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    Clottey to win EASY - write up!

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    nuttyrich
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 5:05 AM ET #1

    Okay first real fight I've been interested in since Hatton/Pacman.

    Let's go!

    Clottey in my eyes is the BET in this match up.

    Clottey after viewing many of his fights, is actually JUST as fast a Cotto HAND speed wise.

    Clottey is a great body puncher mostly with his left hand, he doesn't just land one hard shot. Clottey lands MULTIPLE combos to the body!

    Clottey has an IRON CHIN! Clottey is the MUCH bigger man. Clottey gains on average about 15-20 pounds the DAY OF the fight.

    Clottey is a great inside fighter, doesn't jab as MUCH as he can or should with brawlers.

    Clottey throws ONE punch Cotto CANNOT handle it's the UPPER CUT. Clottey does sometime LUNGE IN which is dangerous but not against Cotto and I will say why in a minute.

    Clottey can throw COMBOS effortlessly, he can thow a right uppercut or LEFT. Cotto WALK into uppercuts and right hands!

    Now all this great stuff about Clottey, Cotto is NO BUM he goes to the body also has good hand speed, and has BETTER foot speed.

    Cotto's main  flaw which can never be fixed is he CANNOT PUNCH unless he's planted. He cannot throw a solid body shot or any punch unless he's planted or coming forward.

    Look at every video of Cotto- you will see every punch he's  landed he was going 100 into the punch. Why do you think Margarito even though he got hit with a lot of shots, COTTO never got to the body.

    After the late 6th round Cotto started eating shots. ANY Forward fighter who doesn't allow Cotto to plant/move forward can HURT HIM BADLY.

    Torres who was a 140 fighter, had Cotto HURT BADLY. Cotto's only way of getting back was guess what .. a LOW blow, TWO of them.

    He doesn't have  a lick of defense, he did the same thing against Zab Juddah when Juddah tagged him with a beautiful upper cut  which he RAN into. 10 seconds later, Juddah is on the canvas because thats the only way Cotto could create distance when he was in trouble.

    Remember Miguel Cotto  was the next coming of Tito Trinidad, once Trinidad got exposed.

    He has been given big paydays and life on a silver platter.

    Joshua Clottey was fighting on the versus network and promised a title shot, he won and  guess what never got a shot.


    Also take a look at Clottey versus Margarito, Margarito was faster and leaner there simply you tube it. By the time he fought Cotto he was a looping slow handed puncher (probably with more wrapping).

    Clottey may NOT seem like a K.O artist, but he dishes out a TON of PAIN. Sometimes you don't need a big punch the the other guy has a weak CHIN and also runs INTO the punches.

    The fact that Cotto will be the MUCH smaller man in the ring, spells DOOM for HIM.

    He can switch to South Paw and throw off Clottey but it won't make a difference, Clottey is a technician who adjusts and he may lose a few rounds from playing defense, but when he catches Cotto with a left hook to the body, and then the upper cut, goodnight Senor Cotto.

    At this insane price you don't even need a prop, take CLOTTEY  to WIN.

    I encourage anyone likes Cotto, to do a write up maybe explaining why they like him and how to defeat Clottey.

    This is not a bash against Cotto he just chose the wrong fighter.He should of re-matched Mosley. At these insane odds, you have to take a gift anytime it's handed to you. These are one of those times.

    Remember Cotto is Naturally a 140 fighter, when questions about him having no defense and questionable chin and stamina, he said it was weight.

    Great you moved up, fought either fighters who were 140 or weak punching fighters. How will you deal with the guy who is coming into the ring who will be 15 pounds naturally HEAVIER THAN YOU?

    JUMP on this NOW as as the fight nears, people will jump on Clottey. Great thing about boxing, the PUBLIC dictates the ODDS!
     
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Okay first real fight I've been interested in since Hatton/Pacman.

    Let's go!

    Clottey in my eyes is the BET in this match up.

    Clottey after viewing many of his fights, is actually JUST as fast a Cotto HAND speed wise.

    Clottey is a great body puncher mostly with his left hand, he doesn't just land one hard shot. Clottey lands MULTIPLE combos to the body!

    Clottey has an IRON CHIN! Clottey is the MUCH bigger man. Clottey gains on average about 15-20 pounds the DAY OF the fight.

    Clottey is a great inside fighter, doesn't jab as MUCH as he can or should with brawlers.

    Clottey throws ONE punch Cotto CANNOT handle it's the UPPER CUT. Clottey does sometime LUNGE IN which is dangerous but not against Cotto and I will say why in a minute.

    Clottey can throw COMBOS effortlessly, he can thow a right uppercut or LEFT. Cotto WALK into uppercuts and right hands!

    Now all this great stuff about Clottey, Cotto is NO BUM he goes to the body also has good hand speed, and has BETTER foot speed.

    Cotto's main  flaw which can never be fixed is he CANNOT PUNCH unless he's planted. He cannot throw a solid body shot or any punch unless he's planted or coming forward.

    Look at every video of Cotto- you will see every punch he's  landed he was going 100 into the punch. Why do you think Margarito even though he got hit with a lot of shots, COTTO never got to the body.

    After the late 6th round Cotto started eating shots. ANY Forward fighter who doesn't allow Cotto to plant/move forward can HURT HIM BADLY.

    Torres who was a 140 fighter, had Cotto HURT BADLY. Cotto's only way of getting back was guess what .. a LOW blow, TWO of them.

    He doesn't have  a lick of defense, he did the same thing against Zab Juddah when Juddah tagged him with a beautiful upper cut  which he RAN into. 10 seconds later, Juddah is on the canvas because thats the only way Cotto could create distance when he was in trouble.

    Remember Miguel Cotto  was the next coming of Tito Trinidad, once Trinidad got exposed.

    He has been given big paydays and life on a silver platter.

    Joshua Clottey was fighting on the versus network and promised a title shot, he won and  guess what never got a shot.


    Also take a look at Clottey versus Margarito, Margarito was faster and leaner there simply you tube it. By the time he fought Cotto he was a looping slow handed puncher (probably with more wrapping).

    Clottey may NOT seem like a K.O artist, but he dishes out a TON of PAIN. Sometimes you don't need a big punch the the other guy has a weak CHIN and also runs INTO the punches.

    The fact that Cotto will be the MUCH smaller man in the ring, spells DOOM for HIM.

    He can switch to South Paw and throw off Clottey but it won't make a difference, Clottey is a technician who adjusts and he may lose a few rounds from playing defense, but when he catches Cotto with a left hook to the body, and then the upper cut, goodnight Senor Cotto.

    At this insane price you don't even need a prop, take CLOTTEY  to WIN.

    I encourage anyone likes Cotto, to do a write up maybe explaining why they like him and how to defeat Clottey.

    This is not a bash against Cotto he just chose the wrong fighter.He should of re-matched Mosley. At these insane odds, you have to take a gift anytime it's handed to you. These are one of those times.

    Remember Cotto is Naturally a 140 fighter, when questions about him having no defense and questionable chin and stamina, he said it was weight.

    Great you moved up, fought either fighters who were 140 or weak punching fighters. How will you deal with the guy who is coming into the ring who will be 15 pounds naturally HEAVIER THAN YOU?

    JUMP on this NOW as as the fight nears, people will jump on Clottey. Great thing about boxing, the PUBLIC dictates the ODDS!
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 5:34 AM ET #2

     Good write up!
     
    I was thinking of taking this bet just based purely on the odds. I'm sort of 50% 50% on who will win ... which means either fighter at close to -300 is a great bet!  With PR day comming up before the fight I think people are gonna be betting on Cotto bigtime. I hope they drive up the odds even more.  I'm consdering the following two bets on this:
     
    Clottey straight bet 1 unit to win around 3
    Clottey + Klitchko/Hay u8.5 + Mayweather - bet 1 unit to win around 6
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     Good write up!
     
    I was thinking of taking this bet just based purely on the odds. I'm sort of 50% 50% on who will win ... which means either fighter at close to -300 is a great bet!  With PR day comming up before the fight I think people are gonna be betting on Cotto bigtime. I hope they drive up the odds even more.  I'm consdering the following two bets on this:
     
    Clottey straight bet 1 unit to win around 3
    Clottey + Klitchko/Hay u8.5 + Mayweather - bet 1 unit to win around 6
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 5:35 AM ET #3

    oops, I meant at close to +300
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    oops, I meant at close to +300
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 5:58 AM ET #4

    Nice write-up
     
     
          If the fight were to take place inside a phone booth I would definitely favor Clotty. I think Cotto realizes that it would be foolish of him to slug it out in this match-up. We all know that Clotty has the stronger beard, better defense & would love an inside war. Cotto main edge IMO is his quicker feet & his ability to bring a more diversified attack. He needs to box & move for all 12 rounds. Clotty can be very predictable in the way he approaches the bouts I've watched him participate in.
    He comes forward slowly with that shell like defense & waits for his opponent to make a mistake.
     
    Although I must concede the odds seem a little high on Cotto I still think he wins a close decision. My $$$ will be riding on the OVER. GLTU!
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    Nice write-up
     
     
          If the fight were to take place inside a phone booth I would definitely favor Clotty. I think Cotto realizes that it would be foolish of him to slug it out in this match-up. We all know that Clotty has the stronger beard, better defense & would love an inside war. Cotto main edge IMO is his quicker feet & his ability to bring a more diversified attack. He needs to box & move for all 12 rounds. Clotty can be very predictable in the way he approaches the bouts I've watched him participate in.
    He comes forward slowly with that shell like defense & waits for his opponent to make a mistake.
     
    Although I must concede the odds seem a little high on Cotto I still think he wins a close decision. My $$$ will be riding on the OVER. GLTU!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 7:57 AM ET #5

    I think Clottley is the value play, wouldn't put anyone off taking the odds but I think Cotto outboxes him to a 116-112 win
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    I think Clottley is the value play, wouldn't put anyone off taking the odds but I think Cotto outboxes him to a 116-112 win
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 2:22 PM ET #6

    Nice write, hopefully the fight is just as good.  I'm going to be pulling for Clottey bigtime.  Not only because of the coin, but because he's walking into a firestorm, and he will be the proverbial underdog.  It doesn't get any better than fighting the "hometown" fighter, a day before a big parade honoring the homeland, on the hollowed ground of MSG.  This is the perfect stage for an epic upset.  Although I'm a fan of both fighters, I'm going with who I think is th better fighter. 
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    Nice write, hopefully the fight is just as good.  I'm going to be pulling for Clottey bigtime.  Not only because of the coin, but because he's walking into a firestorm, and he will be the proverbial underdog.  It doesn't get any better than fighting the "hometown" fighter, a day before a big parade honoring the homeland, on the hollowed ground of MSG.  This is the perfect stage for an epic upset.  Although I'm a fan of both fighters, I'm going with who I think is th better fighter. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 3:49 PM ET #7

    Rich, I will put my full writeup in about a day before the fight. You know me I need to analyze everything. So stand by Friday for my full reply. As always respect bro
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    Rich, I will put my full writeup in about a day before the fight. You know me I need to analyze everything. So stand by Friday for my full reply. As always respect bro
     
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    Some good comments here.  Still thinking this one over, although my initial take is Cotto via decision. 
     
    I was in MSG for the Judah fight and the atmosphere there was absolutely electric.  There were fight breaking out all over the place and I kept knocking over these giant 10 dollar beers.  Our aisle was literally flooded with Bud Light as the main event started.   I even saw some guys smoking crack in the bathroom. 
     
    If I had a little more expendable funds at the moment, I'd be there in a heartbeat for this one. 
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    Some good comments here.  Still thinking this one over, although my initial take is Cotto via decision. 
     
    I was in MSG for the Judah fight and the atmosphere there was absolutely electric.  There were fight breaking out all over the place and I kept knocking over these giant 10 dollar beers.  Our aisle was literally flooded with Bud Light as the main event started.   I even saw some guys smoking crack in the bathroom. 
     
    If I had a little more expendable funds at the moment, I'd be there in a heartbeat for this one. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2009 - 5:07 PM ET #9

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    I agree  Cintron  is washed up, mere fact this is way above his natural weight. He will be seeing the Canvas.
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    I agree  Cintron  is washed up, mere fact this is way above his natural weight. He will be seeing the Canvas.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2009 - 1:26 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Okay first real fight I've been interested in since Hatton/Pacman.

    Let's go!

    Clottey in my eyes is the BET in this match up.

    Clottey after viewing many of his fights, is actually JUST as fast a Cotto HAND speed wise.

    Clottey is a great body puncher mostly with his left hand, he doesn't just land one hard shot. Clottey lands MULTIPLE combos to the body!

    Clottey has an IRON CHIN! Clottey is the MUCH bigger man. Clottey gains on average about 15-20 pounds the DAY OF the fight.

    Clottey is a great inside fighter, doesn't jab as MUCH as he can or should with brawlers.

    Clottey throws ONE punch Cotto CANNOT handle it's the UPPER CUT. Clottey does sometime LUNGE IN which is dangerous but not against Cotto and I will say why in a minute.

    Clottey can throw COMBOS effortlessly, he can thow a right uppercut or LEFT. Cotto WALK into uppercuts and right hands!

    Now all this great stuff about Clottey, Cotto is NO BUM he goes to the body also has good hand speed, and has BETTER foot speed.

    Cotto's main  flaw which can never be fixed is he CANNOT PUNCH unless he's planted. He cannot throw a solid body shot or any punch unless he's planted or coming forward.

    Look at every video of Cotto- you will see every punch he's  landed he was going 100 into the punch. Why do you think Margarito even though he got hit with a lot of shots, COTTO never got to the body.

    After the late 6th round Cotto started eating shots. ANY Forward fighter who doesn't allow Cotto to plant/move forward can HURT HIM BADLY.

    Torres who was a 140 fighter, had Cotto HURT BADLY. Cotto's only way of getting back was guess what .. a LOW blow, TWO of them.

    He doesn't have  a lick of defense, he did the same thing against Zab Juddah when Juddah tagged him with a beautiful upper cut  which he RAN into. 10 seconds later, Juddah is on the canvas because thats the only way Cotto could create distance when he was in trouble.

    Remember Miguel Cotto  was the next coming of Tito Trinidad, once Trinidad got exposed.

    He has been given big paydays and life on a silver platter.

    Joshua Clottey was fighting on the versus network and promised a title shot, he won and  guess what never got a shot.


    Also take a look at Clottey versus Margarito, Margarito was faster and leaner there simply you tube it. By the time he fought Cotto he was a looping slow handed puncher (probably with more wrapping).

    Clottey may NOT seem like a K.O artist, but he dishes out a TON of PAIN. Sometimes you don't need a big punch the the other guy has a weak CHIN and also runs INTO the punches.

    The fact that Cotto will be the MUCH smaller man in the ring, spells DOOM for HIM.

    He can switch to South Paw and throw off Clottey but it won't make a difference, Clottey is a technician who adjusts and he may lose a few rounds from playing defense, but when he catches Cotto with a left hook to the body, and then the upper cut, goodnight Senor Cotto.

    At this insane price you don't even need a prop, take CLOTTEY  to WIN.

    I encourage anyone likes Cotto, to do a write up maybe explaining why they like him and how to defeat Clottey.

    This is not a bash against Cotto he just chose the wrong fighter.He should of re-matched Mosley. At these insane odds, you have to take a gift anytime it's handed to you. These are one of those times.

    Remember Cotto is Naturally a 140 fighter, when questions about him having no defense and questionable chin and stamina, he said it was weight.

    Great you moved up, fought either fighters who were 140 or weak punching fighters. How will you deal with the guy who is coming into the ring who will be 15 pounds naturally HEAVIER THAN YOU?

    JUMP on this NOW as as the fight nears, people will jump on Clottey. Great thing about boxing, the PUBLIC dictates the ODDS!
     


    I agree that Clottey is a real tough test and he is probably just as tough as Margarito. Hes going to come forward and Cotto is going to learn early on that he is not going to stop Clottey. I still see Cotto winning a close but clear decision. But I would not be surprised at all if CLottey pulls it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Okay first real fight I've been interested in since Hatton/Pacman.

    Let's go!

    Clottey in my eyes is the BET in this match up.

    Clottey after viewing many of his fights, is actually JUST as fast a Cotto HAND speed wise.

    Clottey is a great body puncher mostly with his left hand, he doesn't just land one hard shot. Clottey lands MULTIPLE combos to the body!

    Clottey has an IRON CHIN! Clottey is the MUCH bigger man. Clottey gains on average about 15-20 pounds the DAY OF the fight.

    Clottey is a great inside fighter, doesn't jab as MUCH as he can or should with brawlers.

    Clottey throws ONE punch Cotto CANNOT handle it's the UPPER CUT. Clottey does sometime LUNGE IN which is dangerous but not against Cotto and I will say why in a minute.

    Clottey can throw COMBOS effortlessly, he can thow a right uppercut or LEFT. Cotto WALK into uppercuts and right hands!

    Now all this great stuff about Clottey, Cotto is NO BUM he goes to the body also has good hand speed, and has BETTER foot speed.

    Cotto's main  flaw which can never be fixed is he CANNOT PUNCH unless he's planted. He cannot throw a solid body shot or any punch unless he's planted or coming forward.

    Look at every video of Cotto- you will see every punch he's  landed he was going 100 into the punch. Why do you think Margarito even though he got hit with a lot of shots, COTTO never got to the body.

    After the late 6th round Cotto started eating shots. ANY Forward fighter who doesn't allow Cotto to plant/move forward can HURT HIM BADLY.

    Torres who was a 140 fighter, had Cotto HURT BADLY. Cotto's only way of getting back was guess what .. a LOW blow, TWO of them.

    He doesn't have  a lick of defense, he did the same thing against Zab Juddah when Juddah tagged him with a beautiful upper cut  which he RAN into. 10 seconds later, Juddah is on the canvas because thats the only way Cotto could create distance when he was in trouble.

    Remember Miguel Cotto  was the next coming of Tito Trinidad, once Trinidad got exposed.

    He has been given big paydays and life on a silver platter.

    Joshua Clottey was fighting on the versus network and promised a title shot, he won and  guess what never got a shot.


    Also take a look at Clottey versus Margarito, Margarito was faster and leaner there simply you tube it. By the time he fought Cotto he was a looping slow handed puncher (probably with more wrapping).

    Clottey may NOT seem like a K.O artist, but he dishes out a TON of PAIN. Sometimes you don't need a big punch the the other guy has a weak CHIN and also runs INTO the punches.

    The fact that Cotto will be the MUCH smaller man in the ring, spells DOOM for HIM.

    He can switch to South Paw and throw off Clottey but it won't make a difference, Clottey is a technician who adjusts and he may lose a few rounds from playing defense, but when he catches Cotto with a left hook to the body, and then the upper cut, goodnight Senor Cotto.

    At this insane price you don't even need a prop, take CLOTTEY  to WIN.

    I encourage anyone likes Cotto, to do a write up maybe explaining why they like him and how to defeat Clottey.

    This is not a bash against Cotto he just chose the wrong fighter.He should of re-matched Mosley. At these insane odds, you have to take a gift anytime it's handed to you. These are one of those times.

    Remember Cotto is Naturally a 140 fighter, when questions about him having no defense and questionable chin and stamina, he said it was weight.

    Great you moved up, fought either fighters who were 140 or weak punching fighters. How will you deal with the guy who is coming into the ring who will be 15 pounds naturally HEAVIER THAN YOU?

    JUMP on this NOW as as the fight nears, people will jump on Clottey. Great thing about boxing, the PUBLIC dictates the ODDS!
     


    I agree that Clottey is a real tough test and he is probably just as tough as Margarito. Hes going to come forward and Cotto is going to learn early on that he is not going to stop Clottey. I still see Cotto winning a close but clear decision. But I would not be surprised at all if CLottey pulls it off.
     
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    Clottey doesn't throw enough to beat Cotto, or any other top welterweight for that matter. He'll fade late as always after keeping the fight close for 6-8 rounds. Cotto by decision is my play.
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    Clottey doesn't throw enough to beat Cotto, or any other top welterweight for that matter. He'll fade late as always after keeping the fight close for 6-8 rounds. Cotto by decision is my play.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidcole35:

    Clottey doesn't throw enough to beat Cotto, or any other top welterweight for that matter. He'll fade late as always after keeping the fight close for 6-8 rounds. Cotto by decision is my play.

     

    I can't agree more.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidcole35:

    Clottey doesn't throw enough to beat Cotto, or any other top welterweight for that matter. He'll fade late as always after keeping the fight close for 6-8 rounds. Cotto by decision is my play.

     

    I can't agree more.  

     
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    I just keep going back and forth on this one.

    I agree with pretty much everything Nutty wrote, especially regarding Clottey's uppercuts and his ability to do damage. He had Judah and Cotto busted up in no time, and he turned Margarito's ear into a mess in a fight where he couldn't even throw his left with full power.

    As for how Cotto wins, he's got to turn Clottey, flurry, be very sound defensively, and get in enough body shots to slow Clottey down late. Personally, I find the "Clottey fades late" argument a little weak. If I'm worried about anyone's stamina in this one, it's Cotto's.

    The three plays at this point I'm most interested in are Clottey in the 7th through 12th, Clottey +13.5, and maybe a parlay of the over to PBF for a reasonable number. There's still a chance I just enjoy this one also, it should be an incredible fight.
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    I just keep going back and forth on this one.

    I agree with pretty much everything Nutty wrote, especially regarding Clottey's uppercuts and his ability to do damage. He had Judah and Cotto busted up in no time, and he turned Margarito's ear into a mess in a fight where he couldn't even throw his left with full power.

    As for how Cotto wins, he's got to turn Clottey, flurry, be very sound defensively, and get in enough body shots to slow Clottey down late. Personally, I find the "Clottey fades late" argument a little weak. If I'm worried about anyone's stamina in this one, it's Cotto's.

    The three plays at this point I'm most interested in are Clottey in the 7th through 12th, Clottey +13.5, and maybe a parlay of the over to PBF for a reasonable number. There's still a chance I just enjoy this one also, it should be an incredible fight.
     
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    Grr... Cotto should read Corrales...
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    Grr... Cotto should read Corrales...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 12:01 AM ET #15

    How the hell did one judge have it 116-109 for cotto?
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    How the hell did one judge have it 116-109 for cotto?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 12:04 AM ET #16

    111 I mean
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    111 I mean
     
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    ul Nutty. I think you called this fight perfect..Hats off
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    ul Nutty. I think you called this fight perfect..Hats off
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    ul Nutty. I think you called this fight perfect..Hats off


    Thanks  Mack, you eeked out that win hates off to you as you actually collected lol!

    I knew MSG will give the nod to Cotto. The fight seemed odd.. for such a big event they didn't show any stars .. in the crowd... not one.. the ring was so slippery, I know Calderon was supposed to fight before but reminds me of college basketball when they have a wet court knowing a slip can hurt the player.. and just let it go!

    Onto the next big fight :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    ul Nutty. I think you called this fight perfect..Hats off


    Thanks  Mack, you eeked out that win hates off to you as you actually collected lol!

    I knew MSG will give the nod to Cotto. The fight seemed odd.. for such a big event they didn't show any stars .. in the crowd... not one.. the ring was so slippery, I know Calderon was supposed to fight before but reminds me of college basketball when they have a wet court knowing a slip can hurt the player.. and just let it go!

    Onto the next big fight :)


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I think Clottley is the value play, wouldn't put anyone off taking the odds but I think Cotto outboxes him to a 116-112 win


    Hey Mack you predicted a 116-11.. one judge had it 116-11.. were you that one judge they said they didn't know  much about... I didn't know you were in NY and were a judge in the fight lol! :)

    Cheers buddy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I think Clottley is the value play, wouldn't put anyone off taking the odds but I think Cotto outboxes him to a 116-112 win


    Hey Mack you predicted a 116-11.. one judge had it 116-11.. were you that one judge they said they didn't know  much about... I didn't know you were in NY and were a judge in the fight lol! :)

    Cheers buddy!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    At this insane price you don't even need a prop, take CLOTTEY  to WIN.

    I encourage anyone likes Cotto, to do a write up maybe explaining why they like him and how to defeat Clottey.

    This is not a bash against Cotto he just chose the wrong fighter.He should of re-matched Mosley. At these insane odds, you have to take a gift anytime it's handed to you. These are one of those times. 
     

    once again wrong and wrong. Cotto won the fight and yes you did need a prop if you liked Clottey in this fight.

    A lot of people had this right but to state the obvious the only two ways to have bet this fight were Cotto by dec. -105 (Cotto great fighter with the judges and crowd in his pocket, using this as a tune up fight for a mega fight) OR Clottey pts. prop (something like Lederman +4.5 pts. -110. You said it yourself the Rican parade and everything would likely give Cotto a close dec. so why chance it? You know Clotteys got a granite chin so take the points and rest easy when the scorecards are being read.)

    Props to alot of people for jumping on Cotto dec. and not paying the juice of a Cotto win outright. If anyone took the gift of Clottey pts handicap, you just robbed sportsbooks of some easy $$$$. No props to this clown. Just because you write the most words doesn't make you the best capper....because lets face it your always wrong and you've already been called out on it If you want to do some kind of boxing contest where the loser leaves the boards forever, please let me know because I'd love to get you out of here. I just want people to win $$$ and I fear your long writeups get some people to tail you and in reality your the worst capper on the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    At this insane price you don't even need a prop, take CLOTTEY  to WIN.

    I encourage anyone likes Cotto, to do a write up maybe explaining why they like him and how to defeat Clottey.

    This is not a bash against Cotto he just chose the wrong fighter.He should of re-matched Mosley. At these insane odds, you have to take a gift anytime it's handed to you. These are one of those times. 
     

    once again wrong and wrong. Cotto won the fight and yes you did need a prop if you liked Clottey in this fight.

    A lot of people had this right but to state the obvious the only two ways to have bet this fight were Cotto by dec. -105 (Cotto great fighter with the judges and crowd in his pocket, using this as a tune up fight for a mega fight) OR Clottey pts. prop (something like Lederman +4.5 pts. -110. You said it yourself the Rican parade and everything would likely give Cotto a close dec. so why chance it? You know Clotteys got a granite chin so take the points and rest easy when the scorecards are being read.)

    Props to alot of people for jumping on Cotto dec. and not paying the juice of a Cotto win outright. If anyone took the gift of Clottey pts handicap, you just robbed sportsbooks of some easy $$$$. No props to this clown. Just because you write the most words doesn't make you the best capper....because lets face it your always wrong and you've already been called out on it If you want to do some kind of boxing contest where the loser leaves the boards forever, please let me know because I'd love to get you out of here. I just want people to win $$$ and I fear your long writeups get some people to tail you and in reality your the worst capper on the forum.

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2009 - 4:01 PM ET #21

    Interesting point
    It is a free forum and anyone is free to write as they choose
    but just because you love boxing, doesn't make you a great capper
    sometimes the best advice is from the quieter, to the point posters
    in boxing, in particular, there is a tendency to over-analyze
    in the end, the object of this forum is making money
    the only advice i would give is to be careful and try to weed through the threads, and make your own decision
    when track records are not posted, it can become difficult to see who really knows their stuff
    bottom line - it's your money - be cautious with advice
    good luck everybody

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    Interesting point
    It is a free forum and anyone is free to write as they choose
    but just because you love boxing, doesn't make you a great capper
    sometimes the best advice is from the quieter, to the point posters
    in boxing, in particular, there is a tendency to over-analyze
    in the end, the object of this forum is making money
    the only advice i would give is to be careful and try to weed through the threads, and make your own decision
    when track records are not posted, it can become difficult to see who really knows their stuff
    bottom line - it's your money - be cautious with advice
    good luck everybody

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