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    Why do doctors have that authority?

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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 12:47 AM ET #1

    I know the safety of the guys is first but they ALWAYS stop fights early... Margarito fought a good rd 9

    I thought Cotto would win the rematch but still
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    I know the safety of the guys is first but they ALWAYS stop fights early... Margarito fought a good rd 9

    I thought Cotto would win the rematch but still
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 12:49 AM ET #2

    You already answered your question.
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 12:50 AM ET #3

    better to be safe than sorry. margarito has to be a husband and dad. thats his fulltime job after boxing.
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    better to be safe than sorry. margarito has to be a husband and dad. thats his fulltime job after boxing.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 12:50 AM ET #4

    Other than the eye swelling up, this fight was looking just like the first one.... 
    Margs has one fucken chin on him though.....
    All about the chase
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    Other than the eye swelling up, this fight was looking just like the first one.... 
    Margs has one fucken chin on him though.....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 12:51 AM ET #5

    what fight were you watching, he was down at least 7 rounds to 2. Margarito got worked. Good for Cotto! 
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    what fight were you watching, he was down at least 7 rounds to 2. Margarito got worked. Good for Cotto! 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 2:15 AM ET #6

    Each state has Athletic Commission and follows federal procedures as well. Any sport that is considered brutal, is not allowed. Boxing was grandfathered in and major economy so doctors have oversight in most states as a rule to keep bouts safe and humane, and the ability to stop a fight. In states where they can't stop it, they can advise the referee to stop it (and I've yet to see a doctor telling referee to stop but the referee let's it continue.) The reason... liability. Yes it is dangerous and the ref and dr are there to protect you when you can no longer protect yourself. I see many bad corners that allow senseless fights... people say "but you would have missed a great comeback". Those are rare, and in those cases most fighters were dominated but punching and ineffective, and not major hurt. These are tough fights as severe jarring is what causes serious brain damage. Losing a few vicious fights might make a fighter retire early, but save his brain maybe 200 more rounds of head shots.
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    Each state has Athletic Commission and follows federal procedures as well. Any sport that is considered brutal, is not allowed. Boxing was grandfathered in and major economy so doctors have oversight in most states as a rule to keep bouts safe and humane, and the ability to stop a fight. In states where they can't stop it, they can advise the referee to stop it (and I've yet to see a doctor telling referee to stop but the referee let's it continue.) The reason... liability. Yes it is dangerous and the ref and dr are there to protect you when you can no longer protect yourself. I see many bad corners that allow senseless fights... people say "but you would have missed a great comeback". Those are rare, and in those cases most fighters were dominated but punching and ineffective, and not major hurt. These are tough fights as severe jarring is what causes serious brain damage. Losing a few vicious fights might make a fighter retire early, but save his brain maybe 200 more rounds of head shots.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 2:26 AM ET #7

    Doctors > NSAC
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    Doctors > NSAC
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 2:37 AM ET #8

    Rules by the Commission are voted and rules are then implemented.
    All the Dr's NSAC:
    Dr. William Berliner
    Dr. Steve Brown
    Dr. Al Capanna
    Dr. Todd Chapman
    Dr. Jay Coates
    Dr. Rodney Courson
    Dr. James Dettling
    Dr. Michael Enrico
    Dr. James Game
    Dr. Michael Gunter
    Dr. Steven Leibowitz
    Dr. Vicki Mazzorana
    Dr. Anthony Ruggeroli
    Dr. David Watson
    Dr. Damon Zavala
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    Rules by the Commission are voted and rules are then implemented.
    All the Dr's NSAC:
    Dr. William Berliner
    Dr. Steve Brown
    Dr. Al Capanna
    Dr. Todd Chapman
    Dr. Jay Coates
    Dr. Rodney Courson
    Dr. James Dettling
    Dr. Michael Enrico
    Dr. James Game
    Dr. Michael Gunter
    Dr. Steven Leibowitz
    Dr. Vicki Mazzorana
    Dr. Anthony Ruggeroli
    Dr. David Watson
    Dr. Damon Zavala
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 5:51 AM ET #9

    Boxing Authority (three main regulations)
    • the ringside doctor(s) are the highest authority on medical matters during a boxing match and their opinions shall be respected at all times by the referee
    • at least two ringside doctors are in attendance at each match
    • if the ringside doctor determines that the match should not continue, the referee shall stop the match

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    Boxing Authority (three main regulations)
    • the ringside doctor(s) are the highest authority on medical matters during a boxing match and their opinions shall be respected at all times by the referee
    • at least two ringside doctors are in attendance at each match
    • if the ringside doctor determines that the match should not continue, the referee shall stop the match

     
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    The Notation at the bottom was left out for some reason. These are rules taken from Province of Nova Scotia but most is the same as the U.S. and each State Athletic Commission differs slightly as does each governing body (organization: WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, etc..).

    Also I made a new thread as mine was cutoff stating Boxing Authority.
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    The Notation at the bottom was left out for some reason. These are rules taken from Province of Nova Scotia but most is the same as the U.S. and each State Athletic Commission differs slightly as does each governing body (organization: WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, etc..).

    Also I made a new thread as mine was cutoff stating Boxing Authority.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2011 - 8:42 AM ET #11

    utterly ridiculous question.
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    utterly ridiculous question.
     
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    They should never have licensed him in the first place, if they were going to treat him like "damaged goods".  We've all seen other fighters continue with a lot more damage.  He was way behind and Smoger was going to let it continue (as he usually does).

    As for the "he has to be a husband and dad", that's what Cotto told Max, that's it's not worth it, it's just a "job".  Max said Margarito is willing to die in the ring and that would give him an "advantage", and Cotto disagreed.  

    Sometimes we have to protect the fighter from themselves.  Good stoppage.  I had the over, damn!!
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    They should never have licensed him in the first place, if they were going to treat him like "damaged goods".  We've all seen other fighters continue with a lot more damage.  He was way behind and Smoger was going to let it continue (as he usually does).

    As for the "he has to be a husband and dad", that's what Cotto told Max, that's it's not worth it, it's just a "job".  Max said Margarito is willing to die in the ring and that would give him an "advantage", and Cotto disagreed.  

    Sometimes we have to protect the fighter from themselves.  Good stoppage.  I had the over, damn!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs05:

    They should never have licensed him in the first place, if they were going to treat him like "damaged goods".  We've all seen other fighters continue with a lot more damage.  He was way behind and Smoger was going to let it continue (as he usually does).

    As for the "he has to be a husband and dad", that's what Cotto told Max, that's it's not worth it, it's just a "job".  Max said Margarito is willing to die in the ring and that would give him an "advantage", and Cotto disagreed.  

    Sometimes we have to protect the fighter from themselves.  Good stoppage.  I had the over, damn!!


    agree i thought they were , too cautious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs05:

    They should never have licensed him in the first place, if they were going to treat him like "damaged goods".  We've all seen other fighters continue with a lot more damage.  He was way behind and Smoger was going to let it continue (as he usually does).

    As for the "he has to be a husband and dad", that's what Cotto told Max, that's it's not worth it, it's just a "job".  Max said Margarito is willing to die in the ring and that would give him an "advantage", and Cotto disagreed.  

    Sometimes we have to protect the fighter from themselves.  Good stoppage.  I had the over, damn!!


    agree i thought they were , too cautious
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2011 - 2:56 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    I know the safety of the guys is first but they ALWAYS stop fights early... Margarito fought a good rd 9

    I thought Cotto would win the rematch but still


    Why do they have that authority?  Ever hear Muhammad Ali or Meldrick Taylor speak these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    I know the safety of the guys is first but they ALWAYS stop fights early... Margarito fought a good rd 9

    I thought Cotto would win the rematch but still


    Why do they have that authority?  Ever hear Muhammad Ali or Meldrick Taylor speak these days?
     
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    I have very seldom seen a DR. stop a fight that I did not agree with. The average (JOE) has no clue what a Doctor knows. Thats why he is a Doctor. I had a sick friend go to the ER and have a Doctor check him. He told him to sit down and follow his finger with his eyes back and forth. After a few more things he said to him... I hate to say this to you but I think you may have a brain stem tumor. He did. Most Doctors know what is going on by looking at your eyes. They ARE smart!!!
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    I have very seldom seen a DR. stop a fight that I did not agree with. The average (JOE) has no clue what a Doctor knows. Thats why he is a Doctor. I had a sick friend go to the ER and have a Doctor check him. He told him to sit down and follow his finger with his eyes back and forth. After a few more things he said to him... I hate to say this to you but I think you may have a brain stem tumor. He did. Most Doctors know what is going on by looking at your eyes. They ARE smart!!!
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2011 - 3:58 PM ET #16

    BigPapa21, well stated. Many people wanted Margarito to take more a beating but after Mosley and Pacquiao, he had nothing left. Cotto only lost to Pacquiao, a war with Clottey and showed a future in boxing still.
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    BigPapa21, well stated. Many people wanted Margarito to take more a beating but after Mosley and Pacquiao, he had nothing left. Cotto only lost to Pacquiao, a war with Clottey and showed a future in boxing still.
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