Im not new to sports capping, in any sport really. I simply don't post much, but I read a lot.
That being said I conduct my own research and have my own systems, but one thing I was curious on that I read on here a lot is trap lines. I try to avoid taking those hints but now im just curious after watching it happen a couple times.
For example the other night in the Wright - Detroit game. Every where I read everyone is hammering Detroit on every website, Wrights top shooter is out yadda yadda. Then I read on someones comment that a large percentage of $$ is on Detroit minus the points (6 or something) so somehow Vegas will find a way to screw everyone and make the cash. Sure enough Wright is up like 15 the whole game and wins by 11.
What im pretty much saying is can Vegas actually have that affect on sports? and how could you possibly find any statistics on percentages on wagers. I wouldn't mind factoring this into my system to maybe avoid a bad beat.
Ive always read about these situations but paid no mind to them. Any info would be cool.
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Hey everyone,
Im not new to sports capping, in any sport really. I simply don't post much, but I read a lot.
That being said I conduct my own research and have my own systems, but one thing I was curious on that I read on here a lot is trap lines. I try to avoid taking those hints but now im just curious after watching it happen a couple times.
For example the other night in the Wright - Detroit game. Every where I read everyone is hammering Detroit on every website, Wrights top shooter is out yadda yadda. Then I read on someones comment that a large percentage of $$ is on Detroit minus the points (6 or something) so somehow Vegas will find a way to screw everyone and make the cash. Sure enough Wright is up like 15 the whole game and wins by 11.
What im pretty much saying is can Vegas actually have that affect on sports? and how could you possibly find any statistics on percentages on wagers. I wouldn't mind factoring this into my system to maybe avoid a bad beat.
Ive always read about these situations but paid no mind to them. Any info would be cool.
I think some of it has to do with the definition of a "trap line". Some people define it one way and others another way. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "trap line" by any definition anyone would use. It seems to me that handicappers give too much weight, in the college game especially, to any one player being out for any one average team. Unless you are talking about some college superstar player that is the MVP of the team and their backup just can't play at all, Vegas will figure in for the missing player and the line will be adjusted accordingly.
Now, all that being said, I do believe that Vegas makes mistakes and every now and then they really make some big ones. These mistakes can be mis read as "trap lines" by players as the tendency is for players to assume that Vegas knows all, sees all and NEVER makes a mistake...because big mistakes by Vegas happen so rarely.
Our job as handicappers is to find those mistakes and hammer them while keeping strong money management discipline on the "average action plays"....which is often easier said than done. We must try to reduce risk whenever possible but have huge confidence to hammer the Vegas mistakes when we find them.
The idea of a "trap game", to me, is just a psychological fallacy. Similar to confirmation bias.
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I think some of it has to do with the definition of a "trap line". Some people define it one way and others another way. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "trap line" by any definition anyone would use. It seems to me that handicappers give too much weight, in the college game especially, to any one player being out for any one average team. Unless you are talking about some college superstar player that is the MVP of the team and their backup just can't play at all, Vegas will figure in for the missing player and the line will be adjusted accordingly.
Now, all that being said, I do believe that Vegas makes mistakes and every now and then they really make some big ones. These mistakes can be mis read as "trap lines" by players as the tendency is for players to assume that Vegas knows all, sees all and NEVER makes a mistake...because big mistakes by Vegas happen so rarely.
Our job as handicappers is to find those mistakes and hammer them while keeping strong money management discipline on the "average action plays"....which is often easier said than done. We must try to reduce risk whenever possible but have huge confidence to hammer the Vegas mistakes when we find them.
The idea of a "trap game", to me, is just a psychological fallacy. Similar to confirmation bias.
What im pretty much saying is can Vegas actually have that affect on sports?
No...they do not. But what they can do is lead you to the right side often with how they set the lines. Vegas didn't have anything to do with Wright performing how they did against Detroit. But they did tell you is the wager was Wright or no play. The lines are what they are for legitimate reasons and they love the fact the majority of the wagering public has no idea why. Hence they end up with many more bets on one side and generally are of with that. Helps offset the sharp money on many occasions.
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Quote Originally Posted by rewinds2k:
Hey everyone,
What im pretty much saying is can Vegas actually have that affect on sports?
No...they do not. But what they can do is lead you to the right side often with how they set the lines. Vegas didn't have anything to do with Wright performing how they did against Detroit. But they did tell you is the wager was Wright or no play. The lines are what they are for legitimate reasons and they love the fact the majority of the wagering public has no idea why. Hence they end up with many more bets on one side and generally are of with that. Helps offset the sharp money on many occasions.
I think some of it has to do with the definition of a "trap line". Some people define it one way and others another way. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "trap line" by any definition anyone would use. It seems to me that handicappers give too much weight, in the college game especially, to any one player being out for any one average team. Unless you are talking about some college superstar player that is the MVP of the team and their backup just can't play at all, Vegas will figure in for the missing player and the line will be adjusted accordingly.
Now, all that being said, I do believe that Vegas makes mistakes and every now and then they really make some big ones. These mistakes can be mis read as "trap lines" by players as the tendency is for players to assume that Vegas knows all, sees all and NEVER makes a mistake...because big mistakes by Vegas happen so rarely.
Our job as handicappers is to find those mistakes and hammer them while keeping strong money management discipline on the "average action plays"....which is often easier said than done. We must try to reduce risk whenever possible but have huge confidence to hammer the Vegas mistakes when we find them.
The idea of a "trap game", to me, is just a psychological fallacy. Similar to confirmation bias.
I completely agree, hence why I try to pay no mind to whats considered a trap. I guess the moral of the story for myself is to stick with my own gut & research.
Sometimes its just hard to get over seeing that ridiculously juicy line that you cant believe you're getting, borderline confused with the spread and then that team gets hammered. It doesn't happen too often, but those are worst beats, and ultimately when you lose the most $.
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Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:
I think some of it has to do with the definition of a "trap line". Some people define it one way and others another way. Personally, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "trap line" by any definition anyone would use. It seems to me that handicappers give too much weight, in the college game especially, to any one player being out for any one average team. Unless you are talking about some college superstar player that is the MVP of the team and their backup just can't play at all, Vegas will figure in for the missing player and the line will be adjusted accordingly.
Now, all that being said, I do believe that Vegas makes mistakes and every now and then they really make some big ones. These mistakes can be mis read as "trap lines" by players as the tendency is for players to assume that Vegas knows all, sees all and NEVER makes a mistake...because big mistakes by Vegas happen so rarely.
Our job as handicappers is to find those mistakes and hammer them while keeping strong money management discipline on the "average action plays"....which is often easier said than done. We must try to reduce risk whenever possible but have huge confidence to hammer the Vegas mistakes when we find them.
The idea of a "trap game", to me, is just a psychological fallacy. Similar to confirmation bias.
I completely agree, hence why I try to pay no mind to whats considered a trap. I guess the moral of the story for myself is to stick with my own gut & research.
Sometimes its just hard to get over seeing that ridiculously juicy line that you cant believe you're getting, borderline confused with the spread and then that team gets hammered. It doesn't happen too often, but those are worst beats, and ultimately when you lose the most $.
Our job as handicappers is to find those mistakes and hammer them while keeping strong money management discipline on the "average action plays"....which is often easier said than done. We must try to reduce risk whenever possible but have huge confidence to hammer the Vegas mistakes when we find them.
The idea of a "trap game", to me, is just a psychological fallacy.
Well put
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Quote Originally Posted by smacksmiter:
Our job as handicappers is to find those mistakes and hammer them while keeping strong money management discipline on the "average action plays"....which is often easier said than done. We must try to reduce risk whenever possible but have huge confidence to hammer the Vegas mistakes when we find them.
The idea of a "trap game", to me, is just a psychological fallacy.
No...they do not. But what they can do is lead you to the right side often with how they set the lines. Vegas didn't have anything to do with Wright performing how they did against Detroit. But they did tell you is the wager was Wright or no play. The lines are what they are for legitimate reasons and they love the fact the majority of the wagering public has no idea why. Hence they end up with many more bets on one side and generally are of with that. Helps offset the sharp money on many occasions.
Thats what im looking for - to know when to hit Wright due to Vegas setting that line. I want to learn how to add that statistic into my research.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barn4:
No...they do not. But what they can do is lead you to the right side often with how they set the lines. Vegas didn't have anything to do with Wright performing how they did against Detroit. But they did tell you is the wager was Wright or no play. The lines are what they are for legitimate reasons and they love the fact the majority of the wagering public has no idea why. Hence they end up with many more bets on one side and generally are of with that. Helps offset the sharp money on many occasions.
Thats what im looking for - to know when to hit Wright due to Vegas setting that line. I want to learn how to add that statistic into my research.
I will tell you what I wish for....I wish someone with the computer skills would back test a system that looked at opening lines vs closing lines. It would be a lot of work but I would love to add that system into my bag of tricks. Probably would not be a great stand alone system but as a correlative system would be very valuable.
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I will tell you what I wish for....I wish someone with the computer skills would back test a system that looked at opening lines vs closing lines. It would be a lot of work but I would love to add that system into my bag of tricks. Probably would not be a great stand alone system but as a correlative system would be very valuable.
The phrase " trap line" is NOT the sign of a weak gambler! ITS THE SIGN OF A SMART GAMBLER! Every night their are a few lines that all the squares look at and say ohhhh that ones easy!! And 90% of the time they are wrong! If u look deep into the lines u can pull 2-3 out a night depending on games being played! The other big trap in all sports are the injury reports! 75% of the time when a teams star player is out they WILL WIN. But most people will look and see oh so and so is out for whomever their is no way they can win! BUT THEY DO!!!! Vegas definitely sets traps on a daily basis! Like throwing out a line and bait and reeling in a ton of money! U just have to be smart enough to figure out the trap!!
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The phrase " trap line" is NOT the sign of a weak gambler! ITS THE SIGN OF A SMART GAMBLER! Every night their are a few lines that all the squares look at and say ohhhh that ones easy!! And 90% of the time they are wrong! If u look deep into the lines u can pull 2-3 out a night depending on games being played! The other big trap in all sports are the injury reports! 75% of the time when a teams star player is out they WILL WIN. But most people will look and see oh so and so is out for whomever their is no way they can win! BUT THEY DO!!!! Vegas definitely sets traps on a daily basis! Like throwing out a line and bait and reeling in a ton of money! U just have to be smart enough to figure out the trap!!
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