Don't see many people talking about this fight. (really don't see anyone discussing it) so figured I'd be the first.
What are you guys liking on this fight? Pinnacle has the price at:
Cotto -188 Foreman +169
The price is definitely lower then I expected. Foreman hasn't fought anyone close to the likes of Cotto and it should be a big test for him. With that being said, I don't see how the average bettor doesn't pound Cotto at such a low price. Some will say Cotto is over the hill, but he's only 29.
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Don't see many people talking about this fight. (really don't see anyone discussing it) so figured I'd be the first.
What are you guys liking on this fight? Pinnacle has the price at:
Cotto -188 Foreman +169
The price is definitely lower then I expected. Foreman hasn't fought anyone close to the likes of Cotto and it should be a big test for him. With that being said, I don't see how the average bettor doesn't pound Cotto at such a low price. Some will say Cotto is over the hill, but he's only 29.
We got to talking about this fight in another thread. Here's my thoughts from that thread:
I like Foreman in that fight. He has a few big advantages over Cotto. He's alot taller, he has a longer reach, and he has never been brutalized, as Cotto has been in two of his last four fights (he took alot of damage in the Clottey fight too). Foreman is a skilled boxer. His resume pales in comparison to Miguel's obviously, but he's got some good wins on there. Santos was woefully out of shape, and Yuri did what he was supposed to do (he boxed his ears off for the whole fight and won a wide decision). I fear that we will see a worn out Cotto get played with for 12 rounds (I've always been a Cotto fan). He's a warrior, and Foreman doesn't have any power, but I don't think Miguel will be fast enough to handle Yuri. I see this as a skilled, fresh, bigger man beating an old warrior who isn't what he used to be.
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We got to talking about this fight in another thread. Here's my thoughts from that thread:
I like Foreman in that fight. He has a few big advantages over Cotto. He's alot taller, he has a longer reach, and he has never been brutalized, as Cotto has been in two of his last four fights (he took alot of damage in the Clottey fight too). Foreman is a skilled boxer. His resume pales in comparison to Miguel's obviously, but he's got some good wins on there. Santos was woefully out of shape, and Yuri did what he was supposed to do (he boxed his ears off for the whole fight and won a wide decision). I fear that we will see a worn out Cotto get played with for 12 rounds (I've always been a Cotto fan). He's a warrior, and Foreman doesn't have any power, but I don't think Miguel will be fast enough to handle Yuri. I see this as a skilled, fresh, bigger man beating an old warrior who isn't what he used to be.
We got to talking about this fight in another thread. Here's my thoughts from that thread:
I like Foreman in that fight. He has a few big advantages over Cotto. He's alot taller, he has a longer reach, and he has never been brutalized, as Cotto has been in two of his last four fights (he took alot of damage in the Clottey fight too). Foreman is a skilled boxer. His resume pales in comparison to Miguel's obviously, but he's got some good wins on there. Santos was woefully out of shape, and Yuri did what he was supposed to do (he boxed his ears off for the whole fight and won a wide decision). I fear that we will see a worn out Cotto get played with for 12 rounds (I've always been a Cotto fan). He's a warrior, and Foreman doesn't have any power, but I don't think Miguel will be fast enough to handle Yuri. I see this as a skilled, fresh, bigger man beating an old warrior who isn't what he used to be.
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:
We got to talking about this fight in another thread. Here's my thoughts from that thread:
I like Foreman in that fight. He has a few big advantages over Cotto. He's alot taller, he has a longer reach, and he has never been brutalized, as Cotto has been in two of his last four fights (he took alot of damage in the Clottey fight too). Foreman is a skilled boxer. His resume pales in comparison to Miguel's obviously, but he's got some good wins on there. Santos was woefully out of shape, and Yuri did what he was supposed to do (he boxed his ears off for the whole fight and won a wide decision). I fear that we will see a worn out Cotto get played with for 12 rounds (I've always been a Cotto fan). He's a warrior, and Foreman doesn't have any power, but I don't think Miguel will be fast enough to handle Yuri. I see this as a skilled, fresh, bigger man beating an old warrior who isn't what he used to be.
I don't think the size is going to be much of a problem. Margarito is the same height and had a longer reach than Foreman. Cotto hit him at will with jabs and straight right hands at will until those gloves got hard... If Foreman had a better jab or if he moved forward on offense, I might consider this to be a big advantage for Yuri.
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:
If Cotto is a vicious power puncher at 154, I will probably lose my bet on Foreman. He wasn't at 147, so we will see.
Look at the height discrepancy. Foreman likes to tie up guys on the inside. He'll be able to drape himself all over Cotto, once they get in close.
I don't think the size is going to be much of a problem. Margarito is the same height and had a longer reach than Foreman. Cotto hit him at will with jabs and straight right hands at will until those gloves got hard... If Foreman had a better jab or if he moved forward on offense, I might consider this to be a big advantage for Yuri.
I'm on Cotto here; in my opinion he looks to be in great shape. I love the addition of Emanuel in the corner and Miguel looks as big and strong as I've ever seen him but perhaps I'm biased because I do have a lot of respect for Cotto as a fighter and I've been a big fan ever since the Malignaggi fight a few years back. Plus Yuri has to prove something to me against top level opponents before I consider investing my money in him; if he does it in this spot I will tip my cap.. Will be in attendance Saturday night been looking forward to it for some time..
Cotto has another big NY performance in him. GL guys
Also playing Wolak and Martirosyan on the undercard..
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I'm on Cotto here; in my opinion he looks to be in great shape. I love the addition of Emanuel in the corner and Miguel looks as big and strong as I've ever seen him but perhaps I'm biased because I do have a lot of respect for Cotto as a fighter and I've been a big fan ever since the Malignaggi fight a few years back. Plus Yuri has to prove something to me against top level opponents before I consider investing my money in him; if he does it in this spot I will tip my cap.. Will be in attendance Saturday night been looking forward to it for some time..
Cotto has another big NY performance in him. GL guys
Also playing Wolak and Martirosyan on the undercard..
Cotto has taken somne serious shots though if you look at his recent fights...Pac Man,Clottey and of course that brutal war with the Cheating Bastard Margarito has to take years of your career..
I think Foreman by decision but I wont bet Big
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Cotto has taken somne serious shots though if you look at his recent fights...Pac Man,Clottey and of course that brutal war with the Cheating Bastard Margarito has to take years of your career..
If Cotto is a vicious power puncher at 154, I will probably lose my
bet on Foreman. He wasn't at 147, so we will see.
Look at the height discrepancy. Foreman likes to tie up guys on
the inside. He'll be able to drape himself all over Cotto, once they
get in close.
A couple of observations about this fight.
1. Make no mistake... the crowd will be all Cotto. Most NYers still see Forman as a foreigner.
2. Cotto usually excels against guys who try to hit & run. Think of the Paulie Malignaggi match-up.
3. Cotto weakness has always been when he's forced to fight going backward. This will not be the case in this fight.
4. Moving up in weight is a 2 edged sword. While it can't help his punching power, he won't have to kill himself to make weight. At his stage of the game that isn't a negative. If Foreman could bang I think the weight factor would make much more of a difference.
5. Foreman stepping WAY up in class. He has never been in the ring with a world class fighter such as Cotto. It won't be easy to tie up Cotto inside because Cotto should be punching & not agreeing to clinch.
6. All the intangibles seem to me to favor Cotto.
The only way I can see Foreman upsetting Cotto is if he fights a perfect stick & move strategy for 12 full rounds. If he tries to fight on the inside, he could get seriously hurt. He just doesn't seem to have the experience or punching power to pull that off IMHO. I have seen Foreman fight about 6 times & I can't say I was overly impressed. Just not enough pop in his punches to keep a world class fighter at bay for the distance. While I wouldn't bet the house on Cotto, because there is a remote chance that his last couple of wars took a lot out of him, I still think at these odds it is the way to go. This will be one of the rare times I favor the puncher over the boxer Go with your own gut feeling because your analysis is as legitimate as mine, but I'm betting Cotto.
If Cotto is a vicious power puncher at 154, I will probably lose my
bet on Foreman. He wasn't at 147, so we will see.
Look at the height discrepancy. Foreman likes to tie up guys on
the inside. He'll be able to drape himself all over Cotto, once they
get in close.
A couple of observations about this fight.
1. Make no mistake... the crowd will be all Cotto. Most NYers still see Forman as a foreigner.
2. Cotto usually excels against guys who try to hit & run. Think of the Paulie Malignaggi match-up.
3. Cotto weakness has always been when he's forced to fight going backward. This will not be the case in this fight.
4. Moving up in weight is a 2 edged sword. While it can't help his punching power, he won't have to kill himself to make weight. At his stage of the game that isn't a negative. If Foreman could bang I think the weight factor would make much more of a difference.
5. Foreman stepping WAY up in class. He has never been in the ring with a world class fighter such as Cotto. It won't be easy to tie up Cotto inside because Cotto should be punching & not agreeing to clinch.
6. All the intangibles seem to me to favor Cotto.
The only way I can see Foreman upsetting Cotto is if he fights a perfect stick & move strategy for 12 full rounds. If he tries to fight on the inside, he could get seriously hurt. He just doesn't seem to have the experience or punching power to pull that off IMHO. I have seen Foreman fight about 6 times & I can't say I was overly impressed. Just not enough pop in his punches to keep a world class fighter at bay for the distance. While I wouldn't bet the house on Cotto, because there is a remote chance that his last couple of wars took a lot out of him, I still think at these odds it is the way to go. This will be one of the rare times I favor the puncher over the boxer Go with your own gut feeling because your analysis is as legitimate as mine, but I'm betting Cotto.
If Cotto is a vicious power puncher at 154, I will probably lose my bet on Foreman. He wasn't at 147, so we will see.
Look at the height discrepancy. Foreman likes to tie up guys on the inside. He'll be able to drape himself all over Cotto, once they get in close.
A couple of observations about this fight.
1. Make no mistake... the crowd will be all Cotto. Most NYers still see Forman as a foreigner.
2. Cotto usually excels against guys who try to hit & run. Think of the Paulie Malignaggi match-up.
3. Cotto weakness has always been when he's forced to fight going backward. This will not be the case in this fight.
4. Moving up in weight is a 2 edged sword. While it can't help his punching power, he won't have to kill himself to make weight. At his stage of the game that isn't a negative. If Foreman could bang I think the weight factor would make much more of a difference.
5. Foreman stepping WAY up in class. He has never been in the ring with a world class fighter such as Cotto. It won't be easy to tie up Cotto inside because Cotto should be punching & not agreeing to clinch.
6. All the intangibles seem to me to favor Cotto.
The only way I can see Foreman upsetting Cotto is if he fights a perfect stick & move strategy for 12 full rounds. If he tries to fight on the inside, he could get seriously hurt. He just doesn't seem to have the experience or punching power to pull that off IMHO. I have seen Foreman fight about 6 times & I can't say I was overly impressed. Just not enough pop in his punches to keep a world class fighter at bay for the distance. While I wouldn't bet the house on Cotto, because there is a remote chance that his last couple of wars took a lot out of him, I still think at these odds it is the way to go. This will be one of the rare times I favor the puncher over the boxer Go with your own gut feeling because your analysis is as legitimate as mine, but I'm betting Cotto.
If Cotto is a vicious power puncher at 154, I will probably lose my bet on Foreman. He wasn't at 147, so we will see.
Look at the height discrepancy. Foreman likes to tie up guys on the inside. He'll be able to drape himself all over Cotto, once they get in close.
A couple of observations about this fight.
1. Make no mistake... the crowd will be all Cotto. Most NYers still see Forman as a foreigner.
2. Cotto usually excels against guys who try to hit & run. Think of the Paulie Malignaggi match-up.
3. Cotto weakness has always been when he's forced to fight going backward. This will not be the case in this fight.
4. Moving up in weight is a 2 edged sword. While it can't help his punching power, he won't have to kill himself to make weight. At his stage of the game that isn't a negative. If Foreman could bang I think the weight factor would make much more of a difference.
5. Foreman stepping WAY up in class. He has never been in the ring with a world class fighter such as Cotto. It won't be easy to tie up Cotto inside because Cotto should be punching & not agreeing to clinch.
6. All the intangibles seem to me to favor Cotto.
The only way I can see Foreman upsetting Cotto is if he fights a perfect stick & move strategy for 12 full rounds. If he tries to fight on the inside, he could get seriously hurt. He just doesn't seem to have the experience or punching power to pull that off IMHO. I have seen Foreman fight about 6 times & I can't say I was overly impressed. Just not enough pop in his punches to keep a world class fighter at bay for the distance. While I wouldn't bet the house on Cotto, because there is a remote chance that his last couple of wars took a lot out of him, I still think at these odds it is the way to go. This will be one of the rare times I favor the puncher over the boxer Go with your own gut feeling because your analysis is as legitimate as mine, but I'm betting Cotto.
Guys.... When was the last time there was a Jewish World Champion? If my memory serves me correctly .... It was Mike Rossman. Light-Heavy Weight Champion back in the late 1970's. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Guys.... When was the last time there was a Jewish World Champion? If my memory serves me correctly .... It was Mike Rossman. Light-Heavy Weight Champion back in the late 1970's. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Greene and Vanes is a good under card, if Green can hurt him early.. he has a shot.
Big step up for both guys. Can't get over how bad Martirosyan looked against Ouma. And those other names on his ledger (Lee and Tsurkan) mean nothing to me. It's a toss up fight, IMO, so I'll put a little bit on the big dog.
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Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
Greene and Vanes is a good under card, if Green can hurt him early.. he has a shot.
Big step up for both guys. Can't get over how bad Martirosyan looked against Ouma. And those other names on his ledger (Lee and Tsurkan) mean nothing to me. It's a toss up fight, IMO, so I'll put a little bit on the big dog.
Big step up for both guys. Can't get over how bad Martirosyan looked against Ouma. And those other names on his ledger (Lee and Tsurkan) mean nothing to me. It's a toss up fight, IMO, so I'll put a little bit on the big dog.
Lol, the second biggest name on Yuri's ledger??? Just fucking with you. Good luck tonight buddy.
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Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:
Big step up for both guys. Can't get over how bad Martirosyan looked against Ouma. And those other names on his ledger (Lee and Tsurkan) mean nothing to me. It's a toss up fight, IMO, so I'll put a little bit on the big dog.
Lol, the second biggest name on Yuri's ledger??? Just fucking with you. Good luck tonight buddy.
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