The fight went as I thought. Under another thread I posted...
Quote Originally Posted by BenFraLinz:
As far as my view on the fight, it's difficult to place a large wager (total rounds) on what seems to be some major X factors in the fight.
Factors:
- Can Forbes's hand speed throw off Oscar enough so he won't get hit a lot?
- Can Forbes's handle a barrage of power shots by Oscar?
- Can Forbes fight into the later rounds effectively (especially the championship rounds)?
- If Oscar wins the first 8 rounds decisively, without hurting Forbes badly, will he just stay the course, or will he try to KO him?
Everyone assumes Oscar will try for a KO, because in winning a UD, it will cause less interest in the Mayweather rematch. Oscar and his camp must see something in Forbes he feels he can exploit easily and impressively, but can he capitalize. I felt uneasy betting so much on Mayweather vs De La Hoya only cause of it was Golden Boy Promotions, and if De La Hoya won, it would have made the largest rematch payday in fight history. So you could say I was worried about some corruption, not De La Hoya actually winning.
Forbes's hand speed was enough.
Forbes was able to handle a barrage of punches.
Forbes did have good stamina in the later rounds.
Oscar was decisively ahead after 8 rounds, and he still attacked aggessively.
Also, I did mention Oscar would constantly use the left body shot early and late, as he did effectively, but Forbes is a tough guy and is use to sparring with stronger guys.
Good fight overall, Forbes stood his ground and took and gave his best.
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The fight went as I thought. Under another thread I posted...
Quote Originally Posted by BenFraLinz:
As far as my view on the fight, it's difficult to place a large wager (total rounds) on what seems to be some major X factors in the fight.
Factors:
- Can Forbes's hand speed throw off Oscar enough so he won't get hit a lot?
- Can Forbes's handle a barrage of power shots by Oscar?
- Can Forbes fight into the later rounds effectively (especially the championship rounds)?
- If Oscar wins the first 8 rounds decisively, without hurting Forbes badly, will he just stay the course, or will he try to KO him?
Everyone assumes Oscar will try for a KO, because in winning a UD, it will cause less interest in the Mayweather rematch. Oscar and his camp must see something in Forbes he feels he can exploit easily and impressively, but can he capitalize. I felt uneasy betting so much on Mayweather vs De La Hoya only cause of it was Golden Boy Promotions, and if De La Hoya won, it would have made the largest rematch payday in fight history. So you could say I was worried about some corruption, not De La Hoya actually winning.
Forbes's hand speed was enough.
Forbes was able to handle a barrage of punches.
Forbes did have good stamina in the later rounds.
Oscar was decisively ahead after 8 rounds, and he still attacked aggessively.
Also, I did mention Oscar would constantly use the left body shot early and late, as he did effectively, but Forbes is a tough guy and is use to sparring with stronger guys.
Good fight overall, Forbes stood his ground and took and gave his best.
I thought Oscar fought a good fight. Forbes is just a tough opponent to hurt. He has quick hands, crouches (making him a smaller target), has a good chin, is a decent defensive fighter, and has good stamina. Most people would expect Oscar to run over a guy who doesn't have big punching power, but he hits hard enough to puff up your face (like Oscars). The total on rounds clearly showed that Oscar to win by decision was the best bet.
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I thought Oscar fought a good fight. Forbes is just a tough opponent to hurt. He has quick hands, crouches (making him a smaller target), has a good chin, is a decent defensive fighter, and has good stamina. Most people would expect Oscar to run over a guy who doesn't have big punching power, but he hits hard enough to puff up your face (like Oscars). The total on rounds clearly showed that Oscar to win by decision was the best bet.
And another PBF/DLH fight means lots and lots and lots of money.
Even if Forbes had somehow done enough to win tonight, he wouldn't have been allowed to get the decision, cause then boxing would lose too much money with no DLH/PBF match in September.
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Maybe so, Devils, but money talks.
And another PBF/DLH fight means lots and lots and lots of money.
Even if Forbes had somehow done enough to win tonight, he wouldn't have been allowed to get the decision, cause then boxing would lose too much money with no DLH/PBF match in September.
For years I thought Floyd has been tops pound-for-pound. After his TKO on Hatton, that dealed his legacy. It's hard for the average person to take a liking to his flamboyant personality, with his boasting. I let his ring work do the talking, and he has walked his talk.
NJDevils: Who do you consider top fighters? Cotto, Pacquiao, Calzaghe, Juan Manuel & Rafael Márquez, Pavlik, Vázquez...?
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For years I thought Floyd has been tops pound-for-pound. After his TKO on Hatton, that dealed his legacy. It's hard for the average person to take a liking to his flamboyant personality, with his boasting. I let his ring work do the talking, and he has walked his talk.
NJDevils: Who do you consider top fighters? Cotto, Pacquiao, Calzaghe, Juan Manuel & Rafael Márquez, Pavlik, Vázquez...?
Margarito will beat Cotto...Cotto gets hit too much
top guys according to me...now Floyd is up there but i dont like that he avoids everyone,, i think Hatton is very very overrated and thats why Floyd fought him. $ + no risk
Pavlik, Calzaghe, the 4 you mentioned Vazquez,Manny, the Marquez brothers. I like David Haye (maybe not a P4P guy yet but he could be a force.
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Margarito will beat Cotto...Cotto gets hit too much
top guys according to me...now Floyd is up there but i dont like that he avoids everyone,, i think Hatton is very very overrated and thats why Floyd fought him. $ + no risk
Pavlik, Calzaghe, the 4 you mentioned Vazquez,Manny, the Marquez brothers. I like David Haye (maybe not a P4P guy yet but he could be a force.
Cotto's best value fight came against Quintana. Quintana at the time was 23-0, so the best odds I came across were -240. If you followed both fighters, you had to assume that Cotto's strength would be a huge factor in the fight. I was in Vegas during the fight, and because it was held in Atlantic City, many vegas sportsbooks weren't taking action on the fight, and if they did it was set at a maximum. I had to use online sportbooks and underground books to get as much as I could on it.
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Cotto's best value fight came against Quintana. Quintana at the time was 23-0, so the best odds I came across were -240. If you followed both fighters, you had to assume that Cotto's strength would be a huge factor in the fight. I was in Vegas during the fight, and because it was held in Atlantic City, many vegas sportsbooks weren't taking action on the fight, and if they did it was set at a maximum. I had to use online sportbooks and underground books to get as much as I could on it.
Thanks for the welcome NJDevils. I posted March Madness and a few comments on fight threads (MMA as well). Unfortunately, I didn't remember to post the Calzaghe by Decision, and it would have been to late at 30 minutes before the fight.
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Thanks for the welcome NJDevils. I posted March Madness and a few comments on fight threads (MMA as well). Unfortunately, I didn't remember to post the Calzaghe by Decision, and it would have been to late at 30 minutes before the fight.
I must agree NJDevils, Cotto does get hit often. The odds being so favorable for Cotto fans, I'm going to have to watch the films again on both fighters and then wait to see the weigh-in (the usual process), then decide if, who and what I'll wager on.
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I must agree NJDevils, Cotto does get hit often. The odds being so favorable for Cotto fans, I'm going to have to watch the films again on both fighters and then wait to see the weigh-in (the usual process), then decide if, who and what I'll wager on.
If fight were this coming weekend, I'd lay the -200 on Cotto vs Margarito, but -200 isn't worth the wait until July.
I look for this line to rise, though, as it opened at -170ish.
I say it closes right around -230 due to hedging off the open.
Yeah, I think Cotto is the side here also, but I will be on him via decision when those props hit. His ability to box has improved a lot of the last few years, he still gets hit, but Margarito has the power that is of the wear you down variety instead of the one-shot type. I honestly don't see a stoppage here from either side unless it is via cut. Marg has an excellent beard and like I said I don't think he can stop Cotto.
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Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:
If fight were this coming weekend, I'd lay the -200 on Cotto vs Margarito, but -200 isn't worth the wait until July.
I look for this line to rise, though, as it opened at -170ish.
I say it closes right around -230 due to hedging off the open.
Yeah, I think Cotto is the side here also, but I will be on him via decision when those props hit. His ability to box has improved a lot of the last few years, he still gets hit, but Margarito has the power that is of the wear you down variety instead of the one-shot type. I honestly don't see a stoppage here from either side unless it is via cut. Marg has an excellent beard and like I said I don't think he can stop Cotto.
And another PBF/DLH fight means lots and lots and lots of money.
Even if Forbes had somehow done enough to win tonight, he wouldn't have been allowed to get the decision, cause then boxing would lose too much money with no DLH/PBF match in September.
Yeah, you may not see quite as many buys, but even if it were to do half of the 2.4 million buys this time it would still be a huge money-maker. Money is the only reason it is happening.
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Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:
Maybe so, Devils, but money talks.
And another PBF/DLH fight means lots and lots and lots of money.
Even if Forbes had somehow done enough to win tonight, he wouldn't have been allowed to get the decision, cause then boxing would lose too much money with no DLH/PBF match in September.
Yeah, you may not see quite as many buys, but even if it were to do half of the 2.4 million buys this time it would still be a huge money-maker. Money is the only reason it is happening.
Good job Ben on DLH by decision. If I had to choose a prop that would have been it, I thought with all the under money it may had a chance to hit the + side but it never did.
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Good job Ben on DLH by decision. If I had to choose a prop that would have been it, I thought with all the under money it may had a chance to hit the + side but it never did.
DLH beats floyd in the rematch in my opinion. I thought of floyd as P4P the best and probably still do, but still would like to see him fight against Cotto and even DLH again. Close decision against DLH the first time around, and I actually think DLH looked pretty good against a slick guy tonight. Let his punches go and against Floyd, just pure activity should let him win in my opinion.
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DLH beats floyd in the rematch in my opinion. I thought of floyd as P4P the best and probably still do, but still would like to see him fight against Cotto and even DLH again. Close decision against DLH the first time around, and I actually think DLH looked pretty good against a slick guy tonight. Let his punches go and against Floyd, just pure activity should let him win in my opinion.
I can't see much changing from the first fight. De La Hoya did look better tonite against Forbes, but that's why De La Hoya took that fight, because of Forbes's lack of power. That allows De La Hoya to open up more, against Floyd, I think it will be harder this time out for Oscar. Mayweather knows what he is dealing with having fought Oscar. There isn't going to be anything drastic that changes the fight. Mayweather said after Hatton he was taking a two year layoff after that fight, but he knows the money won't be there with Oscar in two years. Mayweather wouldn't fight Oscar if he felt he couldn't get the same results. Besides being a great fighter, to have a long successful career, you have to know who and how often to fight. Mayweather does that well.
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I can't see much changing from the first fight. De La Hoya did look better tonite against Forbes, but that's why De La Hoya took that fight, because of Forbes's lack of power. That allows De La Hoya to open up more, against Floyd, I think it will be harder this time out for Oscar. Mayweather knows what he is dealing with having fought Oscar. There isn't going to be anything drastic that changes the fight. Mayweather said after Hatton he was taking a two year layoff after that fight, but he knows the money won't be there with Oscar in two years. Mayweather wouldn't fight Oscar if he felt he couldn't get the same results. Besides being a great fighter, to have a long successful career, you have to know who and how often to fight. Mayweather does that well.
What's more than likely going to keep me away from backing Floyd in the
rematch is that if the fight is close at all, which it should be, there
are another hundred million reasons why Oscar gets the nod. I hate
conspiracy theories, but this is just common sense. Hardcore fans have
already made it clear that this rematch doesn't matter much to them,
yet GBP is going ahead with it and pawning it off on the casual fan. I
can see them doing the exact same thing with a rubbermatch after Oscar
"wins" a split decision. It's all about extremely high reward, and
extremely low risk.
What surprised me about Forbes was how easily he was able to hit Oscar
with clean shots early in the fight. If Floyd took that approach
instead of his usual defensive one, he'd win the rematch going
away. But at 147, he's been so reluctant to move forward. You
can't tell me that Steve Forbes is a more explosive athlete than Floyd
Mayweather Jr.
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What's more than likely going to keep me away from backing Floyd in the
rematch is that if the fight is close at all, which it should be, there
are another hundred million reasons why Oscar gets the nod. I hate
conspiracy theories, but this is just common sense. Hardcore fans have
already made it clear that this rematch doesn't matter much to them,
yet GBP is going ahead with it and pawning it off on the casual fan. I
can see them doing the exact same thing with a rubbermatch after Oscar
"wins" a split decision. It's all about extremely high reward, and
extremely low risk.
What surprised me about Forbes was how easily he was able to hit Oscar
with clean shots early in the fight. If Floyd took that approach
instead of his usual defensive one, he'd win the rematch going
away. But at 147, he's been so reluctant to move forward. You
can't tell me that Steve Forbes is a more explosive athlete than Floyd
Mayweather Jr.
The only judge who had it for Oscar was geriatric. It wasn't close. It may have looked close, but most of those punches bounced off Floyd's gloves and shoulder.
Now DLH is fighting at Floyd's weight? The ring is going to be regular sized? DLH won't be able to dictate glove type...
This is one of the easiest picks in a long time at these sort of odds. This is a huge PPV, with almost 1 year in promotion. There's not going to be a robbery. The Vegas "nod" factor is a non-factor, he beat him the first time in Vegas and it was promoted by DLH.
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The only judge who had it for Oscar was geriatric. It wasn't close. It may have looked close, but most of those punches bounced off Floyd's gloves and shoulder.
Now DLH is fighting at Floyd's weight? The ring is going to be regular sized? DLH won't be able to dictate glove type...
This is one of the easiest picks in a long time at these sort of odds. This is a huge PPV, with almost 1 year in promotion. There's not going to be a robbery. The Vegas "nod" factor is a non-factor, he beat him the first time in Vegas and it was promoted by DLH.
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good luck this one shouldnt be much of a fight.... 
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