 and the Draw at +600.  U/O set at 11.5 

    I think this fight is a tougher one to call than most people think.  Although Berto seems to have all the advatanges in age, speed, footwork, technically superior, he has always shown that he fades late in the game.  He manages to keep his feet on the ground, but he gets more and more sloppy and fights with his hands down.  Against a Mayweather or Pacquiao hes a goner.  That is a huge champion character issue.  If you can't last the full 12 rounds then you are not worth -500.  The fight is Missouri, so Berto should get a slight lean on the judges card.  I like the over more than anything.  Javeck has shown that he can go the distance often and has a strong chin.  Additionally he only has a KO rate of 54.5%, so I'd doubt he would hurt Berto all that much.  


    I see this fight with Berto starting sharply gaining an edge in the first 6-7 rounds.  His speed and jumping left hook should catch Zaveck often in the beginning.   Berto will then start to fade and Zaveck will race to catch up in the cards for a marginal loss.  

    In any case I am feeling the over at +120.  I might lay the chalk on Berto for the win, but I am still hesitant to lay that much out on Berto. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2011 - 6:27 PM ET #2

    Berto is going to destroy Zaveck. It's a complete mismatch, in every sense. Berto will finish him well before the final bell. 

    Zaveck = protected Eurotrash. To be honest, 5/1 is too short. Berto should be closer to -1000. 
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    Berto is going to destroy Zaveck. It's a complete mismatch, in every sense. Berto will finish him well before the final bell. 

    Zaveck = protected Eurotrash. To be honest, 5/1 is too short. Berto should be closer to -1000. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #3

    You don't think hes going to fade just like all his other fights?
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    You don't think hes going to fade just like all his other fights?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 31, 2011 - 7:25 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by SawLo:

    You don't think hes going to fade just like all his other fights?

    No, since he'll finish him well before that. Also, putting a "fades" label on Berto is inaccurate. Is there some slowing down? Yeah, of course. However, it's because he was throwing meaningful bombs during the earlier portion of the fight. 

    Unless he fatigued so bad he couldn't stand up, there is absolutely no chance he would lose due to stamina issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SawLo:

    You don't think hes going to fade just like all his other fights?

    No, since he'll finish him well before that. Also, putting a "fades" label on Berto is inaccurate. Is there some slowing down? Yeah, of course. However, it's because he was throwing meaningful bombs during the earlier portion of the fight. 

    Unless he fatigued so bad he couldn't stand up, there is absolutely no chance he would lose due to stamina issues.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2011 - 3:51 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    No, since he'll finish him well before that. Also, putting a "fades" label on Berto is inaccurate. Is there some slowing down? Yeah, of course. However, it's because he was throwing meaningful bombs during the earlier portion of the fight. 

    Unless he fatigued so bad he couldn't stand up, there is absolutely no chance he would lose due to stamina issues.


    Excellent insight as always

    DiBella buying a portion of the belt to hopefully land a deal with one of the 2 big shot callers.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    No, since he'll finish him well before that. Also, putting a "fades" label on Berto is inaccurate. Is there some slowing down? Yeah, of course. However, it's because he was throwing meaningful bombs during the earlier portion of the fight. 

    Unless he fatigued so bad he couldn't stand up, there is absolutely no chance he would lose due to stamina issues.


    Excellent insight as always

    DiBella buying a portion of the belt to hopefully land a deal with one of the 2 big shot callers.  
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2011 - 11:24 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    No, since he'll finish him well before that. Also, putting a "fades" label on Berto is inaccurate. Is there some slowing down? Yeah, of course. However, it's because he was throwing meaningful bombs during the earlier portion of the fight. 

    Unless he fatigued so bad he couldn't stand up, there is absolutely no chance he would lose due to stamina issues.

    I seem to expect similar from what I saw on the Ortiz fight.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    No, since he'll finish him well before that. Also, putting a "fades" label on Berto is inaccurate. Is there some slowing down? Yeah, of course. However, it's because he was throwing meaningful bombs during the earlier portion of the fight. 

    Unless he fatigued so bad he couldn't stand up, there is absolutely no chance he would lose due to stamina issues.

    I seem to expect similar from what I saw on the Ortiz fight.  
     
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    Posted: Sep. 1, 2011 - 11:16 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:



    Excellent insight as always

    DiBella buying a portion of the belt to hopefully land a deal with one of the 2 big shot callers.  

    Thanks man. Most entertaining man on Twitter. He'll DM you responses but won't air shit. It's hilarious. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:



    Excellent insight as always

    DiBella buying a portion of the belt to hopefully land a deal with one of the 2 big shot callers.  

    Thanks man. Most entertaining man on Twitter. He'll DM you responses but won't air shit. It's hilarious. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 4, 2011 - 12:36 AM ET #8

    In my opinion Berto was on his way to a  UD

    anyone see it differently ?

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    In my opinion Berto was on his way to a  UD

    anyone see it differently ?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 4, 2011 - 12:37 AM ET #9

    It's obvious Berto has no fan following though 
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    It's obvious Berto has no fan following though 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    In my opinion Berto was on his way to a  UD

    anyone see it differently ?


    At worst. He would have stopped him later regardless. He was beating Zaveck's ass. Too quick, too strong. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    In my opinion Berto was on his way to a  UD

    anyone see it differently ?


    At worst. He would have stopped him later regardless. He was beating Zaveck's ass. Too quick, too strong. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 4, 2011 - 12:26 PM ET #11

    I would've liked to have seen what happened in the late rounds of that fight.  I don't think it was as one-sided as others do.

     

    And I don't get all the fawning over Gary Russell.  Sure his hands are lightning fast, but he doesn't seem to have real power and he isn't that hard to hit.  Maybe that's because he had no fear of the guy in front of him, but he seemed to eat a lot of shots.  Would Miranda have seen the final bell against Gamboa or JuanMa when they were prospects?  He might not have seen the third round.

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    I would've liked to have seen what happened in the late rounds of that fight.  I don't think it was as one-sided as others do.

     

    And I don't get all the fawning over Gary Russell.  Sure his hands are lightning fast, but he doesn't seem to have real power and he isn't that hard to hit.  Maybe that's because he had no fear of the guy in front of him, but he seemed to eat a lot of shots.  Would Miranda have seen the final bell against Gamboa or JuanMa when they were prospects?  He might not have seen the third round.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    I would've liked to have seen what happened in the late rounds of that fight.  I don't think it was as one-sided as others do.

     

    And I don't get all the fawning over Gary Russell.  Sure his hands are lightning fast, but he doesn't seem to have real power and he isn't that hard to hit.  Maybe that's because he had no fear of the guy in front of him, but he seemed to eat a lot of shots.  Would Miranda have seen the final bell against Gamboa or JuanMa when they were prospects?  He might not have seen the third round.


    I agree. You would have thought he was similar to an 19 year old Mike Tyson the way they were talking. Hardly so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    I would've liked to have seen what happened in the late rounds of that fight.  I don't think it was as one-sided as others do.

     

    And I don't get all the fawning over Gary Russell.  Sure his hands are lightning fast, but he doesn't seem to have real power and he isn't that hard to hit.  Maybe that's because he had no fear of the guy in front of him, but he seemed to eat a lot of shots.  Would Miranda have seen the final bell against Gamboa or JuanMa when they were prospects?  He might not have seen the third round.


    I agree. You would have thought he was similar to an 19 year old Mike Tyson the way they were talking. Hardly so.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    I agree. You would have thought he was similar to an 19 year old Mike Tyson the way they were talking. Hardly so.

    10 KOs in 18 victories, against the slop that he has fought.  Bad hands or not, he needs to do more than that to impress me. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    I agree. You would have thought he was similar to an 19 year old Mike Tyson the way they were talking. Hardly so.

    10 KOs in 18 victories, against the slop that he has fought.  Bad hands or not, he needs to do more than that to impress me. 

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