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    Emanuel Steward: Comment of the Year!

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    Posted: May. 6, 2012 - 1:25 AM ET #1

    I watch all the fights in slo-motion as well! Notice Mayweather ability to never blink, even when hit keeping total focus. He's everything coming, combine with ability, technique and dedication... tough man to beat!
    I finally glad to hear a very insightful comment that's not the obvious norm!!! Go ES!
    For those, go to youtube watch Floyd's highlight's and how he watches the entire fighter's body and eye's, and he rarely blinks. It's a great ability as it is human nature to blink when struck.
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    I watch all the fights in slo-motion as well! Notice Mayweather ability to never blink, even when hit keeping total focus. He's everything coming, combine with ability, technique and dedication... tough man to beat!
    I finally glad to hear a very insightful comment that's not the obvious norm!!! Go ES!
    For those, go to youtube watch Floyd's highlight's and how he watches the entire fighter's body and eye's, and he rarely blinks. It's a great ability as it is human nature to blink when struck.
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2012 - 11:11 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by ZOUK:

    I watch all the fights in slo-motion as well! Notice Mayweather ability to never blink, even when hit keeping total focus. He's everything coming, combine with ability, technique and dedication... tough man to beat!
    I finally glad to hear a very insightful comment that's not the obvious norm!!! Go ES!
    For those, go to youtube watch Floyd's highlight's and how he watches the entire fighter's body and eye's, and he rarely blinks. It's a great ability as it is human nature to blink when struck.


    I wonder who Stewart has winning this fight??????

    https://youtu.be/JkqMKGdi4LU

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZOUK:

    I watch all the fights in slo-motion as well! Notice Mayweather ability to never blink, even when hit keeping total focus. He's everything coming, combine with ability, technique and dedication... tough man to beat!
    I finally glad to hear a very insightful comment that's not the obvious norm!!! Go ES!
    For those, go to youtube watch Floyd's highlight's and how he watches the entire fighter's body and eye's, and he rarely blinks. It's a great ability as it is human nature to blink when struck.


    I wonder who Stewart has winning this fight??????

    https://youtu.be/JkqMKGdi4LU

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2012 - 11:12 AM ET #3

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    Posted: May. 11, 2012 - 5:04 AM ET #4

    I think Foreman, Lampley, and Merchant did the broadcast commentary I watched (I easily could be wrong). I think back then Steward sat up top after and gave an after the fight opinion and future fights. I don't remember his exact statements, and whether his live scorecard is the still the same opinion as watching the replay(s).
    The one guys scoring I am usually will to take as accurate is Harold Lederman who scored it 115-111 for Castillo (it's a far stretch for me to put any value on almost every media scorecard, but because he scores fights nearly the same score I have as well as very often; so his scoring runs like mine and with consistency, that is why I would rely a high value on his scorecard of a fight I did not yet watch.) Even close rounds the way he values aggression when it's a factor, or even solid defense that lands less punches than his opponent in a close round; for me he runs parallel scores and in the range over 90% of the time in comparison to my scorecard.[his daughter is an excellent judge].
    Back to Steward and his fight predictions and scorecards run lower in comparison to mine enough times and more so in the analysis prediction area leaving me to much of a gap that if I had not watched a first time broadcasted fighter for example (against a fighter I know) and I had to rely heavily on his input, I'd have to pass on any wager or have a reduced wager on a prop going off the one fighters history.

    I went to your link briefly so I will ask you...
    What did Steward score the fight that night? Did he make any changes to his original scoring after watching replays?
    Sorry as I can't tell if you were serious, semi-opinionated or it was rhetorical. Hook my up with a post reply DeHoyos as I will then be glad to add on if it warrants.

    Quick PS: If someone makes an excellent comment that is accurate, implies great importance and he is the first {that is questionable; but in all the fights of his I have yet to hear the comment he made especially after covering a fighter for more than a decade and is (was for years) considered the pound for pound best fighter (or #2) for many years.} It could have been said on other broadcast networks that use different commentators.
    NOW, even if he thought Mayweather easily won every round in his first fight against Castillo, it in no way diminishes a very accurate fact (that is truthful), but has not been stated or more so stating how important it was and is a huge factor in why someone achieves a very high standard of excellence in an area if expertise. Emanuel Steward could say the world is flat, but that opinion does not diminish a statement of an accurate fact. The fact that he rarely blinks during the action is an opinionated value statement, and to me that shows he has complete focus (it appears) and is a major key why he is great (another opinionated value statement).
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    I think Foreman, Lampley, and Merchant did the broadcast commentary I watched (I easily could be wrong). I think back then Steward sat up top after and gave an after the fight opinion and future fights. I don't remember his exact statements, and whether his live scorecard is the still the same opinion as watching the replay(s).
    The one guys scoring I am usually will to take as accurate is Harold Lederman who scored it 115-111 for Castillo (it's a far stretch for me to put any value on almost every media scorecard, but because he scores fights nearly the same score I have as well as very often; so his scoring runs like mine and with consistency, that is why I would rely a high value on his scorecard of a fight I did not yet watch.) Even close rounds the way he values aggression when it's a factor, or even solid defense that lands less punches than his opponent in a close round; for me he runs parallel scores and in the range over 90% of the time in comparison to my scorecard.[his daughter is an excellent judge].
    Back to Steward and his fight predictions and scorecards run lower in comparison to mine enough times and more so in the analysis prediction area leaving me to much of a gap that if I had not watched a first time broadcasted fighter for example (against a fighter I know) and I had to rely heavily on his input, I'd have to pass on any wager or have a reduced wager on a prop going off the one fighters history.

    I went to your link briefly so I will ask you...
    What did Steward score the fight that night? Did he make any changes to his original scoring after watching replays?
    Sorry as I can't tell if you were serious, semi-opinionated or it was rhetorical. Hook my up with a post reply DeHoyos as I will then be glad to add on if it warrants.

    Quick PS: If someone makes an excellent comment that is accurate, implies great importance and he is the first {that is questionable; but in all the fights of his I have yet to hear the comment he made especially after covering a fighter for more than a decade and is (was for years) considered the pound for pound best fighter (or #2) for many years.} It could have been said on other broadcast networks that use different commentators.
    NOW, even if he thought Mayweather easily won every round in his first fight against Castillo, it in no way diminishes a very accurate fact (that is truthful), but has not been stated or more so stating how important it was and is a huge factor in why someone achieves a very high standard of excellence in an area if expertise. Emanuel Steward could say the world is flat, but that opinion does not diminish a statement of an accurate fact. The fact that he rarely blinks during the action is an opinionated value statement, and to me that shows he has complete focus (it appears) and is a major key why he is great (another opinionated value statement).
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2012 - 5:37 AM ET #5

    Although Steward is considered a great (and one of the best to others) trainer, does not mean he would make a great boxing judge or a great handicapper in predicting fights, but it would be very hard to imagine that a trainer would not be competent and be able to take out the bias for his fighter and score a fight accurately as well as prepare his fighter using the process of analysis to form a strategy to win against the opposition (which is what handicappers do in trying to predict not only the winner, but how the fight would go most likely).
    Emanuel Steward was elected into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and World Boxing Hall of Fame.
    The statement he made was regarding Mayweather's ability to rarely blink during heavy action is elevated because Mayweather is probably the most talked about fighter in the world (Manny Pacquiao as well, but for over a decade Mayweather has been praised and scrutinized more than anyone).

    When in history have you had Heavyweight brother's?
    Both won a Heavyweight Championship belt over a decade ago.
    Both had losses and regained the belts and have showed dominance. Vitali has reigned for 4 years and Wladimir for 6 years and is considered the #1 Heavyweight in the world and for the past 8 years he has been trained by.... Emanuel Steward!!!
    To the real point... when people talk boxing... over 90% of the time it is regarding 2 men... 2 little men named Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. That itself no boxing historian would have believed to be possible as the Heavyweight Division was always considered the public's favorite and always generated MEGA-MILLIONS! It's the two little guys earning $40+ million per fight.

    When you are constantly talked about and watched for over a decade and someone makes an accurate statement that has yet or rarely ever discussed and also considered an opinion but one that holds true and very high value as a key fact why a fighter is focused and elite while also considered the pound for pound best in the world (or sometimes #2) for a decade... comment over!
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    Although Steward is considered a great (and one of the best to others) trainer, does not mean he would make a great boxing judge or a great handicapper in predicting fights, but it would be very hard to imagine that a trainer would not be competent and be able to take out the bias for his fighter and score a fight accurately as well as prepare his fighter using the process of analysis to form a strategy to win against the opposition (which is what handicappers do in trying to predict not only the winner, but how the fight would go most likely).
    Emanuel Steward was elected into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and World Boxing Hall of Fame.
    The statement he made was regarding Mayweather's ability to rarely blink during heavy action is elevated because Mayweather is probably the most talked about fighter in the world (Manny Pacquiao as well, but for over a decade Mayweather has been praised and scrutinized more than anyone).

    When in history have you had Heavyweight brother's?
    Both won a Heavyweight Championship belt over a decade ago.
    Both had losses and regained the belts and have showed dominance. Vitali has reigned for 4 years and Wladimir for 6 years and is considered the #1 Heavyweight in the world and for the past 8 years he has been trained by.... Emanuel Steward!!!
    To the real point... when people talk boxing... over 90% of the time it is regarding 2 men... 2 little men named Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. That itself no boxing historian would have believed to be possible as the Heavyweight Division was always considered the public's favorite and always generated MEGA-MILLIONS! It's the two little guys earning $40+ million per fight.

    When you are constantly talked about and watched for over a decade and someone makes an accurate statement that has yet or rarely ever discussed and also considered an opinion but one that holds true and very high value as a key fact why a fighter is focused and elite while also considered the pound for pound best in the world (or sometimes #2) for a decade... comment over!
     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2012 - 7:34 AM ET #6

    "Larry your thoughts." Lampley

    "Well I don't think there's much controversy.I think most people think that Castillo won." Merchant

    "Yeah but that's the controversy,the other guy got the decision." Lampley

    "But the house fighter got the decision.Uh, Bob Arum the promoter.Went and told Castillo that he will get a rematch because I believe,Arum believes,that Castillo won the fight." Merchant

    "Arum's seen a fight or two.....Among his fans,no doubt sorely disappointed,Jose Luis Castillo is more a household name than ever.Despite,a loss on his record." Lampley

    After the Castillo fight....

    This was after he talked to George.....


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    "Larry your thoughts." Lampley

    "Well I don't think there's much controversy.I think most people think that Castillo won." Merchant

    "Yeah but that's the controversy,the other guy got the decision." Lampley

    "But the house fighter got the decision.Uh, Bob Arum the promoter.Went and told Castillo that he will get a rematch because I believe,Arum believes,that Castillo won the fight." Merchant

    "Arum's seen a fight or two.....Among his fans,no doubt sorely disappointed,Jose Luis Castillo is more a household name than ever.Despite,a loss on his record." Lampley

    After the Castillo fight....

    This was after he talked to George.....


     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2012 - 7:38 AM ET #7

    "Alright back at ringside with George Foreman. and George uh, Floyd Mayweather is a remarkably gifted fighter. Surely there are some out there who are saying right now. More gifted than ever." Lampley

    "He says it was a learning experience, but, do you learn just as much when they call it a win as when they call it a loss?"
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    "Alright back at ringside with George Foreman. and George uh, Floyd Mayweather is a remarkably gifted fighter. Surely there are some out there who are saying right now. More gifted than ever." Lampley

    "He says it was a learning experience, but, do you learn just as much when they call it a win as when they call it a loss?"
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    Posted: May. 11, 2012 - 7:57 AM ET #8

    Official Scorecard:

    111-115 111-115 111-116 UD Mayweather

    Lederman Card:

    115-111 Castillo

    "And the new!!! Light-weight Champion of the World!!!!" Buffer

    "Not...the fight...we saw........Definitely not the fight that this announce team was watching at ringside...Not the first time it's happened." Lampley

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    Official Scorecard:

    111-115 111-115 111-116 UD Mayweather

    Lederman Card:

    115-111 Castillo

    "And the new!!! Light-weight Champion of the World!!!!" Buffer

    "Not...the fight...we saw........Definitely not the fight that this announce team was watching at ringside...Not the first time it's happened." Lampley

     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2012 - 4:44 AM ET #9

    Lederman I have the highest value (when using a 2nd opinion) on his scoring. Not just because I believe he is among the best, but my scorecard most fights are identical in 99% of every fight he scores publicly. He sees it like me, so for fights he covered that I missed, I look up his scorecard if I don't get time to watch replays.
    I also prefer having people who are good at scoring but often see the fight in close rounds different then I do. Example: Aggression is a positive thing in close rounds, but for me it has to prove effective in scoring that round, not a psychological edge making his opposition realize he has to fight every second. That positive strategy reaps rewards, but not round a fighter chased and barely connected clean but got caught flush with accurate counter punches.

    Lampley: After Cotto fought Clottey, I no longer take anything he says into account unless it's a report of information and not his take on the fight. All he did was praise Cotto. Cotto took an accidental headbutt early causing a huge gash over his eye (this less than a year after Margocheeto cut him up bad), and Lampley praised him for deciding to fight on (and rightfully so). Clottey slipped and injured his knee and it took several rounds to adjust as he could barely stand, thus lacking any movement and even the ability to throw a punch with leverage. That itself is much worse than a cut over the eye and not close in comparison. After Cotto made adjustments as best he could he went to war with Cotto. Cotto even stated he would never win a decision against Cotto at MSG. It was a great action fight, but if you weren't watching and just listening to Lampley, you would think both fighters were named Cotto or Cotto was shadow boxing.
    We all have our biases (strong sub-conscious) and allowing us our favorite fighters to cheer. Even announcers that try to stay neutral clearly get excited when their fighter gets into the mix. Lampley is way over the top and I'm curious why (maybe he has been spoken to regarding) they allow him to continue his one-sided ultra biased nightmare of a shot caller (blow by blow announcer).

    I remember 1999 as the boxing was headed downward fast like the market the following year with dot-com company models. Holyfield (purse $20 million) vs Lewis ($10 million) in the first bout. Using forecasting, basically knowing the economy is sinking in 1999 and boxing is on the ropes bleeding. That fight you have a clear winner. You can look at compubox numbers, the relaxed Lewis in command, and so on....  just for the record, compubox was inaccurate for a long time, but for the Lewis vs Holyfield I the punch stats show clearly in the fight the dominance. I will post the stats below:
    3/13/1999 Evander Holyfield vs. Lennox Lewis 1 $1,200,000 PPV
    Holyfield (130/386) 34% | Lewis (348/613) 56%- This shows who was constantly working offensively as Lewis landed just about the same amount punches thrown by Holyfield. Holyfield landed 1/3 of his punches while Lewis was  just over 50%. I am clear that many punches thrown by Lewis (Evander also) were either blocked with his glove, arm and shoulder. Lewis doesn't shield like Holyfield does, as he uses distance and high hands, thus only allowing an opponent to throw a punch... a left hook let's say, is stopped when Lewis puts his arms outward, and with his reach size it works and many times his opponent hits his arm or shoulders. Don't forget the opponent is aware Lewis has hands high and are extended outward, thus allowing no counter punch.
    The verdict.... DRAW, so a rematch can settle it... reality, Holyfield was totally dominated to the point that Lewis coasted and took a break for rounds 9 and 10. Lederman posted 117-111 for Lewis. There remains many fights we can go on about that were close, but being a Heavyweight Championship bout, this was completely criminal. Boxing so desperate reaches so low just shows the level of integrity that fails to exist within sport (there are a few good guys, but in positions of power...integrity was the wrong word as they can't spell it!) After that fight... I wanted to stop watching boxing... but no way. I did give up 99% of Heavyweight Division, as anyone follows my posts knows. I did bet Lewis to KO Tyson, and a few others fights for Heavyweights.
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    Lederman I have the highest value (when using a 2nd opinion) on his scoring. Not just because I believe he is among the best, but my scorecard most fights are identical in 99% of every fight he scores publicly. He sees it like me, so for fights he covered that I missed, I look up his scorecard if I don't get time to watch replays.
    I also prefer having people who are good at scoring but often see the fight in close rounds different then I do. Example: Aggression is a positive thing in close rounds, but for me it has to prove effective in scoring that round, not a psychological edge making his opposition realize he has to fight every second. That positive strategy reaps rewards, but not round a fighter chased and barely connected clean but got caught flush with accurate counter punches.

    Lampley: After Cotto fought Clottey, I no longer take anything he says into account unless it's a report of information and not his take on the fight. All he did was praise Cotto. Cotto took an accidental headbutt early causing a huge gash over his eye (this less than a year after Margocheeto cut him up bad), and Lampley praised him for deciding to fight on (and rightfully so). Clottey slipped and injured his knee and it took several rounds to adjust as he could barely stand, thus lacking any movement and even the ability to throw a punch with leverage. That itself is much worse than a cut over the eye and not close in comparison. After Cotto made adjustments as best he could he went to war with Cotto. Cotto even stated he would never win a decision against Cotto at MSG. It was a great action fight, but if you weren't watching and just listening to Lampley, you would think both fighters were named Cotto or Cotto was shadow boxing.
    We all have our biases (strong sub-conscious) and allowing us our favorite fighters to cheer. Even announcers that try to stay neutral clearly get excited when their fighter gets into the mix. Lampley is way over the top and I'm curious why (maybe he has been spoken to regarding) they allow him to continue his one-sided ultra biased nightmare of a shot caller (blow by blow announcer).

    I remember 1999 as the boxing was headed downward fast like the market the following year with dot-com company models. Holyfield (purse $20 million) vs Lewis ($10 million) in the first bout. Using forecasting, basically knowing the economy is sinking in 1999 and boxing is on the ropes bleeding. That fight you have a clear winner. You can look at compubox numbers, the relaxed Lewis in command, and so on....  just for the record, compubox was inaccurate for a long time, but for the Lewis vs Holyfield I the punch stats show clearly in the fight the dominance. I will post the stats below:
    3/13/1999 Evander Holyfield vs. Lennox Lewis 1 $1,200,000 PPV
    Holyfield (130/386) 34% | Lewis (348/613) 56%- This shows who was constantly working offensively as Lewis landed just about the same amount punches thrown by Holyfield. Holyfield landed 1/3 of his punches while Lewis was  just over 50%. I am clear that many punches thrown by Lewis (Evander also) were either blocked with his glove, arm and shoulder. Lewis doesn't shield like Holyfield does, as he uses distance and high hands, thus only allowing an opponent to throw a punch... a left hook let's say, is stopped when Lewis puts his arms outward, and with his reach size it works and many times his opponent hits his arm or shoulders. Don't forget the opponent is aware Lewis has hands high and are extended outward, thus allowing no counter punch.
    The verdict.... DRAW, so a rematch can settle it... reality, Holyfield was totally dominated to the point that Lewis coasted and took a break for rounds 9 and 10. Lederman posted 117-111 for Lewis. There remains many fights we can go on about that were close, but being a Heavyweight Championship bout, this was completely criminal. Boxing so desperate reaches so low just shows the level of integrity that fails to exist within sport (there are a few good guys, but in positions of power...integrity was the wrong word as they can't spell it!) After that fight... I wanted to stop watching boxing... but no way. I did give up 99% of Heavyweight Division, as anyone follows my posts knows. I did bet Lewis to KO Tyson, and a few others fights for Heavyweights.
     
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    A COMMENT ON COMMENTATORS (HBO)

    Merchant:
    He is average to me, but also irritating. The first time I agreed with a Mayweather explosion was against Merchant for the fact Merchant tries his shifting questions and in a way he often gets a rise out of fighters (also a reason he gets paid to do so, and he is good at that).
    Lampley: ... read above.
    Foreman: He's the man with the GOLDEN GRILL! I like George, but you can't contradict yourself so many times per round per fight that he confuses the listeners and himself. Funny guy though.
    Kellerman: He seemed much more accurate and on top of things when he first started and seemed to lose boxing focus as he was hosting ESPN shows, etc,etc... similar to what thesoulpurpose stated about Manny doing to many other things that you lose focus. My Steward comment about Mayweather's ability to rarely blink during heated action gives him great focus (and displays great focus). Having a balance in life is essential. There remains a line between balance and loss of focus (distractions get to you, even subconsciously). Max was very sharp early on, but tried analyzing on old information and very little work on the latest information.

    the others...

    Emanuel Steward (current): I like his commentary. It's accurate and insghtful.
    Barry Tompkins: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Fran Charles: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Gil Clancy: RIP Gil was solid.
    Harold Lederman (current): His scoring and viewing I hold high.
    Howard Cosell: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Lennox Lewis: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Roy Jones, Jr. (current): His analysis is good, but he needs training on commentating and using different words and rephrasing comments.
    Sugar Ray Leonard: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Al Michaels: NCFN (No Comment For Now)

    You should always have a action (shot caller; blow-by-blow) commentator that is neutral for the most part (not Lampley as his bias takes charge and you never hear the other opponents name).
    He/She would call the action with accuracy and allow breaks for his team of commentators.
    A very sharp expert (current or former boxer, trainer, etc...) who knows the sport, it's history, and well rounded with also the ability and training of using a decent vocabulary in order to express key points to fans.
    Having a natural and trained commentators who knows a little more than the average fan, and can dialogue with the expert. He will think of questions regarding a basic fans thoughts and questions.
    Having a 4th person with in depth knowledge of how the business works, it's corruption, it's bad as well as it's good and what would be best for certain area's in boxing and the entity as well. This is the person they don't want as he would explain how HBO 24/7 sells a fight that was over before it started. These areas he/she has to bite his tongue and sign a type of non-disclosure agreement. He can answer how fighters will take certain fights mainly for money, why fighters don't risk their current status in attempting to fight an opponent who is dangerous and ducked often and wouldn't even generate a big payday, and how the economics call the shots!

    BTW- Regarding the above post about Lewis vs Holyfield I:

    Judge Eugenia Williams, who scored the fight in Holyfield's favour, said she saw Lewis land fewer punches than the champion - something disputed by the official statistics from the fight.

    "I scored by the blows that connected. I don't have the privilege of the boxing stats."


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    A COMMENT ON COMMENTATORS (HBO)

    Merchant:
    He is average to me, but also irritating. The first time I agreed with a Mayweather explosion was against Merchant for the fact Merchant tries his shifting questions and in a way he often gets a rise out of fighters (also a reason he gets paid to do so, and he is good at that).
    Lampley: ... read above.
    Foreman: He's the man with the GOLDEN GRILL! I like George, but you can't contradict yourself so many times per round per fight that he confuses the listeners and himself. Funny guy though.
    Kellerman: He seemed much more accurate and on top of things when he first started and seemed to lose boxing focus as he was hosting ESPN shows, etc,etc... similar to what thesoulpurpose stated about Manny doing to many other things that you lose focus. My Steward comment about Mayweather's ability to rarely blink during heated action gives him great focus (and displays great focus). Having a balance in life is essential. There remains a line between balance and loss of focus (distractions get to you, even subconsciously). Max was very sharp early on, but tried analyzing on old information and very little work on the latest information.

    the others...

    Emanuel Steward (current): I like his commentary. It's accurate and insghtful.
    Barry Tompkins: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Fran Charles: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Gil Clancy: RIP Gil was solid.
    Harold Lederman (current): His scoring and viewing I hold high.
    Howard Cosell: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Lennox Lewis: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Roy Jones, Jr. (current): His analysis is good, but he needs training on commentating and using different words and rephrasing comments.
    Sugar Ray Leonard: NCFN (No Comment For Now)
    Al Michaels: NCFN (No Comment For Now)

    You should always have a action (shot caller; blow-by-blow) commentator that is neutral for the most part (not Lampley as his bias takes charge and you never hear the other opponents name).
    He/She would call the action with accuracy and allow breaks for his team of commentators.
    A very sharp expert (current or former boxer, trainer, etc...) who knows the sport, it's history, and well rounded with also the ability and training of using a decent vocabulary in order to express key points to fans.
    Having a natural and trained commentators who knows a little more than the average fan, and can dialogue with the expert. He will think of questions regarding a basic fans thoughts and questions.
    Having a 4th person with in depth knowledge of how the business works, it's corruption, it's bad as well as it's good and what would be best for certain area's in boxing and the entity as well. This is the person they don't want as he would explain how HBO 24/7 sells a fight that was over before it started. These areas he/she has to bite his tongue and sign a type of non-disclosure agreement. He can answer how fighters will take certain fights mainly for money, why fighters don't risk their current status in attempting to fight an opponent who is dangerous and ducked often and wouldn't even generate a big payday, and how the economics call the shots!

    BTW- Regarding the above post about Lewis vs Holyfield I:

    Judge Eugenia Williams, who scored the fight in Holyfield's favour, said she saw Lewis land fewer punches than the champion - something disputed by the official statistics from the fight.

    "I scored by the blows that connected. I don't have the privilege of the boxing stats."


     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2012 - 5:31 AM ET #11

    Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield I
    it's the BBC report (my source) I posted the above quote from a judge.
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    it's the BBC report (my source) I posted the above quote from a judge.
     
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    Mayweather is not undefeated


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeHoyos:

    Mayweather is not undefeated




    I don't get in to that discussion much. After the above posts I made regarding the Lewis vs Holyfield (first bout), and how the only few rounds Evander won was because it was late in the fight and Lewis more than likely took off a few rounds so he could finish strong. I'm not that strong on the opinion regarding the rounds Evander won as I only watched it Live and one replay only.

    Ricardo "El Finito" (The Finisher) Lopez retired undefeated at 51 Wins (38 KO's), 0 Losses, 1 Draw (early stoppage from accidental headbutt to the score cards). His last bout against Petelo was also the 81 year old Arthur Mecante (RIP 2010 at age of 90).

    Some fighters get involved in fights that are very close, and so close it's hard to score that one punch (not a KO or knock down), but a flush shot that knocks a head back can win the round.
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    Mayweather is not undefeated




    I don't get in to that discussion much. After the above posts I made regarding the Lewis vs Holyfield (first bout), and how the only few rounds Evander won was because it was late in the fight and Lewis more than likely took off a few rounds so he could finish strong. I'm not that strong on the opinion regarding the rounds Evander won as I only watched it Live and one replay only.

    Ricardo "El Finito" (The Finisher) Lopez retired undefeated at 51 Wins (38 KO's), 0 Losses, 1 Draw (early stoppage from accidental headbutt to the score cards). His last bout against Petelo was also the 81 year old Arthur Mecante (RIP 2010 at age of 90).

    Some fighters get involved in fights that are very close, and so close it's hard to score that one punch (not a KO or knock down), but a flush shot that knocks a head back can win the round.
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