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    Penn-Temple Play

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    Dmon826
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 12:15 AM ET #1

    Hey guys,

    I've got a play on Monday night's Big 5 game when Fran Dunphy brings his Temple Owls to the Palestra to play my Penn Quakers.  And unforunately, the play I'm going with is:

    TEMPLE -10.5

    Here's why I'm going against my boys tonight:

    I haven't given you guys a season preview for my Quakers (yet), so let me start off with a very abridged version of one.  Hopes were pretty high for the Quakers coming into the season as they continue to rebuild the program under new Coach Jerome Allen.  Returning were three very (offensively) talented perimeter players in star senior PG Zack Rosen, a very talented sophomore 2G in Miles Cartwright, and a fifth-year senior sharpshooting SF in Tyler Bernardini.  And these guys were supposed to be complimented by Coach Allen's first recruiting class, which featured some top-notch talent, especially up front.  Two freshman were supposed to start for this team up front and make an immediate impact, but top recruit Greg Louis had hip surgery within the last week or two and is probably out for the year, and Henry Brooks is another two months away from action as he continues to rehab from ACL surgery.  So suddenly, a season that people were so optimistic about a few weeks ago looks to be in serious trouble early, as this team is left with a gigantic hole in the middle.  The guys who are filling in there are just not ready and not good enough to compete against the big boys.  I'll get into more detail in my eventual season preview and do player-by-player breakdowns, but for now that's the big picture view for this team.

    So Penn's strengths right now are on offense, especially on the perimeter.  However, this is a really bad defensive team right now, as the guards are not great defenders and allow penetration way too easily, and the bigs can't hold their own in the middle.  And the biggest weakness of this team is rebounding, as their total lack of a frontcourt leaves them helpless (they got abused on the boards in an exhibition game against a non-D1 team and in their season debut against a horrendous UMBC team).

    Temple should be able to thrash this team, as it's one of the big boys Penn's just not ready to play yet.  Their guards (Fernandez, Moore, Wyatt) can break us down and kick it out to wide open shooters.  And the guys inside should be able to have their way, particularly power forward Rahlir Jefferson, as Penn doesn't really have a power forward at the moment.  The rebounding margin is going to be absolutely huge for Temple and will be a major key to the game in their favor.  And when Temple's on D, Dunphy's discplined man-to-man (which this group of experienced players is well schooled in by now) really should be able to keep Rosen out of the lane for Penn and stymie Penn's offense.

    Now, the reasons that this bet might scare you are:  1) This is gonna be a very slow-paced, half-court game.  So Temple will have to be very efficient on both ends to cover.  And 2) Temple's big weakness last year defensively was 3 point shooting defense (percentage-wise), the one thing Penn relies heavily on.

    However, Temple also gave up very few three point attempts at all (despite the fact that when they did, they were made at a high percentage).  Still, this indicates an ability to close out and force teams off the three point line, which is consistent with the history of the defensive DNA of Dunphy-coached teams.  If you do that successfully against Penn and prevent them from making a bunch of threes, they have no other gear offensively, as there's no inside game to fall back on right now (and Temple's too tough inside to score down there with much success).  And Temple's guards really should be able to break down this porous Penn defense, setting up open threes all day long for them (Wyatt killed Penn last year).  But the biggest advantage Temple has is on the boards, which is where they're truly gonna destroy Penn.  Good rebounding teams will be playing taps on the glass against Penn, and tomorrow night will be no different.  That's the number one reason I like this bet.

    I hate that I'm this pessimistic about my Quakers going into this game, but I really don't see how Penn is going to keep it close.  If Penn shoots really well and hit some threes, they could hang around for a while.  And maybe Temple doesn't have its killer instinct honed quite yet in its first game of the season and Penn can hang on to only lose by only 7-10.  That's how I'd lose this bet.

    But more likely than not, Temple should be able to control this game and it really shouldn't be up for grabs as we get to the final under-4 timeout.  More likely than not, this one ends in a double digit margin.

    TEMPLE -10.5
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    Hey guys,

    I've got a play on Monday night's Big 5 game when Fran Dunphy brings his Temple Owls to the Palestra to play my Penn Quakers.  And unforunately, the play I'm going with is:

    TEMPLE -10.5

    Here's why I'm going against my boys tonight:

    I haven't given you guys a season preview for my Quakers (yet), so let me start off with a very abridged version of one.  Hopes were pretty high for the Quakers coming into the season as they continue to rebuild the program under new Coach Jerome Allen.  Returning were three very (offensively) talented perimeter players in star senior PG Zack Rosen, a very talented sophomore 2G in Miles Cartwright, and a fifth-year senior sharpshooting SF in Tyler Bernardini.  And these guys were supposed to be complimented by Coach Allen's first recruiting class, which featured some top-notch talent, especially up front.  Two freshman were supposed to start for this team up front and make an immediate impact, but top recruit Greg Louis had hip surgery within the last week or two and is probably out for the year, and Henry Brooks is another two months away from action as he continues to rehab from ACL surgery.  So suddenly, a season that people were so optimistic about a few weeks ago looks to be in serious trouble early, as this team is left with a gigantic hole in the middle.  The guys who are filling in there are just not ready and not good enough to compete against the big boys.  I'll get into more detail in my eventual season preview and do player-by-player breakdowns, but for now that's the big picture view for this team.

    So Penn's strengths right now are on offense, especially on the perimeter.  However, this is a really bad defensive team right now, as the guards are not great defenders and allow penetration way too easily, and the bigs can't hold their own in the middle.  And the biggest weakness of this team is rebounding, as their total lack of a frontcourt leaves them helpless (they got abused on the boards in an exhibition game against a non-D1 team and in their season debut against a horrendous UMBC team).

    Temple should be able to thrash this team, as it's one of the big boys Penn's just not ready to play yet.  Their guards (Fernandez, Moore, Wyatt) can break us down and kick it out to wide open shooters.  And the guys inside should be able to have their way, particularly power forward Rahlir Jefferson, as Penn doesn't really have a power forward at the moment.  The rebounding margin is going to be absolutely huge for Temple and will be a major key to the game in their favor.  And when Temple's on D, Dunphy's discplined man-to-man (which this group of experienced players is well schooled in by now) really should be able to keep Rosen out of the lane for Penn and stymie Penn's offense.

    Now, the reasons that this bet might scare you are:  1) This is gonna be a very slow-paced, half-court game.  So Temple will have to be very efficient on both ends to cover.  And 2) Temple's big weakness last year defensively was 3 point shooting defense (percentage-wise), the one thing Penn relies heavily on.

    However, Temple also gave up very few three point attempts at all (despite the fact that when they did, they were made at a high percentage).  Still, this indicates an ability to close out and force teams off the three point line, which is consistent with the history of the defensive DNA of Dunphy-coached teams.  If you do that successfully against Penn and prevent them from making a bunch of threes, they have no other gear offensively, as there's no inside game to fall back on right now (and Temple's too tough inside to score down there with much success).  And Temple's guards really should be able to break down this porous Penn defense, setting up open threes all day long for them (Wyatt killed Penn last year).  But the biggest advantage Temple has is on the boards, which is where they're truly gonna destroy Penn.  Good rebounding teams will be playing taps on the glass against Penn, and tomorrow night will be no different.  That's the number one reason I like this bet.

    I hate that I'm this pessimistic about my Quakers going into this game, but I really don't see how Penn is going to keep it close.  If Penn shoots really well and hit some threes, they could hang around for a while.  And maybe Temple doesn't have its killer instinct honed quite yet in its first game of the season and Penn can hang on to only lose by only 7-10.  That's how I'd lose this bet.

    But more likely than not, Temple should be able to control this game and it really shouldn't be up for grabs as we get to the final under-4 timeout.  More likely than not, this one ends in a double digit margin.

    TEMPLE -10.5
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 12:43 AM ET #2

    Also, on an unrelated note, I'm buying a little Columbia -4.5.  I don't have any strong feelings on this game, but I feel like this line will rise a bit as we get into the afternoon tomorrow.  And at that time, if I have Columbia -4.5 in my pocket, I can buy back some and go for the middle.

    Obviously this isn't a "real" play, as it's not based on handicapping or any real opinion.  I'm just trying to play the line move here.
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    Also, on an unrelated note, I'm buying a little Columbia -4.5.  I don't have any strong feelings on this game, but I feel like this line will rise a bit as we get into the afternoon tomorrow.  And at that time, if I have Columbia -4.5 in my pocket, I can buy back some and go for the middle.

    Obviously this isn't a "real" play, as it's not based on handicapping or any real opinion.  I'm just trying to play the line move here.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 12:45 AM ET #3

    Great read!
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    Great read!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 11:25 AM ET #4

    i think the number is right on here ,i actually lean penn,but..... i believe line is sharp here
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    i think the number is right on here ,i actually lean penn,but..... i believe line is sharp here
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 2:28 PM ET #5

    2 quick updates:

    1). As expected, the Columbia line has indeed gone up and so I'm buying back on Furman. Looks like I'll have a nice little two-point middle right in the sweet spot, so I'll take that.

    2). On the Penn game, it looks like Wyatt is OUT for Temple on a one-gam suspension for an internal matter. Obviously that's a frustrating loss if you're on Temple, as he's their best outside shooter and absolutely destroyed Penn in their game last year. I still like Temple to cover, but obviously this loss eats away at a little bit of the value. Still sticking with it, though.
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    2 quick updates:

    1). As expected, the Columbia line has indeed gone up and so I'm buying back on Furman. Looks like I'll have a nice little two-point middle right in the sweet spot, so I'll take that.

    2). On the Penn game, it looks like Wyatt is OUT for Temple on a one-gam suspension for an internal matter. Obviously that's a frustrating loss if you're on Temple, as he's their best outside shooter and absolutely destroyed Penn in their game last year. I still like Temple to cover, but obviously this loss eats away at a little bit of the value. Still sticking with it, though.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 4:56 PM ET #6

    Bump it.  Tailing Dmon - good to see you this year!
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    Bump it.  Tailing Dmon - good to see you this year!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 4:58 PM ET #7

    not looking too hard right now at game,but excellent write up
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    not looking too hard right now at game,but excellent write up
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 5:06 PM ET #8

    any thoughts on the total, was considering the over 123'
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    any thoughts on the total, was considering the over 123'
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 5:31 PM ET #9

    Good to see you again Dmon. Good luck!
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    Good to see you again Dmon. Good luck!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 5:54 PM ET #10

    Dan-

    If anything, I'd lean under on the total. Both teams want to play a half court game, but that's already factored into the total. But Temple will want to play extra-slow since they're missing two of the eight guys that were supposed to be a part of their rotation. Also, Penn's defensive rebounding problems has the effect of extending possessions, further slowing the pace of the game. Still, it's a total no-play for me. That's just my lean.
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    Dan-

    If anything, I'd lean under on the total. Both teams want to play a half court game, but that's already factored into the total. But Temple will want to play extra-slow since they're missing two of the eight guys that were supposed to be a part of their rotation. Also, Penn's defensive rebounding problems has the effect of extending possessions, further slowing the pace of the game. Still, it's a total no-play for me. That's just my lean.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 5:55 PM ET #11

    Great call on that Columbia line move....Good to see you back posting & GL this year!


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    Great call on that Columbia line move....Good to see you back posting & GL this year!


     
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    Good stuff Dmon.  You always provide great analysis.  BOL tonight and this year.

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    Good stuff Dmon.  You always provide great analysis.  BOL tonight and this year.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 8:07 PM ET #14

    28-28 at the Half  

    BTW my line dropped to 9

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    28-28 at the Half  

    BTW my line dropped to 9

     
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    im on your boys, hope they pull it out
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    69-67 temple goes to the line to shoot two, misses both...and then there is a Technical Team Foul on Penn? ... lol what they did?
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    69-67 temple goes to the line to shoot two, misses both...and then there is a Technical Team Foul on Penn? ... lol what they did?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 9:14 PM ET #17

    all that shit at the end to get a push 2h penn..such funny ass ending to make it a push 2h hahah tech and 5 sec left penn fouled when game is over hahaha
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    all that shit at the end to get a push 2h penn..such funny ass ending to make it a push 2h hahah tech and 5 sec left penn fouled when game is over hahaha
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 10:15 PM ET #18

    Ugh.  Can't believe we didn't pull that out (Penn, not the Temple bet).  Penn played their g*ddamn asses off and had every chance to win that game.  So frustrating.

    And sorry for the loser, guys.  Was just on the wrong side, as Penn stepped it up and played one hell of a game.  Get 'em next time.
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    Ugh.  Can't believe we didn't pull that out (Penn, not the Temple bet).  Penn played their g*ddamn asses off and had every chance to win that game.  So frustrating.

    And sorry for the loser, guys.  Was just on the wrong side, as Penn stepped it up and played one hell of a game.  Get 'em next time.
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