...I can't honestly say that I've seen Oral fight before, but I have seen the name. It's round 3 and Oral is hemming Abraham up. I'm thinking maybe Frochy is having a go at reviewing this one as well. After all, it was Abraham's last fight before the Super Six tournament. I'm seeing openings and start to wonder if Cobra Cakes could capitalize on the same shots that Oral is bouncing of Abraham's mug. I'm starting to have a bit of doubt about Abraham.
As the fight progress', I start to recognize that Oral's punching skill and combination punching are light years better than Froch's. In all fairness, the Oral fight was at 160 and usually the smaller guys are quicker. Which could be part of Abraham's reasons for moving up as, well-placed hand speed is his cryptonite. Dirrell proved that. Round 5 is a different story. Abraham adapts and starts doing serious damage with hard left hook, right hand combo's. The landscape changes and its all down hill for Oral.
Regardless of weight class, there is a serious gap in skill and hand speed as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a big believer in Froch's power. Oral's defense is much better as well. Dirrell's defense is elite level and Abraham did land some key shots late in the fight. Dirrell's pace, skill, hand speed, and defense are what stymied the smurf king for most of the fight. None of which are usable weapons for Froch. I have always believed Cobra's shoddy defense will be his undoing come fight night. I feel more sure of it now than before. Silly I was for doubting honest Abe.
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...I can't honestly say that I've seen Oral fight before, but I have seen the name. It's round 3 and Oral is hemming Abraham up. I'm thinking maybe Frochy is having a go at reviewing this one as well. After all, it was Abraham's last fight before the Super Six tournament. I'm seeing openings and start to wonder if Cobra Cakes could capitalize on the same shots that Oral is bouncing of Abraham's mug. I'm starting to have a bit of doubt about Abraham.
As the fight progress', I start to recognize that Oral's punching skill and combination punching are light years better than Froch's. In all fairness, the Oral fight was at 160 and usually the smaller guys are quicker. Which could be part of Abraham's reasons for moving up as, well-placed hand speed is his cryptonite. Dirrell proved that. Round 5 is a different story. Abraham adapts and starts doing serious damage with hard left hook, right hand combo's. The landscape changes and its all down hill for Oral.
Regardless of weight class, there is a serious gap in skill and hand speed as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a big believer in Froch's power. Oral's defense is much better as well. Dirrell's defense is elite level and Abraham did land some key shots late in the fight. Dirrell's pace, skill, hand speed, and defense are what stymied the smurf king for most of the fight. None of which are usable weapons for Froch. I have always believed Cobra's shoddy defense will be his undoing come fight night. I feel more sure of it now than before. Silly I was for doubting honest Abe.
I think Froch has serious power on some of his punches. It just depends on how much leverage he commits. Froch's pretty good at throwing "bullshit punches" and then surprising you with the hard stuff. As far as defense, I think Froch has the IQ to be slick, but he's simply not fast enough to be as cute as he wants to be. I said in another post back during the Frock-Kessler buildup that Froch would be pound for pound material if he were faster/quicker. I still believe that way but I feel Abraham will KO him. I can see Abraham baiting Froch into throwing "around the guard". Abraham will let this happen for 2 rounds and then in the 3rd he'll time Froch with hard punches. Abraham is usually slow for the first 4 rounds, but after the Dirrell lesson he'll most likely start fighting in the 3rd as opposed to the 5th. I beleive to beat Abraham you have to do what Dirrell did, unfortunately Froch simply doesn't have Dirrell's speed. Abraham has deceptively fast hands and I highly favor his spped and power vs Froch.
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I think Froch has serious power on some of his punches. It just depends on how much leverage he commits. Froch's pretty good at throwing "bullshit punches" and then surprising you with the hard stuff. As far as defense, I think Froch has the IQ to be slick, but he's simply not fast enough to be as cute as he wants to be. I said in another post back during the Frock-Kessler buildup that Froch would be pound for pound material if he were faster/quicker. I still believe that way but I feel Abraham will KO him. I can see Abraham baiting Froch into throwing "around the guard". Abraham will let this happen for 2 rounds and then in the 3rd he'll time Froch with hard punches. Abraham is usually slow for the first 4 rounds, but after the Dirrell lesson he'll most likely start fighting in the 3rd as opposed to the 5th. I beleive to beat Abraham you have to do what Dirrell did, unfortunately Froch simply doesn't have Dirrell's speed. Abraham has deceptively fast hands and I highly favor his spped and power vs Froch.
Another element about the upcoming fight I'd like to cover (no pun intended) is mental aspect. Both fighters were defeated in their last fight.
Some believe Abraham was on his way to ending the fight. I disagree, but just play along for a second. I'm very sure that Abraham believes he was getting Dirrell where he wanted him as he was having success late in the fight. There may be a small part of him that believes otherwise, as in the classic plot device of angel & demon seated on conflicted shoulders. But in a boxers mind, which is almost always equipped with a strong ego and lack of fear, temptation is usually victorious.
Abraham doesn't feel like he lost because it ended premature via dq in ko fashion. He believes his mistake lost him the fight, and what Dirrell had done up until that point doesn't compute. Regardless, the fight ended with Abraham standing and Dirrell sleeping...or acting if thats your preference.
Froch on the other hand, has been hanging by a thread since the jump. The razors edge has defined his progress. Taylor only needed :15 to stay on his feet and get a win. Froch got lucky. Dirrell; I mean, to say that Froch really believes he won that fight would be an insult to Carl's intellect. Froch is no idiot, when he's alone he knows he had the ref on his side, bias venue, and had to resort to dirty tact to not get outclassed in front of his mates. He knows if that fight was on solid ground that he would have lost. He got beat.
Then its off to Kessler. Froch has been quoted as to knowing the advantages of being on home court, hence his whining about the fight not being held in Germany. He has also been quoted that he believes he was robbed in Denmark. What else is he going to say? He may have even believed it right after the fight, but I do believe that once he got a copy of the fight, watched it in its entirety, that he knows dam well he really did lose.
Basically, I'm saying Abraham believes he was on his way to winning the only fight he legitimately lost in the tournament, his error. Whereas Froch, without a dash of home cooking and a sprig of luck, has basically been losing for the duration. One could say this fight is redemption time, that everything is on the line and the cobra will rise to the occasion and strike down all that oppose him. But in my honest opinion, those are well wishers and his chances of victory are about the same as Crockett surviving the Alamo.
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Another element about the upcoming fight I'd like to cover (no pun intended) is mental aspect. Both fighters were defeated in their last fight.
Some believe Abraham was on his way to ending the fight. I disagree, but just play along for a second. I'm very sure that Abraham believes he was getting Dirrell where he wanted him as he was having success late in the fight. There may be a small part of him that believes otherwise, as in the classic plot device of angel & demon seated on conflicted shoulders. But in a boxers mind, which is almost always equipped with a strong ego and lack of fear, temptation is usually victorious.
Abraham doesn't feel like he lost because it ended premature via dq in ko fashion. He believes his mistake lost him the fight, and what Dirrell had done up until that point doesn't compute. Regardless, the fight ended with Abraham standing and Dirrell sleeping...or acting if thats your preference.
Froch on the other hand, has been hanging by a thread since the jump. The razors edge has defined his progress. Taylor only needed :15 to stay on his feet and get a win. Froch got lucky. Dirrell; I mean, to say that Froch really believes he won that fight would be an insult to Carl's intellect. Froch is no idiot, when he's alone he knows he had the ref on his side, bias venue, and had to resort to dirty tact to not get outclassed in front of his mates. He knows if that fight was on solid ground that he would have lost. He got beat.
Then its off to Kessler. Froch has been quoted as to knowing the advantages of being on home court, hence his whining about the fight not being held in Germany. He has also been quoted that he believes he was robbed in Denmark. What else is he going to say? He may have even believed it right after the fight, but I do believe that once he got a copy of the fight, watched it in its entirety, that he knows dam well he really did lose.
Basically, I'm saying Abraham believes he was on his way to winning the only fight he legitimately lost in the tournament, his error. Whereas Froch, without a dash of home cooking and a sprig of luck, has basically been losing for the duration. One could say this fight is redemption time, that everything is on the line and the cobra will rise to the occasion and strike down all that oppose him. But in my honest opinion, those are well wishers and his chances of victory are about the same as Crockett surviving the Alamo.
On Showtime's 360 (I forgot which episode), Abraham asks his trainer how many rounds were lost pror to the DQ. His trainer responds "about 7" and the look on Abraham's face is "EEK". So I think Abraham knows he needs to step up his game and not let so many rounds get away.
Dirrell himself has given a prediction for this fight and he picked Abraham by brutal early round KO. He said Abraham has deceptive speed and quick fists with power in both hands.
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Great point McNulty.
On Showtime's 360 (I forgot which episode), Abraham asks his trainer how many rounds were lost pror to the DQ. His trainer responds "about 7" and the look on Abraham's face is "EEK". So I think Abraham knows he needs to step up his game and not let so many rounds get away.
Dirrell himself has given a prediction for this fight and he picked Abraham by brutal early round KO. He said Abraham has deceptive speed and quick fists with power in both hands.
McNulty firstly good thread. Secondly, alot of what will happen here will come down to what the situation is going in. Right now Froch and Abraham are due to fight last. Showtime and the promoters have made a mistake here. Let me explain.
If the semi's were right now, we would have Ward v Froch, Abraham v Kessler. Dirrell needs to beat Ward to advance and Green needs to KO Kessler within 3 rounds to advance. I am ruling Green out (I never ruled him in). So what should have happened here is the Kessler v Ward and Froch v Abraham should have been the first 2 fights up with Dirrell v Ward the last fight (with everything on the line for Dirrell) . I am amazed the promoters haven't coped onto this.
We are probably now going to be in the situation where Froch and AA are through before they fight and this will dramatically change how the fight is fought. Why go to war if you don't have too? This is a very tough spot for a fighter to be in. You were a boxer as was I, McNulty. Now you can't fight half pace, this I know but if I am in their shoes I would be looking to engage as least as possible.
I have a HUGE feeling that there is going to be alot of controversy here final stage. I have never bet a draw before but that's exactly what I am playing with Ward and Dirrell (just in case). I would hate to bet big on Ward and a dodgy draw gets called, so I will definitely be hedging on the draw here. Also, as you all know Dirrell and Ward are having problems agreeing to fight and nothing has been signed yet. Expect an agreement on Vegas and a change of date to after Froch v Abraham. A draw with suit both guys perfect and I bet the odds for a draw will be alot lower for this fight then others.
Now if Froch and Abraham box with everything on the line (loser could go out), then I LOVE AURTHUR in this spot. I expect Froch to have suucess early doors. His looping Hooks will work a treat early doors against that guard of Abraham. Those will be his tactics. Box on the outside, double jab, looping hooks to the head and the body. It won't last though. Eventually Aurthur will let his hands go and when he catches Froch flush, the war in the trenches will begin. Froch is simply not good or intelligent enough boxer to enough to keep Abraham off him. I mean Dirrell is as slick as they get and you saw Abraham getting to him from round 9 onwards. AA will get to him ALOT sooner.
Froch is so easy to hit and the crowd is going to be pro Abraham so when he does hits they will be making noise. If Froch does not win this very decisively he will not win on the cards in Monaco. I think judging wise AA still has a huge advantage here. Froch once said he would never box east of Nottingham. He may regret not sticking to his guns.
Add to the fact he is a new father, lost his belt and aura of an undefeated fighter I think AA is a cracking bet at near evens. Sadly if there is nothing on the line, I can't play big......
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McNulty firstly good thread. Secondly, alot of what will happen here will come down to what the situation is going in. Right now Froch and Abraham are due to fight last. Showtime and the promoters have made a mistake here. Let me explain.
If the semi's were right now, we would have Ward v Froch, Abraham v Kessler. Dirrell needs to beat Ward to advance and Green needs to KO Kessler within 3 rounds to advance. I am ruling Green out (I never ruled him in). So what should have happened here is the Kessler v Ward and Froch v Abraham should have been the first 2 fights up with Dirrell v Ward the last fight (with everything on the line for Dirrell) . I am amazed the promoters haven't coped onto this.
We are probably now going to be in the situation where Froch and AA are through before they fight and this will dramatically change how the fight is fought. Why go to war if you don't have too? This is a very tough spot for a fighter to be in. You were a boxer as was I, McNulty. Now you can't fight half pace, this I know but if I am in their shoes I would be looking to engage as least as possible.
I have a HUGE feeling that there is going to be alot of controversy here final stage. I have never bet a draw before but that's exactly what I am playing with Ward and Dirrell (just in case). I would hate to bet big on Ward and a dodgy draw gets called, so I will definitely be hedging on the draw here. Also, as you all know Dirrell and Ward are having problems agreeing to fight and nothing has been signed yet. Expect an agreement on Vegas and a change of date to after Froch v Abraham. A draw with suit both guys perfect and I bet the odds for a draw will be alot lower for this fight then others.
Now if Froch and Abraham box with everything on the line (loser could go out), then I LOVE AURTHUR in this spot. I expect Froch to have suucess early doors. His looping Hooks will work a treat early doors against that guard of Abraham. Those will be his tactics. Box on the outside, double jab, looping hooks to the head and the body. It won't last though. Eventually Aurthur will let his hands go and when he catches Froch flush, the war in the trenches will begin. Froch is simply not good or intelligent enough boxer to enough to keep Abraham off him. I mean Dirrell is as slick as they get and you saw Abraham getting to him from round 9 onwards. AA will get to him ALOT sooner.
Froch is so easy to hit and the crowd is going to be pro Abraham so when he does hits they will be making noise. If Froch does not win this very decisively he will not win on the cards in Monaco. I think judging wise AA still has a huge advantage here. Froch once said he would never box east of Nottingham. He may regret not sticking to his guns.
Add to the fact he is a new father, lost his belt and aura of an undefeated fighter I think AA is a cracking bet at near evens. Sadly if there is nothing on the line, I can't play big......
Nulty I am starting to like Authur more and more here. I need to check the rules here, but do seeds 1 and 2 get home advantage for the semi? If thats the case a AA win would probably give him home advantage and he would have more to fight for then Froch who realistically cant get a home semi (considering his head to head with Kessler). Number of things can happen before fight night but as of now I am going to unload on AA come fight night..
When you consider the intangibles a near pick em could be the value bet of this year
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Nulty I am starting to like Authur more and more here. I need to check the rules here, but do seeds 1 and 2 get home advantage for the semi? If thats the case a AA win would probably give him home advantage and he would have more to fight for then Froch who realistically cant get a home semi (considering his head to head with Kessler). Number of things can happen before fight night but as of now I am going to unload on AA come fight night..
When you consider the intangibles a near pick em could be the value bet of this year
Dirrell/Ward is getting postponed, and I've read (via Steve Kim) that there are rumblings that these two may decide they don't want to fight each other at all. The scheduled date of the fight is five weeks from today, and they never named a site. These two may throw a monkey wrench in this whole tourney.
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Dirrell/Ward is getting postponed, and I've read (via Steve Kim) that there are rumblings that these two may decide they don't want to fight each other at all. The scheduled date of the fight is five weeks from today, and they never named a site. These two may throw a monkey wrench in this whole tourney.
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