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    I heard the greatest boxer since Mike Tyson is fighting this saturday...

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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2011 - 10:27 AM ET #1

    KIMBO SLICE!!! 

    https://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201108/youtube-legend-heavyweight-boxings-steroid-free-serum

     

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    KIMBO SLICE!!! 

    https://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201108/youtube-legend-heavyweight-boxings-steroid-free-serum

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2011 - 10:04 PM ET #2

    I am an old school boxing purist, but I am actually interested in this fight, the thing with kimbo is he lacks the speed needed to be competative at the highest level, he will actually have problems beating C level guys and his chin is deffinitly questionable, but he is a promoters dream and if matched correctly he can deffinitly make some good bank, he needs to have a defensive mentality, this shit ain't street fighting, but yet he still has that mentality, working on defence and having a defensive mentality is what he needs to focus on, but in the end I do not think it will happen, this will be a short boxing career for kimbo, but it will be somewhat interesting while it lasts.
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    I am an old school boxing purist, but I am actually interested in this fight, the thing with kimbo is he lacks the speed needed to be competative at the highest level, he will actually have problems beating C level guys and his chin is deffinitly questionable, but he is a promoters dream and if matched correctly he can deffinitly make some good bank, he needs to have a defensive mentality, this shit ain't street fighting, but yet he still has that mentality, working on defence and having a defensive mentality is what he needs to focus on, but in the end I do not think it will happen, this will be a short boxing career for kimbo, but it will be somewhat interesting while it lasts.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2011 - 10:14 PM ET #3

    I agree with you..

    ive made good money betting against kimbo, my book doesnt have the odds out on this fitght though unfortunately.. kimbo couldnt beat any of the even D to E level boxers in his weight class, he has no real boxing technique or experience for that matter..

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    I agree with you..

    ive made good money betting against kimbo, my book doesnt have the odds out on this fitght though unfortunately.. kimbo couldnt beat any of the even D to E level boxers in his weight class, he has no real boxing technique or experience for that matter..

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2011 - 12:17 PM ET #4

    Funny thing is before Kimbo got beat there was rumors him and Tyson would fight, pretty sure Tyson was gonna be an underdog, people he could KO him. I would  have made a big stack on that because I watched his street fights on youtube and knew Tyson would have him out in about 30 sec. Turns out the guy who KO'd did it with one foot off the ground (I think it was the first punch), Tyson at his worst would have still been one punch KO, power is the last thing to go and it would have been with 4 oz gloves, he might have had to retire.

    Sad thing is in the current heavyweight division, if he had a good trainer, he could probably get a title shot (he would have to be carefully matched, of coarse like Tyson coming up or Foreman in his return). I still wouldn't mind watching Tyson destroy him (I wouldn't pay to watch).

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    Funny thing is before Kimbo got beat there was rumors him and Tyson would fight, pretty sure Tyson was gonna be an underdog, people he could KO him. I would  have made a big stack on that because I watched his street fights on youtube and knew Tyson would have him out in about 30 sec. Turns out the guy who KO'd did it with one foot off the ground (I think it was the first punch), Tyson at his worst would have still been one punch KO, power is the last thing to go and it would have been with 4 oz gloves, he might have had to retire.

    Sad thing is in the current heavyweight division, if he had a good trainer, he could probably get a title shot (he would have to be carefully matched, of coarse like Tyson coming up or Foreman in his return). I still wouldn't mind watching Tyson destroy him (I wouldn't pay to watch).

     
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    cd2010: Many years ago it was constantly said Tyson is going to MMA (UFC at the time). The reason were several. Tyson had was losing fan appeal in boxing and watching him fight with 4oz gloves would be exciting. The original problem was the old UFC format was an elimination contest and many fighters had to fight in a manner that also allowed them to limit their injuries. So the gameplan was different. The concern back then for Tyson was that he stood a good chance to break his fist, wrist, forearm , etc and wouldn't be able to continue. Then the format changed to single fight matchups thus more suited for Tyson to engage. Also, for those who don't remember the very first UFC bouts a boxer had enetered and wore a boxing glove (8oz-12oz) on his jabbing hand to protect it. Unfortunately for him he was taken down and submitted very quickly. This was the early days when jiu jitsu (or any wrestling submission fighters) totally dominated. This led to fighters of striking background to learn enough grappling and ground techniques to help defend against submission. They weren't taught how to apply these techniques but more a crash course on what and what not to do in the prone position. I think it was Maurice Smith (kickboxer) who defeated Mark Coleman (wrestler) in a championship match. Now just about every fighter is cross-trained to be able to defend against any style and with time develop the offensive tools of another style.
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    cd2010: Many years ago it was constantly said Tyson is going to MMA (UFC at the time). The reason were several. Tyson had was losing fan appeal in boxing and watching him fight with 4oz gloves would be exciting. The original problem was the old UFC format was an elimination contest and many fighters had to fight in a manner that also allowed them to limit their injuries. So the gameplan was different. The concern back then for Tyson was that he stood a good chance to break his fist, wrist, forearm , etc and wouldn't be able to continue. Then the format changed to single fight matchups thus more suited for Tyson to engage. Also, for those who don't remember the very first UFC bouts a boxer had enetered and wore a boxing glove (8oz-12oz) on his jabbing hand to protect it. Unfortunately for him he was taken down and submitted very quickly. This was the early days when jiu jitsu (or any wrestling submission fighters) totally dominated. This led to fighters of striking background to learn enough grappling and ground techniques to help defend against submission. They weren't taught how to apply these techniques but more a crash course on what and what not to do in the prone position. I think it was Maurice Smith (kickboxer) who defeated Mark Coleman (wrestler) in a championship match. Now just about every fighter is cross-trained to be able to defend against any style and with time develop the offensive tools of another style.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2011 - 7:17 PM ET #6

    Zouk never seen the boxer with the glove (what was he thinking), the old UFC was alot better in those days because each fighter had a different strengths and someone like Tank Abbott could win, so Tyson would have been fine in those days, when he was looking at MMA (in 03?), I remember he was gonna fight Bob Sapp, at that point of his career he was no longer a game fighter, so he would have gotten beat. Now against Kimbo, Tyson wins even if he didn't train, he has been groomed as a champion fighter since 13 and Kimbo is just a big street fighter. All the UFC fighters now are so well rounded in MMA that a boxer who just trains for hand to hand combat with no take-downs, doesn't have a chance ( 2 completely different sports with different stratagies to win), James Toney got killed (They should have matched him different (Ken Shamrock, still would have lost) and his fat ass should have trained better and longer before talking all of that shit), Toney wasn't the best rep. for boxing (40 year old, fat, out of shape, way past prime) so that fight went the way it should have, no one should ever make the change from boxing to MMA, just the same as a NFL player shouldn't try to play basketball. A couple of years ago Floyd Mayweather was talking about fighting in the UFC, he would lose of coarse, but if someone like him or even Tyson trained from childhood they would be succesful because they have all the traits it takes to be great.  

    Back to Kimbo, if he ever fights a top level fighter, I will watch, because I always love a good KO. 

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    Zouk never seen the boxer with the glove (what was he thinking), the old UFC was alot better in those days because each fighter had a different strengths and someone like Tank Abbott could win, so Tyson would have been fine in those days, when he was looking at MMA (in 03?), I remember he was gonna fight Bob Sapp, at that point of his career he was no longer a game fighter, so he would have gotten beat. Now against Kimbo, Tyson wins even if he didn't train, he has been groomed as a champion fighter since 13 and Kimbo is just a big street fighter. All the UFC fighters now are so well rounded in MMA that a boxer who just trains for hand to hand combat with no take-downs, doesn't have a chance ( 2 completely different sports with different stratagies to win), James Toney got killed (They should have matched him different (Ken Shamrock, still would have lost) and his fat ass should have trained better and longer before talking all of that shit), Toney wasn't the best rep. for boxing (40 year old, fat, out of shape, way past prime) so that fight went the way it should have, no one should ever make the change from boxing to MMA, just the same as a NFL player shouldn't try to play basketball. A couple of years ago Floyd Mayweather was talking about fighting in the UFC, he would lose of coarse, but if someone like him or even Tyson trained from childhood they would be succesful because they have all the traits it takes to be great.  

    Back to Kimbo, if he ever fights a top level fighter, I will watch, because I always love a good KO. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 9, 2011 - 8:26 PM ET #7

    The first well known boxer to enter mainstream MMA was Ray "Merciless Mercer, who in 2007 lost to Kimbo Slice by submission in his MMA debut. He then won in 2009 by one punch knock-out in 9 seconds versus Tim Sylvia.
    For those interested in a little MMA history (not 100% certain about all the facts but I'm confident if memory serves corrrect):
    -Art Jimmerson was the fighter who wore one glove had lost to UFC champion Royce Gracie in the initial debut of UFC (UFC 1). -For those not familiar it wasn't until UFC 14 (1997) that gloves were required. They had to be between 4oz-6oz with one inch padding over the knuckles with open fingers to allow fighters to grab.
    -Melton Bowen was the first fighter to wear (UFC 4) what is now the standard MMA type glove.
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    The first well known boxer to enter mainstream MMA was Ray "Merciless Mercer, who in 2007 lost to Kimbo Slice by submission in his MMA debut. He then won in 2009 by one punch knock-out in 9 seconds versus Tim Sylvia.
    For those interested in a little MMA history (not 100% certain about all the facts but I'm confident if memory serves corrrect):
    -Art Jimmerson was the fighter who wore one glove had lost to UFC champion Royce Gracie in the initial debut of UFC (UFC 1). -For those not familiar it wasn't until UFC 14 (1997) that gloves were required. They had to be between 4oz-6oz with one inch padding over the knuckles with open fingers to allow fighters to grab.
    -Melton Bowen was the first fighter to wear (UFC 4) what is now the standard MMA type glove.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2011 - 7:32 PM ET #8

    tommy gunn morrison says ray mercer hits like a woman....

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    tommy gunn morrison says ray mercer hits like a woman....

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2011 - 1:55 PM ET #9

    Morrison was in another world so I guess his mind was al well. I really question the referee stopping it so early (lol), why not wait until Morrison looked hurt or even let him strike him a few times while flat on his back.
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    Morrison was in another world so I guess his mind was al well. I really question the referee stopping it so early (lol), why not wait until Morrison looked hurt or even let him strike him a few times while flat on his back.
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