Hopkins has no chance at winning - pound dawson

last time he face someone as fast and athletic was taylor....dawson is twice the fighter taylor was.  dawson has a high punch output...bernard won't be able to do much this fight...i see this an easy 8-4 for dawson

pascal is faster and more athletic than dawson, dawson is technically much better than pascal though,   when hopkins fought pascal he was able to capitalize on the mistakes that pascal made and really limit his punch output, dawson will fight a much smarter fight than pascal did, no question, the way to beat hopkins is to out work the old man, it's that simple, pascal was not able to do that because he makes to many mistakes and hopkins would counter, dawson makes much fewer mistakes, so in that case will make it much harder for bernard to find an opening. this is a close fight and I do question dawsons chin, but in the end I see the younger fighter out working as well as out speeding bernard  and winning a clear dec.  I do think bernard will fight on after this one though, a rematch with tarver the most likely.    

but for you to say that one of the smartest fighters of all time, one of the best defensive fighters of all time, (even at thins stage of his career), has no shot is crazy, I think dawson will win it, but bernard deffinitly has a shot, such a big shot that I will not bet on it 

tthis was a ten unit fight for me on dawson because of b-hops age, the fact that this will be his third 12-round fight in less than eleven months and manny's presence in dawson corner. once dawson balied on manny i lost interest.

I like Chad to win this fight by UD, 117-111.

Bhop has bit of more than he can chew as his walk on tune suggests

You guys are so far off ......Hopkins will win this fight easily

Yes he had no chance against winky,trinidad, pavlik, tarver etc lol.Hopkins wont lose here,Dawson just doesnt impress me, hes nothing spectacular,Hopkins wins period

pascal is a better athlete than dawson, technically dawson is superior to pascal,  If you read what I wrote I stated that,   I am picking dawson to win, but to say that he has a great jab is crazy, sonny liston, larry holmes, pernell whitaker, ike quartey, junior jones, willie pep, just to name a few, these fighters had a great jab,  no fighter with a great jab would ever lose to pascal like dawson did. 

Jerseyboy89: I made a previous post, but no offense it's almost a carbon copy. I have to ask you, did you use my post and agree? or was it just a rare co-incidence that 4 basic points were the same?
Posted: 9/26/2011 5:55:32 PM
I think Dawson is to young and athletic (and fundamentally good) and will be to busy for B-Hop. Similar to B-hop vs Taylor except that Dawson is a much better fighter and has good stamina, Hopkins is a pound-for-pound great and already a legend, but this fight I say Dawson wins around 8 or 9 rounds to win a decision.
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1.last time he face someone as fast and athletic was taylor
(mine:Similar to B-hop vs Taylor except that Dawson is a much better fighter)
2.dawson is twice the fighter taylor was
(mine: Similar to B-hop vs Taylor except that Dawson is a much better fighter)
3.dawson has a high punch output
(mine:I think Dawson is to young and athletic (and fundamentally good) and will be to busy for B-Hop)
4.i see this an easy 8-4 for dawson
(mine: Dawson wins around 8 or 9 rounds to win a decision)

I'm glad you did say in the subject that Hopkins has no chance, because that is crazy. What if you get an accidental headbutt on Dawson and he gets cut, etc... many things can go wrong. People under-estimating Hopkins is usually the downfall. Strange you didn't mention Calzaghe because I was going to but kept it brief and to the point. Calzaghe was a fast, smart and somewhat un-orthodoxed fighter that gave fighters trouble. Although it was a split-decision (early knockdown for Hopkins), I felt that although it was close that Calzaghe clearly won.
Overall: I find it very hard to believe you had the same exact points as me, no more or even different. I don't mind if someone says they agree or disagree, but copying another person's post and pawning it as your own is not cool.

This fight has a good chance of being a draw.  One thing is for sure, this fight will 100% go the distance.  No one will knockout BHop and BHop will never knock out anyone ever again.  

b-hop fighting his third 12-round championship fight against world-class competition in ten months at the age of 46.

if b-hop can win this fight, this in of itself is an absolute incredible accomplishemnt.

people do not realize how special b-hop is. when looking at his total career, top ten fighter of all time.

 

SawLo: It is a likely draw scenario, just be cautious the styles could lead to accidental headbutts as Hopkins adjust and creates unique opportunities, some lead to clashing heads. GL

 hopkins needs to fight regular at this point, their is no time to waste, he surely knows it, it will keep him in the gym and sharp, taking long periods off at his age would lead to his downfall,  actually dawson might be his downfall, either way win or lose against dawson, I see a rematch with tarver next.     you mentioned top 10 of all- time, that's tough,   just talking about this era, will history rate him higher than roy jones or floyd mayweather(floyd is not finished yet)  history will no doubt rate him higher than ricardo lopez that is just because the lower weight classes that lopez fought in don't get the attention that they deserve. to me I personally might rate lopez higher, but it's damn close.   take the middle weight greats, I think hopkins could beat most of them, but could he of beaten carlos monzon? I would say no,  hagler? I think hopkins defence would be enough for him to beat hagler,  what about charley burley? the 2 best defensive fighters in middleweight history, too close to call for me right now. how about gene fullmer or lamotta? robinson?  greb? could the master boxer out box tiger flowers?   this is an interesting topic for me as I beleive the middleweight division is the greatest in the history of the sport. no other division has produced so many great fighters.  thinking about starting a thread about hopkins place in history.

To thesoulpurpose: My point exactly when someone stated about Hopkins activity level. He must remain active at that age or if he takes a long break, physics shows he will decline faster and show ring rust and the physical areas he can't bounce back as younger fighters can do. It's interesting about Hopkins, but his place in history is defined. The good thread would be how he matched up against all the greats from middleweight and up. I think Leonard would beat him at 160lbs, because Leonard was smart as well as fast and packed a punch. Hagler, I don't know because no fighter that didn't have world class hand speed has beaten Hopkins (Jones, Taylor, Calzaghe). Strong predictable fighters Hopkins takes apart easily. I think Lamotta would lose, Fullmer would be interesting,  Robinson always interesting, and Greb I think Hopkins would nudge a close fight. Even a thread about middleweight matchups that took place and the ones that never did. I believe that making a thread about Hopkins place in history is stated clearly for those who know boxing. Hopkins is more than a thrwoback where fighters boxed at late ages, he is boxing at a late age and beating premium young prime opponents. People use to knock him early in his career in the 90s saying he was all mouth, but people forget he was like Winky, Paul Willaims, Martinez, etc..., that people ducked because the payday was not as large as others and the risk was very high. Roy Jones waited 2 decades when it was nothing to his place in history and stood barely any chance.

Question thesoulpurpose: I made a comment on this thread and a new one regarding the "SIMILARITY" in analysis of a post I made 6 hours prior to Jerseyboy89 . I still have yet to get an answer or reply from him. Regardless of early disagreements we had or what not, that stuff I expect on forums. When you get what appears to be considered in the legal world "Copyright Infringement", without any reference regarding the initial source, I would take that as an insult. I offered him a chance to state it was an accidental error, a freak occurrence, etc...but I still wait an answer. In your opinion, do you think that it was an anamoly he wrote identical points but used a few different words without every seeing my post? I ask you because I know you are knowldgeable and aren't afraid to speak (post) your opinions!

     Dawson is a basic Jab ans move amatur style. The only guy I ever seen keep up to Hopkins output was Calzaghe who later admitted to cocaine use. Dawson is coming of his last fight vs a weak opponent and Hopkins is coming of a title fight vs a huge puncher.Your weak on homeworked comments have no effect on my heavy wager on Hopkins nor do they have any effect of Hopkins legacy as the next Ali. 

not really sure about your question about jerseyboy89?  unless you guys have some kind of beef then it's most likely accidental, but about jones waiting to fight hopkins, to me hopkins wanted no part of jones, after hopkins won the middleweight tournament in 2001 jones offered hopkins 60-40 split( in jones favour) he did this live on HBO before the glenn kelly fight,   which is fair as jones  already had a win on hopkins, I am the best in the game at reading body language and as big of a fan that I am of bernard, I strongly feel that he did not believe that he could beat jones,  as roy said "60- 40 I'll kick your ass"      but in bernards defence roy was much bigger than him at that time.  just as bernard was bigger and stronger than trinidad. 

     Someone tell this guy Hopkins just kicked the shit out of Jones, Hopkins also destroyed Tarver and johnson who KO"D Jones out. Also the way you are talking like you cashed Hopkins at 4-1 vs Trinadad , SURE!

actually I did pick bernard to beat trinidad, but I got it a just under 3-1, I was at this fight, it was the first big sporting event after september 11 and I was stuck at the boarder for over 3 hours as security was so tight, your talking about it like nobody thought bernard would win this one, most everyone at my gym was on hopkins and we all cashed in,  the jones that lost to these guys was a jones that was a shell of his former self, after he came back down from heavyweight he was not the same fighter at all, if you don't think so than you really have no idea what your talking about.  he went from being untouchable to half a bum in less than a year.

when hopkins beat jones in the rematch it was like when, larry homes beat ali, ali was completely shot by that time.

Dawson by decision
and making a play on it being a DRaw