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    Ortiz-Evans Result

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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 1:06 AM ET #1

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Fighters are not allowed to grab the fence for leverage in mixed martial arts. There have been numerous instances of the rule being flagrantly flouted in recent years, but rarely is the infraction enforced.

    Tito Ortiz was deducted a point for fence-grabbing in the second round of his fight against Rashad Evans, and thus their light heavyweight match was called a 28-28 draw. Ortiz won the first round, Evans the third.

    "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" controlled the pace and initiated the action in the first round. Evans, who had his mouthpiece knocked out during one standup exchange, connected with a right hand that opened a cut under Ortiz's right eye, but otherwise Ortiz controlled the action.

    The second round was also controlled by the former UFC light heavyweight champ, but Ortiz was docked for grabbing the fence as Evans went for a takedown.

    Evans got the better of Ortiz in the third round and finished strong, scoring a big takedown in the match's waning moments and finishing with a flurry on top.

    Evans stayed undefeated at 10-0-1. Ortiz is now 15-5-1. No doubt a rematch is on the way.

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    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Fighters are not allowed to grab the fence for leverage in mixed martial arts. There have been numerous instances of the rule being flagrantly flouted in recent years, but rarely is the infraction enforced.

    Tito Ortiz was deducted a point for fence-grabbing in the second round of his fight against Rashad Evans, and thus their light heavyweight match was called a 28-28 draw. Ortiz won the first round, Evans the third.

    "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" controlled the pace and initiated the action in the first round. Evans, who had his mouthpiece knocked out during one standup exchange, connected with a right hand that opened a cut under Ortiz's right eye, but otherwise Ortiz controlled the action.

    The second round was also controlled by the former UFC light heavyweight champ, but Ortiz was docked for grabbing the fence as Evans went for a takedown.

    Evans got the better of Ortiz in the third round and finished strong, scoring a big takedown in the match's waning moments and finishing with a flurry on top.

    Evans stayed undefeated at 10-0-1. Ortiz is now 15-5-1. No doubt a rematch is on the way.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 1:07 AM ET #2

    I didn't know they could end these matches in a draw, what a shitty results, I'd be pissed if I paid cash to see that let alone laid down the $ for pay per view!!
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    I didn't know they could end these matches in a draw, what a shitty results, I'd be pissed if I paid cash to see that let alone laid down the $ for pay per view!!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 1:08 AM ET #3

    Yeah I saw that, no good at all IMO
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    Yeah I saw that, no good at all IMO
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 2:21 AM ET #4

    bit harsh on Tito, other fighters do it all the time.
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    bit harsh on Tito, other fighters do it all the time.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 2:47 AM ET #5

    I bet on Evans and was happy as hell to get a draw out of it.  Tito won the first 14 minutes and 40 seconds of that fight.
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    I bet on Evans and was happy as hell to get a draw out of it.  Tito won the first 14 minutes and 40 seconds of that fight.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 10:13 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by gogoplata:

    bit harsh on Tito, other fighters do it all the time.
     
    He was warned two or three times. You're only suppose to get one warning!
     
    Tough result, but rules are rules.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogoplata:

    bit harsh on Tito, other fighters do it all the time.
     
    He was warned two or three times. You're only suppose to get one warning!
     
    Tough result, but rules are rules.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2007 - 9:59 PM ET #7

    Tito got deducted a point for grabbing the fence and Evans scored with a take down. IMO Evans won the 2nd & 3rd round and Evans was the winner.


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    Tito got deducted a point for grabbing the fence and Evans scored with a take down. IMO Evans won the 2nd & 3rd round and Evans was the winner.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2007 - 12:06 AM ET #8

    STILL THINK IT WAS A BOGUS CALL.
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    STILL THINK IT WAS A BOGUS CALL.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

    Tito got deducted a point for grabbing the fence and Evans scored with a take down. IMO Evans won the 2nd & 3rd round and Evans was the winner.


     
    Yeah... get new glasses.
     
    Tito controlled the fight till about 1.5 minutes into the 3rd quarter. Rashad once again showed he is unable to "control and finish" a fight. He finally matched up with someone worth a damn, an aged, and weather worn Tito took Evans down. Tito got docked a point and it was a draw. Sad.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

    Tito got deducted a point for grabbing the fence and Evans scored with a take down. IMO Evans won the 2nd & 3rd round and Evans was the winner.


     
    Yeah... get new glasses.
     
    Tito controlled the fight till about 1.5 minutes into the 3rd quarter. Rashad once again showed he is unable to "control and finish" a fight. He finally matched up with someone worth a damn, an aged, and weather worn Tito took Evans down. Tito got docked a point and it was a draw. Sad.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

    Tito got deducted a point for grabbing the fence and Evans scored with a take down. IMO Evans won the 2nd & 3rd round and Evans was the winner.
     
    How can you win a fight when you only throw about 10 punches the entire fight?  And 4 of them came at the and of round 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

    Tito got deducted a point for grabbing the fence and Evans scored with a take down. IMO Evans won the 2nd & 3rd round and Evans was the winner.
     
    How can you win a fight when you only throw about 10 punches the entire fight?  And 4 of them came at the and of round 3.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 9, 2007 - 9:14 PM ET #11

    Ksoze & mutosufan I'm just calling it as I see it.
     
    Tito admitted after the fight that " If you're not cheating your not trying " c'mon what kind of crap is that. He was warned multiple times about holding on to the fence.
     
    mutosufan FYI the number of punches thrown in a MMA match does'nt really matter. You can throw 1 punch the entire match and catch your opponent in a submission hold to tap him out. If it were a boxing match then it would be a different story on the number of punches thrown.
     
    All in all if Tito was so great and dominant why did'nt he finish off Evans?
     
    Don't get mad about what I said it was just my opinion
     
    I'm a big BJ Penn fan, but just because I know him I still did not agree to the response after the Pulver fight about going to BJpenn.com to find out how he feels.
     
    Aloha and
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    Ksoze & mutosufan I'm just calling it as I see it.
     
    Tito admitted after the fight that " If you're not cheating your not trying " c'mon what kind of crap is that. He was warned multiple times about holding on to the fence.
     
    mutosufan FYI the number of punches thrown in a MMA match does'nt really matter. You can throw 1 punch the entire match and catch your opponent in a submission hold to tap him out. If it were a boxing match then it would be a different story on the number of punches thrown.
     
    All in all if Tito was so great and dominant why did'nt he finish off Evans?
     
    Don't get mad about what I said it was just my opinion
     
    I'm a big BJ Penn fan, but just because I know him I still did not agree to the response after the Pulver fight about going to BJpenn.com to find out how he feels.
     
    Aloha and
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2007 - 12:14 AM ET #12

     "If you're not cheating your not trying"
     
    THAT IS A RETARDED STATEMENT,
     
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     "If you're not cheating your not trying"
     
    THAT IS A RETARDED STATEMENT,
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedview:

     "If you're not cheating your not trying"
     
    THAT IS A RETARDED STATEMENT,
     


    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedview:

     "If you're not cheating your not trying"
     
    THAT IS A RETARDED STATEMENT,
     


    Thank you
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

     
    mutosufan FYI the number of punches thrown in a MMA match does'nt really matter. You can throw 1 punch the entire match and catch your opponent in a submission hold to tap him out. If it were a boxing match then it would be a different story on the number of punches thrown.
     
    All in all if Tito was so great and dominant why did'nt he finish off Evans?
     
    And that is basically what we had, a boxing match with a little wrestling sprinkled in.  And what does a submission or knockout have to do with anything talked about?  Where there a knockout or a sub?  Nope.  Evans wanted nothing to d o with Tito!   Tito won every facet of the game.
     
    Aggressiveness - Tito
    Pace - Tito
    Action - Tito
    More takedowns - Tito
    More pucnches - Tito
    More kicks - Tito
    More landed - Tito
     
    Again, Evans wanted nothing to do with him.  For someone that ran his mouth as much as he did, you would think he would have come to fight.  Tito runs his mouth, but at least he came to fight.  Why didnt Tito finish him?  You cant finish what you cant grab.  (Though I wished he would have done his ground game a little differently after the first takedown did not result in any GnP)
     
    Similar to the Frankin/Okami fight.  Okami pretty much ran from Franklin for 2 rounds and then decided to engage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddyhpd:

     
    mutosufan FYI the number of punches thrown in a MMA match does'nt really matter. You can throw 1 punch the entire match and catch your opponent in a submission hold to tap him out. If it were a boxing match then it would be a different story on the number of punches thrown.
     
    All in all if Tito was so great and dominant why did'nt he finish off Evans?
     
    And that is basically what we had, a boxing match with a little wrestling sprinkled in.  And what does a submission or knockout have to do with anything talked about?  Where there a knockout or a sub?  Nope.  Evans wanted nothing to d o with Tito!   Tito won every facet of the game.
     
    Aggressiveness - Tito
    Pace - Tito
    Action - Tito
    More takedowns - Tito
    More pucnches - Tito
    More kicks - Tito
    More landed - Tito
     
    Again, Evans wanted nothing to do with him.  For someone that ran his mouth as much as he did, you would think he would have come to fight.  Tito runs his mouth, but at least he came to fight.  Why didnt Tito finish him?  You cant finish what you cant grab.  (Though I wished he would have done his ground game a little differently after the first takedown did not result in any GnP)
     
    Similar to the Frankin/Okami fight.  Okami pretty much ran from Franklin for 2 rounds and then decided to engage.
     
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    Bigdaddy: If Baby Jay doesn't want to thank five dozen sponsers, and talk about some meaningless replay that Joe will ask him to comment on, then he doesn't have to. He's not paid to talk into a microphone that Joe Rogan holds, he is paid to fight. This isn't the Miss America pageant.

    Muto: UFC's scoring is not PrideFc's [deceased] scoring. It is judged round-by-round. Ortiz did not win the third round. Not even the biggest nutthugger on the planet would claim that.

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    Bigdaddy: If Baby Jay doesn't want to thank five dozen sponsers, and talk about some meaningless replay that Joe will ask him to comment on, then he doesn't have to. He's not paid to talk into a microphone that Joe Rogan holds, he is paid to fight. This isn't the Miss America pageant.

    Muto: UFC's scoring is not PrideFc's [deceased] scoring. It is judged round-by-round. Ortiz did not win the third round. Not even the biggest nutthugger on the planet would claim that.

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    That is my point.  I dont like the round scoring.  I PRAY they bring in the -1 or forfeiture of a % of their purse for inactivity in the octagon.  Evans would have had 2-3 inactivity cards.  Evans won the final 30 seconds of the 3rd round.  I would hardly call it a decisive 3rd round.  If it wasnt for the final 3 seconds that would have gone to Tito too.
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    That is my point.  I dont like the round scoring.  I PRAY they bring in the -1 or forfeiture of a % of their purse for inactivity in the octagon.  Evans would have had 2-3 inactivity cards.  Evans won the final 30 seconds of the 3rd round.  I would hardly call it a decisive 3rd round.  If it wasnt for the final 3 seconds that would have gone to Tito too.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaSigChi4:

    Muto: UFC's scoring is not PrideFc's [deceased] scoring. It is judged round-by-round. Ortiz did not win the third round. Not even the biggest nutthugger on the planet would claim that.

     
    Not that I think he won the round... but it was NOT a CLEAR 3rd round. Evans seperated himself JUST enough in the third with a FEW crisp shots and a take down. NOTHING SPECIAL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaSigChi4:

    Muto: UFC's scoring is not PrideFc's [deceased] scoring. It is judged round-by-round. Ortiz did not win the third round. Not even the biggest nutthugger on the planet would claim that.

     
    Not that I think he won the round... but it was NOT a CLEAR 3rd round. Evans seperated himself JUST enough in the third with a FEW crisp shots and a take down. NOTHING SPECIAL!
     
     
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    Agreed. But if Evans didn't do anything special, neither did melonhead. He did absolutely nothing but receive shots to the head in the third round. And get taken down.

    So how do you justify giving the round to Ortiz?

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    Agreed. But if Evans didn't do anything special, neither did melonhead. He did absolutely nothing but receive shots to the head in the third round. And get taken down.

    So how do you justify giving the round to Ortiz?

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