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    So refs can just control O/U with fouls early in CBB season huh?

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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2016 - 6:46 PM ET #1

    Like is this just understood as in a "refs will call it fair but they get to control flow of game and everyone knows they bet" or is people honestly clueless about whats going on?

    You got refs calling T's for nothing and calling 7 fouls in 1:30 minute during slow games just to get players to FT lines and rack up points OR they'll just go prison rules, turn the game into total slop and make sure nobody can score any points.

    Complete refs control and all under guise of "point of emphasis" and everyone is ok with it.

    Its bad enough when they make up calls at the 16,12,8, 4 minute marks to get to TV timeouts, doesn't matter what it does to the game or how wrong it is, if its time for a TV timeout the ref WILL create something to get to the timeout...showing exactly how aware they are of the scoreboard
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    Like is this just understood as in a "refs will call it fair but they get to control flow of game and everyone knows they bet" or is people honestly clueless about whats going on?

    You got refs calling T's for nothing and calling 7 fouls in 1:30 minute during slow games just to get players to FT lines and rack up points OR they'll just go prison rules, turn the game into total slop and make sure nobody can score any points.

    Complete refs control and all under guise of "point of emphasis" and everyone is ok with it.

    Its bad enough when they make up calls at the 16,12,8, 4 minute marks to get to TV timeouts, doesn't matter what it does to the game or how wrong it is, if its time for a TV timeout the ref WILL create something to get to the timeout...showing exactly how aware they are of the scoreboard
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2016 - 6:48 PM ET #2

    It's pretty much always been called tight in the first part of the season and is more relaxed later. Nothing  new here.
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    It's pretty much always been called tight in the first part of the season and is more relaxed later. Nothing  new here.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2016 - 6:51 PM ET #3

    Exactly, its a "Hey refs you can make some extra cash so you don't beg us for more money" early in the season

    So is everyone aware of it, or are they blind?
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    Exactly, its a "Hey refs you can make some extra cash so you don't beg us for more money" early in the season

    So is everyone aware of it, or are they blind?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2016 - 6:51 PM ET #4

    This is nothing new
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    Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:

    Exactly, its a "Hey refs you can make some extra cash so you don't beg us for more money" early in the season

    So is everyone aware of it, or are they blind?


    Everyone should be aware of it. New rules get called more and it's relaxed later in the season. Again they call it tight to start the year and it's relaxed as the season goes. If they called these games as tight in the Big Ten, they would be playing walkon players because they would run out of scholarship guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:

    Exactly, its a "Hey refs you can make some extra cash so you don't beg us for more money" early in the season

    So is everyone aware of it, or are they blind?


    Everyone should be aware of it. New rules get called more and it's relaxed later in the season. Again they call it tight to start the year and it's relaxed as the season goes. If they called these games as tight in the Big Ten, they would be playing walkon players because they would run out of scholarship guys.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2016 - 7:08 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonSports:

    This is nothing new




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonSports:

    This is nothing new




     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2016 - 7:46 PM ET #7

    For all of the conspiracy theorists... YES a few referees are likely betting games and manipulating outcomes
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    For all of the conspiracy theorists... YES a few referees are likely betting games and manipulating outcomes
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 1:11 AM ET #8

    I know a runner for NBA refs. Runs up and down the strip making bets in small increments and then collects . Not the same places every day. Very untraceable this way. Easy money. Can't blame them.
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    I know a runner for NBA refs. Runs up and down the strip making bets in small increments and then collects . Not the same places every day. Very untraceable this way. Easy money. Can't blame them.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 1:20 AM ET #9

    so rico you know a runner and you dont post picks but you came here to tell us about it? 

    wtf wheres the help thy brother love??!!!!
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    so rico you know a runner and you dont post picks but you came here to tell us about it? 

    wtf wheres the help thy brother love??!!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 1:22 AM ET #10

    sorry thread for the 2nd post but the meet donaghy in prison part was left off!

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    sorry thread for the 2nd post but the meet donaghy in prison part was left off!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 3:23 AM ET #11

    The runner is sworn to never tell. Has to be that way to avoid trouble.  I can tell you this, he use to play in the NFL for Dan Diego. 
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    The runner is sworn to never tell. Has to be that way to avoid trouble.  I can tell you this, he use to play in the NFL for Dan Diego. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 1:45 PM ET #12

    Emphasis is on freedom of movement, so allows refs to call a ton of defensive fouls at their leisure, so if you're a ref and want to make an extra $500, just call all the fouls you want until it goes over and collect, and nobody would or could ever know and its all under the guise of "emphasis"

    But look at Tennessee Oregon right now, heavy money on the over, both half and game, and look how its being called. Offensive fouls taking away points and they're hammering players in the paint with no call, keeping people off the line, letting the game get sloppy for an under.

    If you cant see these things I cant help you
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    Emphasis is on freedom of movement, so allows refs to call a ton of defensive fouls at their leisure, so if you're a ref and want to make an extra $500, just call all the fouls you want until it goes over and collect, and nobody would or could ever know and its all under the guise of "emphasis"

    But look at Tennessee Oregon right now, heavy money on the over, both half and game, and look how its being called. Offensive fouls taking away points and they're hammering players in the paint with no call, keeping people off the line, letting the game get sloppy for an under.

    If you cant see these things I cant help you
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 1:56 PM ET #13

    So....maybe the Under, then?

    Keep going...like the thought process.
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    So....maybe the Under, then?

    Keep going...like the thought process.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 2:03 PM ET #14

    Well its under if the refs want it under. Then they wont call any fouls, like you see in the Oregon Tenn game. Body checks all day long, guys getting hammered in the paint without calls, Oregon with a steal and in a break away and Tenn wisely intentionally fouls him, no call ball goes out of bounds.

    If the refs wanted over, thered be 30+ FTs by now.


    They have complete and total control and for everyone that says "Oh yeah they call it tight early" they don't. They call it however they want early. You cant claim all games are called tight and watch this Tenn/Oregon game and say the same thing. This is as loose of calls as it comes OH except for offensive fouls. They're calling those juuuuuuust fine.
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    Well its under if the refs want it under. Then they wont call any fouls, like you see in the Oregon Tenn game. Body checks all day long, guys getting hammered in the paint without calls, Oregon with a steal and in a break away and Tenn wisely intentionally fouls him, no call ball goes out of bounds.

    If the refs wanted over, thered be 30+ FTs by now.


    They have complete and total control and for everyone that says "Oh yeah they call it tight early" they don't. They call it however they want early. You cant claim all games are called tight and watch this Tenn/Oregon game and say the same thing. This is as loose of calls as it comes OH except for offensive fouls. They're calling those juuuuuuust fine.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 2:05 PM ET #15

    My point: once you get a feel for that in game, why not ride that tide?

    I'm not big into conspiracy theories, but  those are humans out there, playing and officiating...everyone's got a weakness.

    2H Under...I'll be interested to see the numbers.
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    My point: once you get a feel for that in game, why not ride that tide?

    I'm not big into conspiracy theories, but  those are humans out there, playing and officiating...everyone's got a weakness.

    2H Under...I'll be interested to see the numbers.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 3:35 PM ET #16

    So nobody notices anything odd about this game? Nobody?


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    So nobody notices anything odd about this game? Nobody?


     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 3:52 PM ET #17

    It's bad, no doubt about it.

    The bigger question is: how do we get on the right side of the fix?
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    It's bad, no doubt about it.

    The bigger question is: how do we get on the right side of the fix?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 4:27 PM ET #18

    Jaysus...now you got me half expecting the fix is in on this UCONN game, too.
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    Jaysus...now you got me half expecting the fix is in on this UCONN game, too.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 4:40 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by JamieR44:

    Jaysus...now you got me half expecting the fix is in on this UCONN game, too.
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    Jaysus...now you got me half expecting the fix is in on this UCONN game, too.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 4:42 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by rico07:

          A lesson on life is that where there is money business there is funny business.
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          A lesson on life is that where there is money business there is funny business.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 4:45 PM ET #21

    Fact.
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    Fact.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2016 - 7:41 PM ET #22

    Money heavy on Pitt Yale over, two teams can fill it up push pace

    Football game in the lane, twice had to stop play because players were injured. Had an intentional foul on a face break, where a guy jumped ontop of a another players back.  Every shot in the lane guys are getting hammered in the head, pushed, arms hit. Every screen is getting bumped, pushed, several players hit in the head on jump shots. Several times players dribbling were shoved and ball was knocked loose, no foul. 3 times a player made a shot, but it was waved off because of a foul but "before the shot" even though the whistle came after the basket was made.


    Entire 1st half, Pitt and Yale shot 2 free throw2.


    Everyone sit back and think about that. Think about what you've been watching and these "emphasis" calls and 2 free throws were shot the entire first half. Only 8 fouls, even though players were getting injured it was so physical.

    2 Free Throws.


    Keep telling me they "Always call it tight early in the year" They absolutely do not, they call it however way they bet.
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    Money heavy on Pitt Yale over, two teams can fill it up push pace

    Football game in the lane, twice had to stop play because players were injured. Had an intentional foul on a face break, where a guy jumped ontop of a another players back.  Every shot in the lane guys are getting hammered in the head, pushed, arms hit. Every screen is getting bumped, pushed, several players hit in the head on jump shots. Several times players dribbling were shoved and ball was knocked loose, no foul. 3 times a player made a shot, but it was waved off because of a foul but "before the shot" even though the whistle came after the basket was made.


    Entire 1st half, Pitt and Yale shot 2 free throw2.


    Everyone sit back and think about that. Think about what you've been watching and these "emphasis" calls and 2 free throws were shot the entire first half. Only 8 fouls, even though players were getting injured it was so physical.

    2 Free Throws.


    Keep telling me they "Always call it tight early in the year" They absolutely do not, they call it however way they bet.
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