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    Weekend Picks (7/25/08 - 7/26/08)

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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2008 - 11:27 PM ET #1

    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +9.01 units

    James McGirt, Jr. vs. Raymond Joval
    McGirt (+120) (Bodog)
    1 unit


    Mike Alvarado vs. Cesar Bazan
    Under 9.5 (+185) (Bodog)
    1 unit

    I'm locking these in now because the line's on both have been dropping since opening.   McGirt's now -120 at 5dimes, while the Alvarado under is at even money.  I'll be back tomorrow with an explanation on both.
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    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +9.01 units

    James McGirt, Jr. vs. Raymond Joval
    McGirt (+120) (Bodog)
    1 unit


    Mike Alvarado vs. Cesar Bazan
    Under 9.5 (+185) (Bodog)
    1 unit

    I'm locking these in now because the line's on both have been dropping since opening.   McGirt's now -120 at 5dimes, while the Alvarado under is at even money.  I'll be back tomorrow with an explanation on both.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 12:44 AM ET #2

    leaning mcgirt as well. good luck.
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    leaning mcgirt as well. good luck.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 1:21 AM ET #3

    Don't really see a stoppage, so over 9 1/2 it shall be on McGirt/Joval
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    Don't really see a stoppage, so over 9 1/2 it shall be on McGirt/Joval
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 8:35 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    Don't really see a stoppage, so over 9 1/2 it shall be on McGirt/Joval


    Not sure about the value on that play.  -350 is a lot of juice to lay on an over prop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    Don't really see a stoppage, so over 9 1/2 it shall be on McGirt/Joval


    Not sure about the value on that play.  -350 is a lot of juice to lay on an over prop.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2008 - 8:58 AM ET #5

    James McGirt, Jr. vs. Raymond Joval
    McGirt (+120) (Bodog)
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    McGirt was winning his last fight against Carlos De Leon, Jr., before getting KO'd in the 7th due to some careless defense.  That shouldn't be as much of an issue in this one, as Joval isn't a power puncher, and McGirt's moving down from 168 to 160, which should be a better fighting weight for him.  Also, Joval has been pretty inactive (last fight was October 2007), and he's two months shy of his 40th birthday.   Given the difference in age, I can see McGirt being able to keep up a higher workrate than Joval, and the fight's in McGirt's backyard (New York), so a close decision should go to the local fighter.


    Mike Alvarado vs. Cesar Bazan
    Under 9.5 (+185) (Bodog)
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    Alvarado has a very tight defense, so he should be able pick off almost anything that the forward-moving, aging Bazan throws at him.  Against Michel Rosales in Alvarado's last fight, Alvarado waited to unleash a full-scale attack until Rosales had tired himself out from throwing too many ineffective punches.  I expect Alvarado to let Bazan bring the action to him in the early rounds, and then begin to take over with counter combos. 
    The accumulation of punishment should lead to a stoppage sometime in the mid-rounds.  It's true that Bazan has only been stopped by elite fighters (Miguel Cotto and Jose Luis Castillo), but both of those occurred over five years ago, and Bazan has deteriorated since.  He hasn't fought anyone of Alvarado's caliber lately, and Alvarado's on the path towards becoming a champion in the light welter division.
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    James McGirt, Jr. vs. Raymond Joval
    McGirt (+120) (Bodog)
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    McGirt was winning his last fight against Carlos De Leon, Jr., before getting KO'd in the 7th due to some careless defense.  That shouldn't be as much of an issue in this one, as Joval isn't a power puncher, and McGirt's moving down from 168 to 160, which should be a better fighting weight for him.  Also, Joval has been pretty inactive (last fight was October 2007), and he's two months shy of his 40th birthday.   Given the difference in age, I can see McGirt being able to keep up a higher workrate than Joval, and the fight's in McGirt's backyard (New York), so a close decision should go to the local fighter.


    Mike Alvarado vs. Cesar Bazan
    Under 9.5 (+185) (Bodog)
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    Alvarado has a very tight defense, so he should be able pick off almost anything that the forward-moving, aging Bazan throws at him.  Against Michel Rosales in Alvarado's last fight, Alvarado waited to unleash a full-scale attack until Rosales had tired himself out from throwing too many ineffective punches.  I expect Alvarado to let Bazan bring the action to him in the early rounds, and then begin to take over with counter combos. 
    The accumulation of punishment should lead to a stoppage sometime in the mid-rounds.  It's true that Bazan has only been stopped by elite fighters (Miguel Cotto and Jose Luis Castillo), but both of those occurred over five years ago, and Bazan has deteriorated since.  He hasn't fought anyone of Alvarado's caliber lately, and Alvarado's on the path towards becoming a champion in the light welter division.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 12:33 AM ET #6

    I agree on the heavy juice but 5Dimes allows parlays on all their lines.
     
    NYMets and over?  Sounds good 
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    I agree on the heavy juice but 5Dimes allows parlays on all their lines.
     
    NYMets and over?  Sounds good 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 2:44 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    I agree on the heavy juice but 5Dimes allows parlays on all their lines.
     
    NYMets and over?  Sounds good 


    Does 5dimes allow you to parlay the -1.5 runline with the over on the same game?  If so, that's the best baseball bet around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    I agree on the heavy juice but 5Dimes allows parlays on all their lines.
     
    NYMets and over?  Sounds good 


    Does 5dimes allow you to parlay the -1.5 runline with the over on the same game?  If so, that's the best baseball bet around.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 2:45 PM ET #8

    I don't know why I ask questions when I can just see for myself.  No, they don't allow that there.  Maybe that's why I don't bet on baseball...
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    I don't know why I ask questions when I can just see for myself.  No, they don't allow that there.  Maybe that's why I don't bet on baseball...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 2:55 PM ET #9

    Jesus Soto Karass vs. David Estrada
    Under 9.5 (+200) (5Dimes)
    .25 unit


    This should be a war for as long as it lasts.  Soto Karass has gone the distance in his last three fights against ordinary competition, but apparently he'd been worn down from his sparring sessions with Antonio Margarito, and he didn't spar with Margarito leading up to this fight.  That could mean that he's fresher tonight.  Also, Estrada could be on his last fighting legs after taking countless shots from powerful Andre Berto last year, so he may not be able to take the barrage of punches that are sure to come from Soto Karass.  Then again, Estrada has only lost to elite contenders, and he may be able to hurt someone who's a step below those guys.  Also, regarding Soto Karass, sometimes fighters make excuses for past lackluster performances when the truth is that they're just not as good as the hype.  If Soto Karass leaves himself open the way he did in his last three fights, I could see Estrada taking him out.  So, in a wide open fight, I'm taking the + money on it ending early.  There should be plenty of offense in this one. 
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    Jesus Soto Karass vs. David Estrada
    Under 9.5 (+200) (5Dimes)
    .25 unit


    This should be a war for as long as it lasts.  Soto Karass has gone the distance in his last three fights against ordinary competition, but apparently he'd been worn down from his sparring sessions with Antonio Margarito, and he didn't spar with Margarito leading up to this fight.  That could mean that he's fresher tonight.  Also, Estrada could be on his last fighting legs after taking countless shots from powerful Andre Berto last year, so he may not be able to take the barrage of punches that are sure to come from Soto Karass.  Then again, Estrada has only lost to elite contenders, and he may be able to hurt someone who's a step below those guys.  Also, regarding Soto Karass, sometimes fighters make excuses for past lackluster performances when the truth is that they're just not as good as the hype.  If Soto Karass leaves himself open the way he did in his last three fights, I could see Estrada taking him out.  So, in a wide open fight, I'm taking the + money on it ending early.  There should be plenty of offense in this one. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 2:57 PM ET #10

    Correction: The Total is 11.5, not 9.5.  At Bodog and Sportsbook, it's under 9.5 (+275), but I took the 11.5 (+200) because I can see the possibility of the fight ending in the later rounds, and I don't want to get moosed just because of greed for the bit of extra juice.

    Jesus Soto Karass vs. David Estrada
    Under 11.5 (+200) (5Dimes)
    .25 unit


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    Correction: The Total is 11.5, not 9.5.  At Bodog and Sportsbook, it's under 9.5 (+275), but I took the 11.5 (+200) because I can see the possibility of the fight ending in the later rounds, and I don't want to get moosed just because of greed for the bit of extra juice.

    Jesus Soto Karass vs. David Estrada
    Under 11.5 (+200) (5Dimes)
    .25 unit


     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 3:31 PM ET #11

    I put down a good sized wager on Antonio Diaz to beat Felix Flores at +125.

    I have a feeling that Diaz is the type of fighter who had to take a couple of years off to reinvigorate himself.
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    I put down a good sized wager on Antonio Diaz to beat Felix Flores at +125.

    I have a feeling that Diaz is the type of fighter who had to take a couple of years off to reinvigorate himself.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 4:58 PM ET #12

    you beat me to the punch weepaul.  I was going to post my writeup on that one later, but I might as well go ahead and post the play.  Flores isn't very good.  If Diaz can't beat him, he needs to go back to retirement.  I have a feeling that Diaz's people know that Flores is the right guy to come back against.

    Antonio Diaz vs. Felix Flores
    Diaz +135 (Bodog)
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    you beat me to the punch weepaul.  I was going to post my writeup on that one later, but I might as well go ahead and post the play.  Flores isn't very good.  If Diaz can't beat him, he needs to go back to retirement.  I have a feeling that Diaz's people know that Flores is the right guy to come back against.

    Antonio Diaz vs. Felix Flores
    Diaz +135 (Bodog)
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 9:46 PM ET #13

    Jesus Soto Karass vs. David Estrada
    Under 11.5 (+200) (5Dimes)
    .5 unit 

    Hopefully a lot of you caught this absolute barn burner of a fight!  What a war.  I had the fight dead even at the time of stoppage (3 rounds to each, with a 7th round draw), before Soto-Karass unloaded a massive combo culminating with a gargantuan right to end it in the 8th.  The big Mexico - Puerto Rico weekend is fully underway with Mexico ahead 1-0. 
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    Jesus Soto Karass vs. David Estrada
    Under 11.5 (+200) (5Dimes)
    .5 unit 

    Hopefully a lot of you caught this absolute barn burner of a fight!  What a war.  I had the fight dead even at the time of stoppage (3 rounds to each, with a 7th round draw), before Soto-Karass unloaded a massive combo culminating with a gargantuan right to end it in the 8th.  The big Mexico - Puerto Rico weekend is fully underway with Mexico ahead 1-0. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2008 - 11:02 PM ET #14

    James McGirt, Jr. vs. Raymond Joval
    McGirt (+120)
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    Two 3rd round knockdowns put this one in the bag for McGirt Jr.  Joval came on strong and I have to disagree with the 2 judges who scored a shutout for McGirt, but there's no doubt about it that the better man won.  This was a classic case of strategic matchmaking, as Joval simply doesn't have enough power to land he kind of big shots he would have needed to do tonight flip the script in a fight like this where he was way down on the scorecards early on. On top of that, we all know the old saying, follow the money.  Here's a textbook example of following the money to the bank.  McGirt opened as a dog and ended up a -150 fave at some books.  In boxing, perhaps more than in practically any other sport, that's usually a red flag that sound alarm bells with line watchers.
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    James McGirt, Jr. vs. Raymond Joval
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    Two 3rd round knockdowns put this one in the bag for McGirt Jr.  Joval came on strong and I have to disagree with the 2 judges who scored a shutout for McGirt, but there's no doubt about it that the better man won.  This was a classic case of strategic matchmaking, as Joval simply doesn't have enough power to land he kind of big shots he would have needed to do tonight flip the script in a fight like this where he was way down on the scorecards early on. On top of that, we all know the old saying, follow the money.  Here's a textbook example of following the money to the bank.  McGirt opened as a dog and ended up a -150 fave at some books.  In boxing, perhaps more than in practically any other sport, that's usually a red flag that sound alarm bells with line watchers.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 12:51 AM ET #15

    The dog and pony show kept saying that McGirt was the underdog. I like Teddy Atlas but he can take a thought and beat it to death.
     
    Over in the fight and the Mets to the window 
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    The dog and pony show kept saying that McGirt was the underdog. I like Teddy Atlas but he can take a thought and beat it to death.
     
    Over in the fight and the Mets to the window 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 1:03 AM ET #16

    Antonio Diaz vs. Felix Flores
    Diaz +135
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    If you're a fan of action, this was the fight to watch tonight.  Both men had their moments, but Diaz prevailed via a hard fought decision win.  Flores started out strong in the first, but Diaz unloaded a series of devastating uppercuts in the middle rounds, laying the groundwork for a strong points win.  The fight was more or less decided in the last few rounds, where Diaz, who seemed like he was tiring in the 8th and 9th rounds, fought back like a warrior and managed to outwork his opponent when it counted the most.  One judge had it a draw and in all honesty, I wouldn't have been shocked with that result, although Diaz looked superior in the 11th and 12th rounds.  This was a fine comeback win for Diaz, who showed no signs of ring rust whatsoever.  Where he goes from here remains to be seen. 

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    Antonio Diaz vs. Felix Flores
    Diaz +135
    0.675 unit

    If you're a fan of action, this was the fight to watch tonight.  Both men had their moments, but Diaz prevailed via a hard fought decision win.  Flores started out strong in the first, but Diaz unloaded a series of devastating uppercuts in the middle rounds, laying the groundwork for a strong points win.  The fight was more or less decided in the last few rounds, where Diaz, who seemed like he was tiring in the 8th and 9th rounds, fought back like a warrior and managed to outwork his opponent when it counted the most.  One judge had it a draw and in all honesty, I wouldn't have been shocked with that result, although Diaz looked superior in the 11th and 12th rounds.  This was a fine comeback win for Diaz, who showed no signs of ring rust whatsoever.  Where he goes from here remains to be seen. 

     
    weepaul
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 1:05 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    you beat me to the punch weepaul.  I was going to post my writeup on that one later, but I might as well go ahead and post the play.  Flores isn't very good.  If Diaz can't beat him, he needs to go back to retirement.  I have a feeling that Diaz's people know that Flores is the right guy to come back against.

    Antonio Diaz vs. Felix Flores
    Diaz +135 (Bodog)
    0.5 unit


    Diaz wins a majority decision in a fight that could have gone either way.

    I had Flores ahead until Diaz dug deep in the final 2 rounds.

    Nice night for you Bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    you beat me to the punch weepaul.  I was going to post my writeup on that one later, but I might as well go ahead and post the play.  Flores isn't very good.  If Diaz can't beat him, he needs to go back to retirement.  I have a feeling that Diaz's people know that Flores is the right guy to come back against.

    Antonio Diaz vs. Felix Flores
    Diaz +135 (Bodog)
    0.5 unit


    Diaz wins a majority decision in a fight that could have gone either way.

    I had Flores ahead until Diaz dug deep in the final 2 rounds.

    Nice night for you Bud.

     
    A2C
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 1:13 AM ET #18

    Cheers weepaul.  Always nice to walk shop with you.  You're a class act.   

    Fullbrights, where you at this weekend?  What are you thinking for tomorrow?   
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    Cheers weepaul.  Always nice to walk shop with you.  You're a class act.   

    Fullbrights, where you at this weekend?  What are you thinking for tomorrow?   
     
    A2C
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 9:49 PM ET #19

    Mike Alvarado vs. Cesar Bazan
    Under 9.5 (+185) (Bodog)
    +1.85 units  

    Now that was a little too easy.  Bazan shouldn't be in the ring with a hungry fighter like Alvarado.  What would he do to Holt?
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    Mike Alvarado vs. Cesar Bazan
    Under 9.5 (+185) (Bodog)
    +1.85 units  

    Now that was a little too easy.  Bazan shouldn't be in the ring with a hungry fighter like Alvarado.  What would he do to Holt?
     
    LetMeSpin
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2008 - 11:01 PM ET #20

    For me it is Cotto -214, Cotto -4.5 (-170), and Cotto ITD (+320)
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    For me it is Cotto -214, Cotto -4.5 (-170), and Cotto ITD (+320)
     
     
    Fullbrights
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2008 - 8:31 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    Cheers weepaul.  Always nice to walk shop with you.  You're a class act.   

    Fullbrights, where you at this weekend?  What are you thinking for tomorrow?   


    Blame Charter Comm., very nice week to you and Weepaul last week.  Mcgirt dug deep for you on FNF, Joval should probably call it a day.
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    Cheers weepaul.  Always nice to walk shop with you.  You're a class act.   

    Fullbrights, where you at this weekend?  What are you thinking for tomorrow?   


    Blame Charter Comm., very nice week to you and Weepaul last week.  Mcgirt dug deep for you on FNF, Joval should probably call it a day.
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