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    the best exp.of floyd v conor ive found

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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2017 - 12:50 AM ET #1

    very casual fight fan, but found this article interesting. after watching the odds slide after the first leg of the insult fight. MG is much easier to like for many as hes funnier and seems more geniune vs the woman beating, stupid money, irs owing floyd. 

    It seems everyones infatuated with how MG could easily win a MMA fight cause he has a larger skill set. MG even boasts how many styles he can fight. large disadvantage that hype has portrayed as the opposite. anyways heres the link (few months old) and the last P I found most relevant to wagering

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/3/7/14830070/fight-science-floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-dont-believe-the-hype-ufc-boxing

    We hoped the urge to pit mixed martial artists against boxers died in 1993 when Royce Graciequickly tapped Art Jimmerson in UFC 1, or 7 years ago when Randy Couture dismantled James Toney in the first round. The same will happen pitting the elite boxer against the mixed martial arts in boxing. Comparing boxing with martial arts because there is punching in both is like comparing basketball with football because both sports pass the ball.

    And for those who want to see these fights just to find out who is the “baddest man on the planet,” the conclusion is foregone. As professionals involved in the sport of MMA, we suppose we are biased. But in our opinion (well, we feel there is no doubt), boxers can no longer hold this title. It now belongs to the mixed martial artist.

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    very casual fight fan, but found this article interesting. after watching the odds slide after the first leg of the insult fight. MG is much easier to like for many as hes funnier and seems more geniune vs the woman beating, stupid money, irs owing floyd. 

    It seems everyones infatuated with how MG could easily win a MMA fight cause he has a larger skill set. MG even boasts how many styles he can fight. large disadvantage that hype has portrayed as the opposite. anyways heres the link (few months old) and the last P I found most relevant to wagering

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/3/7/14830070/fight-science-floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-dont-believe-the-hype-ufc-boxing

    We hoped the urge to pit mixed martial artists against boxers died in 1993 when Royce Graciequickly tapped Art Jimmerson in UFC 1, or 7 years ago when Randy Couture dismantled James Toney in the first round. The same will happen pitting the elite boxer against the mixed martial arts in boxing. Comparing boxing with martial arts because there is punching in both is like comparing basketball with football because both sports pass the ball.

    And for those who want to see these fights just to find out who is the “baddest man on the planet,” the conclusion is foregone. As professionals involved in the sport of MMA, we suppose we are biased. But in our opinion (well, we feel there is no doubt), boxers can no longer hold this title. It now belongs to the mixed martial artist.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2017 - 10:31 AM ET #2

    Read another article don't have the link tho thought it was interesting. Basically mg will only have a chance if he can dirty box and get away with it. Grind down money using knees elbows and feet while in the clinch. No doubt he's not above it but can he do it without gettin god touched up to much closing distance and avoid excessive penalties? I don't think hunker so personally.

    Really hoping to see -450 or 400 on money and I will absolutely buy. Worst case can hedge out when odds fly back up on fight night....
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    Read another article don't have the link tho thought it was interesting. Basically mg will only have a chance if he can dirty box and get away with it. Grind down money using knees elbows and feet while in the clinch. No doubt he's not above it but can he do it without gettin god touched up to much closing distance and avoid excessive penalties? I don't think hunker so personally.

    Really hoping to see -450 or 400 on money and I will absolutely buy. Worst case can hedge out when odds fly back up on fight night....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2017 - 10:33 AM ET #3

    Comparing Boxing to MMA is like comparing Football to Rugby

    ......baseball to cricket

    ........ ice hockey to field hockey

    .........apples to oranges

    .........porn stars to nuns

    Sure there are similarities but they are totally different animals.   Jenna Jameson is a women and so was Mother Teresa, but the similarities end there.

    McGregor has zero chance against any boxer of consequence.  He couldn't beat the 100th best 154 pounder.  For anyone to think he has any chance whatsoever vs Floyd is insanity. 

    This is James Toney vs Randy Couture all over again....


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    Comparing Boxing to MMA is like comparing Football to Rugby

    ......baseball to cricket

    ........ ice hockey to field hockey

    .........apples to oranges

    .........porn stars to nuns

    Sure there are similarities but they are totally different animals.   Jenna Jameson is a women and so was Mother Teresa, but the similarities end there.

    McGregor has zero chance against any boxer of consequence.  He couldn't beat the 100th best 154 pounder.  For anyone to think he has any chance whatsoever vs Floyd is insanity. 

    This is James Toney vs Randy Couture all over again....


     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2017 - 5:51 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by SamLangford:

    Comparing Boxing to MMA is like comparing Football to Rugby

    ......baseball to cricket

    ........ ice hockey to field hockey

    .........apples to oranges

    .........porn stars to nuns

    Sure there are similarities but they are totally different animals.   Jenna Jameson is a women and so was Mother Teresa, but the similarities end there.

    McGregor has zero chance against any boxer of consequence.  He couldn't beat the 100th best 154 pounder.  For anyone to think he has any chance whatsoever vs Floyd is insanity. 

    This is James Toney vs Randy Couture all over again....


    i hear ya and appreciate the input. however i think youre overstating the comparison a bit. they are both top of their own game fighters. obv each one has pros and cons, but i do believe the literal 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousands of hours money has put into perfecting boxing is a much bigger advantage, than a few inches and a decade of life.
    also giving me pause is that so many ppl think there is no way CG gives him a fight, tho its a bit ofset by the fact that pub joe loves CG and hates floyd (only reason i believe such low odds and value in this bet)

    you think TKO/KO at around the half the price is a smarter wager? cant really see CG dancing around and taking this slow for an hour. something will have to give....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamLangford:

    Comparing Boxing to MMA is like comparing Football to Rugby

    ......baseball to cricket

    ........ ice hockey to field hockey

    .........apples to oranges

    .........porn stars to nuns

    Sure there are similarities but they are totally different animals.   Jenna Jameson is a women and so was Mother Teresa, but the similarities end there.

    McGregor has zero chance against any boxer of consequence.  He couldn't beat the 100th best 154 pounder.  For anyone to think he has any chance whatsoever vs Floyd is insanity. 

    This is James Toney vs Randy Couture all over again....


    i hear ya and appreciate the input. however i think youre overstating the comparison a bit. they are both top of their own game fighters. obv each one has pros and cons, but i do believe the literal 10's of thousand if not 100's of thousands of hours money has put into perfecting boxing is a much bigger advantage, than a few inches and a decade of life.
    also giving me pause is that so many ppl think there is no way CG gives him a fight, tho its a bit ofset by the fact that pub joe loves CG and hates floyd (only reason i believe such low odds and value in this bet)

    you think TKO/KO at around the half the price is a smarter wager? cant really see CG dancing around and taking this slow for an hour. something will have to give....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2017 - 8:27 PM ET #5

    Imo it will take a minor miracle for McGregor to last the full 12 rounds. As far as winning the fight or this being competitive. Well, Jenna Jameson had a better chance at being a nun in the vatican than McGregor has of winning this fight. Zero chance.
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    Imo it will take a minor miracle for McGregor to last the full 12 rounds. As far as winning the fight or this being competitive. Well, Jenna Jameson had a better chance at being a nun in the vatican than McGregor has of winning this fight. Zero chance.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2017 - 8:31 PM ET #6

    Floyd by stoppage is by far the likeliest result. Any other result will be shocking. Could even see McGregor purposely get disqualified after getting embarrassed for a few rounds. But he'll be filthy rich and that's all that matters to him. This is a circus not a fight. Just a money grab for both fighters and a easy payday for Floyd. Everyone wins except the people who will waste $100 to watch this shitshow
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    Floyd by stoppage is by far the likeliest result. Any other result will be shocking. Could even see McGregor purposely get disqualified after getting embarrassed for a few rounds. But he'll be filthy rich and that's all that matters to him. This is a circus not a fight. Just a money grab for both fighters and a easy payday for Floyd. Everyone wins except the people who will waste $100 to watch this shitshow
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2017 - 6:09 PM ET #7

    if conor throws an elbow, knee, takedown or any crazy mma move he wont get paid. its in the contract. def see him getting frusterated and taking risks. think stoppage is more likley too, that way CG can whine about this not being a real sport and try for a rematch
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    if conor throws an elbow, knee, takedown or any crazy mma move he wont get paid. its in the contract. def see him getting frusterated and taking risks. think stoppage is more likley too, that way CG can whine about this not being a real sport and try for a rematch
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstergrit:

    if conor throws an elbow, knee, takedown or any crazy mma move he wont get paid. its in the contract. def see him getting frusterated and taking risks. think stoppage is more likley too, that way CG can whine about this not being a real sport and try for a rematch


    Ofcourse Connor will not throw MMA elbows but he will tie Floyd up and rough him up with boxing elbows and headbutts ala Horn/Pacman fight.  
    Mayweather bet 450000 on
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    if conor throws an elbow, knee, takedown or any crazy mma move he wont get paid. its in the contract. def see him getting frusterated and taking risks. think stoppage is more likley too, that way CG can whine about this not being a real sport and try for a rematch


    Ofcourse Connor will not throw MMA elbows but he will tie Floyd up and rough him up with boxing elbows and headbutts ala Horn/Pacman fight.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:



    Ofcourse Connor will not throw MMA elbows but he will tie Floyd up and rough him up with boxing elbows and headbutts ala Horn/Pacman fight.  
    this is the only way he can win right? grind him down in the clinch, hurting him and getting under his skin. regardless dont see this one going the distance but what do i know
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    Ofcourse Connor will not throw MMA elbows but he will tie Floyd up and rough him up with boxing elbows and headbutts ala Horn/Pacman fight.  
    this is the only way he can win right? grind him down in the clinch, hurting him and getting under his skin. regardless dont see this one going the distance but what do i know
     
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    Posted: Jul. 15, 2017 - 10:21 PM ET #10

    I think a better comparison is a world class decathlete going against Usain Bolt in a 100 meters race. The decathlon has a multiple events that the athletes must compete in with one being the 100 meters. So the decathlete may be good in the 100 meters when he is competing in the decathlon but when he goes against someone like Usain Bolt he is going to get smoked. 

    Connor has a puncher's chance. That's it. I agree that it should be Couture vs Tony all over again. 
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    I think a better comparison is a world class decathlete going against Usain Bolt in a 100 meters race. The decathlon has a multiple events that the athletes must compete in with one being the 100 meters. So the decathlete may be good in the 100 meters when he is competing in the decathlon but when he goes against someone like Usain Bolt he is going to get smoked. 

    Connor has a puncher's chance. That's it. I agree that it should be Couture vs Tony all over again. 
     
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    i'll take the 28 year old decathlete vs the 40 year old usian bolt at +500 odds

    thanks
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    i'll take the 28 year old decathlete vs the 40 year old usian bolt at +500 odds

    thanks
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2017 - 12:29 AM ET #12

    Mcgregor hasn't gone pass 5 rounds....

    This will be a wear down match up and mayweather will win in the end.

    Don't waste your money on the plumber mma
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    Mcgregor hasn't gone pass 5 rounds....

    This will be a wear down match up and mayweather will win in the end.

    Don't waste your money on the plumber mma
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2017 - 2:25 AM ET #13

    Those boxers were poor examples for boxing in the UFC both fighters were stationary fighters toney was 40+ pounds over his weight with zero mama training.how about this example of a world champion boxer using foot speed and boxing skills to defeat a world champion supposedly unbeatable Top UFC star.anybody remember Rouseys beat down by holly holm.Forget the kick that finished her it was boxing skills that beat her.Her camp worked endlessly on defending the take down vs the best ground fighter and made it look easy.
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    Those boxers were poor examples for boxing in the UFC both fighters were stationary fighters toney was 40+ pounds over his weight with zero mama training.how about this example of a world champion boxer using foot speed and boxing skills to defeat a world champion supposedly unbeatable Top UFC star.anybody remember Rouseys beat down by holly holm.Forget the kick that finished her it was boxing skills that beat her.Her camp worked endlessly on defending the take down vs the best ground fighter and made it look easy.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2017 - 2:47 PM ET #14

    think the decathlon athlete analogy is best here. 
    We have a specialized fighter going against a compound fighter. Of course he has a punchers chance like any sporting match (otherwise no one would pay to watch) but I believe even at -700 we have +ev with money. The convo of the the gate for money and the aspect of punchers chance due to his youth and size is creating value on money imo. Don't have a huge roll and don't wanna risk it all to win a couple hundo so not sure what to do. May take money by stoppage and may just bet live if Connor lasts a few rds and gets a few weak hits that drop the line. I'm a dog
    Player so eating this chalk goes against my nature. 

    Thanks much for all the responses folks. Let's get paid one way or another
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    think the decathlon athlete analogy is best here. 
    We have a specialized fighter going against a compound fighter. Of course he has a punchers chance like any sporting match (otherwise no one would pay to watch) but I believe even at -700 we have +ev with money. The convo of the the gate for money and the aspect of punchers chance due to his youth and size is creating value on money imo. Don't have a huge roll and don't wanna risk it all to win a couple hundo so not sure what to do. May take money by stoppage and may just bet live if Connor lasts a few rds and gets a few weak hits that drop the line. I'm a dog
    Player so eating this chalk goes against my nature. 

    Thanks much for all the responses folks. Let's get paid one way or another
     
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    The problem with -700 and +500 is you're scre wed

    Think of it-$7 to get $1.  Or $1 to get $5.

    So what happens to the $2?  The books just pocket it.  Lucky for them right?  And one big thanks and maybe a comp for you.

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    Think of it-$7 to get $1.  Or $1 to get $5.

    So what happens to the $2?  The books just pocket it.  Lucky for them right?  And one big thanks and maybe a comp for you.

     
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    ^its true the vig is huge on those large mls, doesnt mean value cant be found.
    after much deliberation ive come to this conclusion: conor wont win any round on the card +225.
    bet it at +250 and it instantly went down lol, wonder if its just on mine? hard to know, tried to put down 300, maybe that has something to do with it too? books are crazy things.
    gonna put at least another bet if it stays above +200.

    my thinking is this: i see a good chance of exp playing such a roll its completely boring until conor tries to rush and gets tko'd. floyd is -135 to win inside distance, i like  the extra 2$ to say he's solidly beat in that time.

    BOL folks and again thx for all the input. hope its a good fight
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    ^its true the vig is huge on those large mls, doesnt mean value cant be found.
    after much deliberation ive come to this conclusion: conor wont win any round on the card +225.
    bet it at +250 and it instantly went down lol, wonder if its just on mine? hard to know, tried to put down 300, maybe that has something to do with it too? books are crazy things.
    gonna put at least another bet if it stays above +200.

    my thinking is this: i see a good chance of exp playing such a roll its completely boring until conor tries to rush and gets tko'd. floyd is -135 to win inside distance, i like  the extra 2$ to say he's solidly beat in that time.

    BOL folks and again thx for all the input. hope its a good fight
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 8:45 PM ET #17

    this fight wont go past 7. its like ronda rousey getting in the ring with leyla ali . im just glad i can thank the bookies with this once in alifetime gift. of course mcgregor will land punches but he will get picked off at will. people think floyd has no power? conors power in boxing is just average.
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 8:56 PM ET #18

    If mc wins it sets up a billion dollar payday for mayweather, 

    Rematch and then tiebreaker.



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    Rematch and then tiebreaker.



     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2017 - 9:31 PM ET #19

    Always let Langford ride the hog.

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