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    Bracket Banter - Historical Stats Don't Lie

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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 12:26 PM ET #1

    I got to my bracket lab early this morning to start on some research.  I'm 'working' today, but as I've done every year since high school will be off Thursday and Friday, watching games at a local watering hole all day and night.  Some might be wondering how I got off from high school every year, but let's just say, school wasn't an option, so I did what was needed to be in front of a TV. 

    I've already stumbled upon some advanced numbers that I wanted to share and something I will be utilizing in my analysis and ultimate picks for the Final Four. 

    Disclaimer: This isn't gospel, it's merely statistical analysis on what has happened in the past.  With all statistics, there are outliers, and this year might be ripe for extreme outliers.

    Team Efficiency Results

    Since 2007, there have been nine NCAA Tournaments, which calculates out to 36 total participants in the Final Fours.  Of these 36 teams, 32 were in the top 50 for both offensive and defensive efficiency.  Of the four 'outliers', two were #1 ranked in one of the categories (outside the top 50 in the other) and one was #2 ranked in one of the categories (again, outside the top 50 in the other).  The fourth outlier team was VCU in 2011 who ranked 25th and 84th in offensive and defensive efficiency respectively. 

    So, those are the historic numbers, but who does that spotlight in this years field. Looking at solely teams in both, the breakdown by region is as follows:

    South : Kansas, Villanova, Miami, California, Maryland, Arizona, Iowa and Vanderbilt

    This region is stacked with teams who have balanced efficiency.  The interesting one, for me, is Vanderbilt.  This region doesn't offer much in the way of picking one team over another to advance, but when it comes down to betting individual games, it sure feels like grabbing the underdog getting points might be a smart strategy.  Specific to the bracket, there is some opportunity to back a mid-level seeded team while everyone else is going chalk

    West : Oregon, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas

    The top three seeds fall within the top 50 and a somewhat surprising one in Texas, which stands out where # 4 and # 5 seeds Duke and Baylor miss the mark.  If you want a dark horse, Texas might be a good one; if you want some upset options, Yale and UNCW also might be good ones.

    East : UNC, Xavier and West Virginia

    It seems every year there is at least one bracket that goes to form and maybe this year that's the East.  More on Kentucky in a moment, but beware Indiana and Notre Dame, you have a target on your back as a top seed who might be ripe to be sent home early

    Midwest : Virginia, Michigan State and Purdue

    Again, much like the East, this one could be chalk, but it also highlights potential vulnerable teams in Utah and Iowa State.

    As noted initially, there were teams, in past years,  that weren't in the top 50 for both efficiency numbers.  I took a look at teams who were in the top 10 on either side of the efficiency stats and produced the following:

    Top 10 Defense : Wichita State and Cincinnati
    Top 10 Offense : Kentucky and Iowa State

    I was surprised to see how many teams over the last nine years were top 50 in both efficiency numbers.  As you'd expect, the top seeds are all there, but it does highlight some options of lower seeds how might make some noise and higher seeds who might produce a dud.  In total, including the outliers, there are 22 teams within a 68 team field. 

    Again, history might carry this forward, but as with anything statistical, there is randomness.  Considering the season we've seen to date, randomness wouldn't be a total shock, but as you look through the matchups, dig into the efficiency numbers and you may find some glaring discrepancies between teams that might create opportunity in your bracket picking and in your individual game betting.

    I'm going to post a thread on each region with some thoughts.. I do it mostly to get my ideas and research on paper, but hope it helps others as well, even if that is to use as fade material.

     

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    I got to my bracket lab early this morning to start on some research.  I'm 'working' today, but as I've done every year since high school will be off Thursday and Friday, watching games at a local watering hole all day and night.  Some might be wondering how I got off from high school every year, but let's just say, school wasn't an option, so I did what was needed to be in front of a TV. 

    I've already stumbled upon some advanced numbers that I wanted to share and something I will be utilizing in my analysis and ultimate picks for the Final Four. 

    Disclaimer: This isn't gospel, it's merely statistical analysis on what has happened in the past.  With all statistics, there are outliers, and this year might be ripe for extreme outliers.

    Team Efficiency Results

    Since 2007, there have been nine NCAA Tournaments, which calculates out to 36 total participants in the Final Fours.  Of these 36 teams, 32 were in the top 50 for both offensive and defensive efficiency.  Of the four 'outliers', two were #1 ranked in one of the categories (outside the top 50 in the other) and one was #2 ranked in one of the categories (again, outside the top 50 in the other).  The fourth outlier team was VCU in 2011 who ranked 25th and 84th in offensive and defensive efficiency respectively. 

    So, those are the historic numbers, but who does that spotlight in this years field. Looking at solely teams in both, the breakdown by region is as follows:

    South : Kansas, Villanova, Miami, California, Maryland, Arizona, Iowa and Vanderbilt

    This region is stacked with teams who have balanced efficiency.  The interesting one, for me, is Vanderbilt.  This region doesn't offer much in the way of picking one team over another to advance, but when it comes down to betting individual games, it sure feels like grabbing the underdog getting points might be a smart strategy.  Specific to the bracket, there is some opportunity to back a mid-level seeded team while everyone else is going chalk

    West : Oregon, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas

    The top three seeds fall within the top 50 and a somewhat surprising one in Texas, which stands out where # 4 and # 5 seeds Duke and Baylor miss the mark.  If you want a dark horse, Texas might be a good one; if you want some upset options, Yale and UNCW also might be good ones.

    East : UNC, Xavier and West Virginia

    It seems every year there is at least one bracket that goes to form and maybe this year that's the East.  More on Kentucky in a moment, but beware Indiana and Notre Dame, you have a target on your back as a top seed who might be ripe to be sent home early

    Midwest : Virginia, Michigan State and Purdue

    Again, much like the East, this one could be chalk, but it also highlights potential vulnerable teams in Utah and Iowa State.

    As noted initially, there were teams, in past years,  that weren't in the top 50 for both efficiency numbers.  I took a look at teams who were in the top 10 on either side of the efficiency stats and produced the following:

    Top 10 Defense : Wichita State and Cincinnati
    Top 10 Offense : Kentucky and Iowa State

    I was surprised to see how many teams over the last nine years were top 50 in both efficiency numbers.  As you'd expect, the top seeds are all there, but it does highlight some options of lower seeds how might make some noise and higher seeds who might produce a dud.  In total, including the outliers, there are 22 teams within a 68 team field. 

    Again, history might carry this forward, but as with anything statistical, there is randomness.  Considering the season we've seen to date, randomness wouldn't be a total shock, but as you look through the matchups, dig into the efficiency numbers and you may find some glaring discrepancies between teams that might create opportunity in your bracket picking and in your individual game betting.

    I'm going to post a thread on each region with some thoughts.. I do it mostly to get my ideas and research on paper, but hope it helps others as well, even if that is to use as fade material.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 12:39 PM ET #2

    Very cool brother. Can you post the teams within the top 50 in both categories and their opponents in round 1 numbers?

    No biggy if not, just looks like you have all the numbers at hand.
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    Very cool brother. Can you post the teams within the top 50 in both categories and their opponents in round 1 numbers?

    No biggy if not, just looks like you have all the numbers at hand.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 1:49 PM ET #3

    Train, our minds are aligned, will post region by region

    South :
    Kansas (8 off / 5 def) -25.5 vs. Austin Peay (166 off / 274 def)
    Villanova -17 (11 off / 7 def) vs. NC Asheville (190 off / 60 def)
    Miami -14 (12 off / 44 def) vs. Buffalo (148 off / 148 def)
    California -7 (47 off / 15 def) vs. Hawaii (105 off / 41 def)
    Maryland -9 (26 off / 37 def) vs. South Dakota State (79 off / 108 def)
    Arizona (17 off / 40 def) vs. Vandy (32 off / 34 def) or Wichita State (81 off / 1 def)
    Iowa -7 (25 off / 31 def) vs. Temple (150 off / 52 def)
    Vanderbilt (32 off / 34 def) vs. Arizona (17 off / 40 def)

     

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    Train, our minds are aligned, will post region by region

    South :
    Kansas (8 off / 5 def) -25.5 vs. Austin Peay (166 off / 274 def)
    Villanova -17 (11 off / 7 def) vs. NC Asheville (190 off / 60 def)
    Miami -14 (12 off / 44 def) vs. Buffalo (148 off / 148 def)
    California -7 (47 off / 15 def) vs. Hawaii (105 off / 41 def)
    Maryland -9 (26 off / 37 def) vs. South Dakota State (79 off / 108 def)
    Arizona (17 off / 40 def) vs. Vandy (32 off / 34 def) or Wichita State (81 off / 1 def)
    Iowa -7 (25 off / 31 def) vs. Temple (150 off / 52 def)
    Vanderbilt (32 off / 34 def) vs. Arizona (17 off / 40 def)

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 2:08 PM ET #4

    West :

    Oregon (5 off / 50 def) vs. Holy Cross (297 off / 217 def) or Southern (244 off / 206 def)
    Oklahoma (20 off / 11 def)  -14 vs. Cal State Bakersfield (196 off / 26 def)
    Texas A&M (36 off / 12 def) -13 vs. Wisconsin Green Bay (96 off / 168 def)
    Texas -4 (44 off / 32 def) vs. Northern Iowa (135 off / 45 def)

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    West :

    Oregon (5 off / 50 def) vs. Holy Cross (297 off / 217 def) or Southern (244 off / 206 def)
    Oklahoma (20 off / 11 def)  -14 vs. Cal State Bakersfield (196 off / 26 def)
    Texas A&M (36 off / 12 def) -13 vs. Wisconsin Green Bay (96 off / 168 def)
    Texas -4 (44 off / 32 def) vs. Northern Iowa (135 off / 45 def)

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 2:11 PM ET #5

    East :

    UNC vs. Florida GC (182 off / 173 def) or Fairleigh Dickinson (141 off / 333 def)
    Xavier -13 (18 off / 36 def) vs. Weber State (184 off / 92 def)
    West Virginia -7.5 (23 off / 6 def) vs. Stephen F. Austin (61 off / 27 def)

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    East :

    UNC vs. Florida GC (182 off / 173 def) or Fairleigh Dickinson (141 off / 333 def)
    Xavier -13 (18 off / 36 def) vs. Weber State (184 off / 92 def)
    West Virginia -7.5 (23 off / 6 def) vs. Stephen F. Austin (61 off / 27 def)

     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 2:12 PM ET #6

    Not sure how iowa or maryland is in the top 40 defensively....


    Thanks brother 
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    Not sure how iowa or maryland is in the top 40 defensively....


    Thanks brother 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 2:14 PM ET #7

    Midwest :

    Virginia -23.5 (9 off / 4 def) vs. Hampton (245 off / 191 def)
    Michigan State -18 (2 off / 19 def) vs. Middle Tennessee State (198 off / 71 def)
    Purdue -9 (21 off / 18 def) vs. Arkansas Little Rock (85 off / 35 def)

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    Midwest :

    Virginia -23.5 (9 off / 4 def) vs. Hampton (245 off / 191 def)
    Michigan State -18 (2 off / 19 def) vs. Middle Tennessee State (198 off / 71 def)
    Purdue -9 (21 off / 18 def) vs. Arkansas Little Rock (85 off / 35 def)

     
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    Bitcoin, not crypto.
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    Good luck spazzzzzzzzzz
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    Good luck spazzzzzzzzzz
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2016 - 10:05 PM ET #10

    Seen a historical trend today that #1 seed hasn't made it out of the east the last 7 years.
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    Seen a historical trend today that #1 seed hasn't made it out of the east the last 7 years.
     
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    bumping the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthereal:

    Seen a historical trend today that #1 seed hasn't made it out of the east the last 7 years.

    That trend is wrong because VA was #1 in the east in 2014 and got to the sweet 16. I believe at least 1 #1 seed has lost the last 7 years in the rd of 32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onthereal:

    Seen a historical trend today that #1 seed hasn't made it out of the east the last 7 years.

    That trend is wrong because VA was #1 in the east in 2014 and got to the sweet 16. I believe at least 1 #1 seed has lost the last 7 years in the rd of 32

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 11:32 AM ET #13

    nice bump pack, this is a great write up and def has merit. I used off and def efficiency being the main factors to pick a bracket with about 60-65 people in it last year that won me $1500 on $30. Not a big number by some of the bets i see going in this forum but still a nice payout.
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    nice bump pack, this is a great write up and def has merit. I used off and def efficiency being the main factors to pick a bracket with about 60-65 people in it last year that won me $1500 on $30. Not a big number by some of the bets i see going in this forum but still a nice payout.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 12:38 PM ET #14

    Nice write ups SPAZ
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    Nice write ups SPAZ
     
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    Helpful info indeed 
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    Helpful info indeed 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 1:12 PM ET #16

    Hi Spaz!! Noticed you slid Vandy in your South bracket up top!!! Was that subliminal that you have them facing Zona after today? I have it 71-65 Vandy so i am good with that . 
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    Hi Spaz!! Noticed you slid Vandy in your South bracket up top!!! Was that subliminal that you have them facing Zona after today? I have it 71-65 Vandy so i am good with that . 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 2:08 PM ET #17

    Excellent write up of a very specific global stat. Much appreciated.
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 2:31 PM ET #18

    Thanks fellas, what I like about this is that it potentially exposes top seeds who aren't on the list as potential upset victims. Also, from a pure game to game betting perspective, dogs will look real nice getting so many points against an inefficient top seed.

    I'm seeing so much love for Stephen F Austin and, for me, I don't see it. These stats validate that West Virginia is a real good team, who won't give the game away

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    Thanks fellas, what I like about this is that it potentially exposes top seeds who aren't on the list as potential upset victims. Also, from a pure game to game betting perspective, dogs will look real nice getting so many points against an inefficient top seed.

    I'm seeing so much love for Stephen F Austin and, for me, I don't see it. These stats validate that West Virginia is a real good team, who won't give the game away

     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 6:32 PM ET #19

    You press a pressing team.  West Virginia the 2nd most turnover prone team in the tournament. The only team to force more turnovers than wva is sfa. Sfa is the 13 most experienced team in the field. Wva is not a good free throw shooting team and sfa takes care of the ball. Wva can beat them on the boards with size, but they have to get into their half court set first and they are a poor half court offense. Wva may squeek a win but the points with sfa or pass for me.
    Thanks for the work spaz. Good luck buddy!
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    You press a pressing team.  West Virginia the 2nd most turnover prone team in the tournament. The only team to force more turnovers than wva is sfa. Sfa is the 13 most experienced team in the field. Wva is not a good free throw shooting team and sfa takes care of the ball. Wva can beat them on the boards with size, but they have to get into their half court set first and they are a poor half court offense. Wva may squeek a win but the points with sfa or pass for me.
    Thanks for the work spaz. Good luck buddy!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 7:11 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    That trend is wrong because VA was #1 in the east in 2014 and got to the sweet 16. I believe at least 1 #1 seed has lost the last 7 years in the rd of 32


    Making it out of the east meaning to the Final 4 is what the stat was stating I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    That trend is wrong because VA was #1 in the east in 2014 and got to the sweet 16. I believe at least 1 #1 seed has lost the last 7 years in the rd of 32


    Making it out of the east meaning to the Final 4 is what the stat was stating I believe.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2016 - 10:10 PM ET #21

    Where do you find the efficiency numbers?
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2016 - 12:42 AM ET #22

    Thanks Spaz. Any chance you have those numbers for the last 10 games? Be nice to see what team is trending up/down...
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    Thanks Spaz. Any chance you have those numbers for the last 10 games? Be nice to see what team is trending up/down...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 9:17 AM ET #23

    Big Game - bets site for efficiency numbers is KenPom
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2016 - 9:36 AM ET #24

    did you make a typo with unc?
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