KWIK-E-MART posed the question to me asking who I thought was the best pound-for-pound fighters in the past decade. I figured starting from the year 2000 till today. The latter part of the list will be of greater debate and controversy. For me topping the list you have Mayweather and Pacquiao which I find hard to believe they won't make everyone's list (99%). I also have Hopkins who has been an ageless wonder and at 46 years of age seems to improve with every fight. Calzaghe who beat Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins may come into question even being retired undefeated with many fights against unknown opponents to the public. I may post Ring Magazine or BoxRec current top 10 pound-for-pound in follow-up thread to help the non-boxing enthusiast get a start. Remember also the lists will most likely be current pound-for-pound and made for the past decade. I will add some lists that are made for the past decade.
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KWIK-E-MART posed the question to me asking who I thought was the best pound-for-pound fighters in the past decade. I figured starting from the year 2000 till today. The latter part of the list will be of greater debate and controversy. For me topping the list you have Mayweather and Pacquiao which I find hard to believe they won't make everyone's list (99%). I also have Hopkins who has been an ageless wonder and at 46 years of age seems to improve with every fight. Calzaghe who beat Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins may come into question even being retired undefeated with many fights against unknown opponents to the public. I may post Ring Magazine or BoxRec current top 10 pound-for-pound in follow-up thread to help the non-boxing enthusiast get a start. Remember also the lists will most likely be current pound-for-pound and made for the past decade. I will add some lists that are made for the past decade.
1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Bernard Hopkins 4. Joe Calzaghe 5. Juan Manuel Marquez 6. Winky Wright 7. Shane Mosley 8. Marco Antonio Barrera 9. Rafael Marquez 10. Israel Vasquez
I had originally listed on another thread almost identical list. I had Rafael Marquez, Shane Mosley, and Marco Antonio Barrera as almost toss-ups, but I chose Paul Willams, Miguel Cotto and Chad Dawson. It was a list I didn't used any reference, but it was very clear Mayweather and Pacquiao were automatic. Next I felt Hopkins and Calzaghe. Then I felt a third tier was Winky Wright. After that you have maybe 10 or more fighters that have a claim to be considered. Barrera, Morales and other legends and upcoming fighters like Khan and Martinez that will go down as greats but still have time to go. I never stated Ward but his ability and being maybe the most crafty fighter with the ability to make fighters looks very bad. Calzaghe had that ability as well.
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Ring Magazine 2000-2009 Pound-For-Pound
1. Manny Pacquiao 2. Floyd Mayweather 3. Bernard Hopkins 4. Joe Calzaghe 5. Juan Manuel Marquez 6. Winky Wright 7. Shane Mosley 8. Marco Antonio Barrera 9. Rafael Marquez 10. Israel Vasquez
I had originally listed on another thread almost identical list. I had Rafael Marquez, Shane Mosley, and Marco Antonio Barrera as almost toss-ups, but I chose Paul Willams, Miguel Cotto and Chad Dawson. It was a list I didn't used any reference, but it was very clear Mayweather and Pacquiao were automatic. Next I felt Hopkins and Calzaghe. Then I felt a third tier was Winky Wright. After that you have maybe 10 or more fighters that have a claim to be considered. Barrera, Morales and other legends and upcoming fighters like Khan and Martinez that will go down as greats but still have time to go. I never stated Ward but his ability and being maybe the most crafty fighter with the ability to make fighters looks very bad. Calzaghe had that ability as well.
I have this ring mag issue, I have not pulled it out of my ring mag collection to check it, but I will take you word that this is it, but for them to rate isreal vasquez and not morales is a joke, vasquez is a b level fighter, who if you take away the marquez fights, what does he have, a couple of wins over oscar larios, morales is A class with wins over pacquiao, barrera, ayala, chavez, since 2000 vasquez is not even on the same level as morales. I would not put vasquez in the top 50 fighters since 2000, the guy got lucky catching marquez who was past his best coming up in weight, , I have trained with lots of fighters who are in 118 to 126 pound range who a much better than vasquez, who we will most likely never here about, it's just a matter of what your connections are and what situations that you have going on in your life, I am a huge fan of ring magazine, have not missed an issue since 1998, but having vasquez on this list is wrong.
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I have this ring mag issue, I have not pulled it out of my ring mag collection to check it, but I will take you word that this is it, but for them to rate isreal vasquez and not morales is a joke, vasquez is a b level fighter, who if you take away the marquez fights, what does he have, a couple of wins over oscar larios, morales is A class with wins over pacquiao, barrera, ayala, chavez, since 2000 vasquez is not even on the same level as morales. I would not put vasquez in the top 50 fighters since 2000, the guy got lucky catching marquez who was past his best coming up in weight, , I have trained with lots of fighters who are in 118 to 126 pound range who a much better than vasquez, who we will most likely never here about, it's just a matter of what your connections are and what situations that you have going on in your life, I am a huge fan of ring magazine, have not missed an issue since 1998, but having vasquez on this list is wrong.
after re thinking what I said, I am wrong, I said that I wouldn't put vasquez in the top 50 fighters since 2000, I would not even put him in the top 300.
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after re thinking what I said, I am wrong, I said that I wouldn't put vasquez in the top 50 fighters since 2000, I would not even put him in the top 300.
Vasquez was such a great match-up for Marquez because only his unique punching power (and definitely one of strongest pound-for-pound punchers) that equalized Marquez's strong punch and superb boxing. Vasquez wasn't a technical fighter and through just bombs that even partially blocked KOd fighters. Marquez was persicion punching and always caused cuts all-over fighters faces. It might be written somewhere but I didn't search but Rafael was kidnapped and thrown in a trunk when he was in his teens (or else) then apparently at somepoint kidnappers they realize they have a poor kid worth no ransom and let him go. Juan has truly been a favorite of mine because he breaksdown so much in a fighter and he take a round or so getting the exact spacing so when he punches it punch is power peaked. Many fighters ideally have this in game plan but when your in a fight with moving target the punches you, it's a different story. He measures fighter for a punch he'll wait 4 more rounds to throw, and to me that's boxing. The analytical approach, the training for it and the patience to capitalize.
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Vasquez was such a great match-up for Marquez because only his unique punching power (and definitely one of strongest pound-for-pound punchers) that equalized Marquez's strong punch and superb boxing. Vasquez wasn't a technical fighter and through just bombs that even partially blocked KOd fighters. Marquez was persicion punching and always caused cuts all-over fighters faces. It might be written somewhere but I didn't search but Rafael was kidnapped and thrown in a trunk when he was in his teens (or else) then apparently at somepoint kidnappers they realize they have a poor kid worth no ransom and let him go. Juan has truly been a favorite of mine because he breaksdown so much in a fighter and he take a round or so getting the exact spacing so when he punches it punch is power peaked. Many fighters ideally have this in game plan but when your in a fight with moving target the punches you, it's a different story. He measures fighter for a punch he'll wait 4 more rounds to throw, and to me that's boxing. The analytical approach, the training for it and the patience to capitalize.
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