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    can anemic offences at perennial top 25 programs be fixed?

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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2022 - 12:48 PM ET #1

    do people think that anemic offences (could be rushing or passing, but I usually think passing) at perennial top programs can be fixed in-season?

    Clemson last year? Oklahoma did replace Rattler with Williams last year, but I thought UO offence was reasonable with Rattler as starter.

    Texas A&M and Iowa (and probably others) this year?

    seems to me like the answer is generally "no, they are not easy to fix" this season.........

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    do people think that anemic offences (could be rushing or passing, but I usually think passing) at perennial top programs can be fixed in-season?

    Clemson last year? Oklahoma did replace Rattler with Williams last year, but I thought UO offence was reasonable with Rattler as starter.

    Texas A&M and Iowa (and probably others) this year?

    seems to me like the answer is generally "no, they are not easy to fix" this season.........

     
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    Iowa QB can’t even hit hands of wideouts, he’s unbelievably awful

    ags will improve as year goes, Jimbo classic for that but his current offense is a bag of poo 

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    Iowa QB can’t even hit hands of wideouts, he’s unbelievably awful

    ags will improve as year goes, Jimbo classic for that but his current offense is a bag of poo 

     
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    there are so many different types of offensive attacks, and more specifically passing attacks. you have to run a system that suits your talent, and quarterback comfort level. 

    -3 step pass game (slant, hitch, speed out, fade, usually 1 on 1 or 2 by 2 sets, run out of 21 personnel or 10 pers.)

    -trips combo and roll out passing- isolating 1 side of the field usually with a backside dig or post. usually 3x1 sets or "trips" with a crossing route and two different depth routes to isolate one or two defenders and compromise their position. lots of china combo, clear out, slant and go, out/fade, dig//post, post/curl, the combos are endless

    -air raid. receivers run their pass routes on the fly, and start the play not knowing exactly what they are going to do. extremely hard to get a feel for, and hard to learn. usually 2 by 2 sets almost exclusively out of "10 personnel" ( 1 RB, 0 TE)...lots of sit down routes, and getting the ball out quickly. think hawaii and SMU

    -RPO- play action to the running back, usually zone read, followed by QB run or pass to the outside. LOTS of horizontal passing, not a ton of deep stuff...frustrating as hell to watch, because it usually doesnt work unless the RUN game is gashing.

    -traditional gun/pistol 4/5 WR sets. typical gun offense that you can run anything out of, counter, sweep, inside/outsize zone, play action, crossing routes, 3 step, etc. extremely versatile. 

    -pro set passing: run out of the singleback, I form, or using a full back/H-back, Tight Ends. great for what IOWA should want to do. single or double tight end...usually out of 21 or 12 personelle ...motioning the big bodies, fakes to the RB, crossing WR or TE/FB someone should be wide open all the time, which is what we have seen in the past. 11/17 for 237 yards and a score...how many Iowa QBs have put up that stat line...most all of them. 

     

    so why is it all of a sudden not working? why can they not get it going? is the run game not gashing enough? are the WR threats not there? have they played against two stout Defenses? hmmm...combination of all three?

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    there are so many different types of offensive attacks, and more specifically passing attacks. you have to run a system that suits your talent, and quarterback comfort level. 

    -3 step pass game (slant, hitch, speed out, fade, usually 1 on 1 or 2 by 2 sets, run out of 21 personnel or 10 pers.)

    -trips combo and roll out passing- isolating 1 side of the field usually with a backside dig or post. usually 3x1 sets or "trips" with a crossing route and two different depth routes to isolate one or two defenders and compromise their position. lots of china combo, clear out, slant and go, out/fade, dig//post, post/curl, the combos are endless

    -air raid. receivers run their pass routes on the fly, and start the play not knowing exactly what they are going to do. extremely hard to get a feel for, and hard to learn. usually 2 by 2 sets almost exclusively out of "10 personnel" ( 1 RB, 0 TE)...lots of sit down routes, and getting the ball out quickly. think hawaii and SMU

    -RPO- play action to the running back, usually zone read, followed by QB run or pass to the outside. LOTS of horizontal passing, not a ton of deep stuff...frustrating as hell to watch, because it usually doesnt work unless the RUN game is gashing.

    -traditional gun/pistol 4/5 WR sets. typical gun offense that you can run anything out of, counter, sweep, inside/outsize zone, play action, crossing routes, 3 step, etc. extremely versatile. 

    -pro set passing: run out of the singleback, I form, or using a full back/H-back, Tight Ends. great for what IOWA should want to do. single or double tight end...usually out of 21 or 12 personelle ...motioning the big bodies, fakes to the RB, crossing WR or TE/FB someone should be wide open all the time, which is what we have seen in the past. 11/17 for 237 yards and a score...how many Iowa QBs have put up that stat line...most all of them. 

     

    so why is it all of a sudden not working? why can they not get it going? is the run game not gashing enough? are the WR threats not there? have they played against two stout Defenses? hmmm...combination of all three?

     
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    Iowa and A & M offenses, w few exceptions, have been underachieving for yrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steponaduck:

    there are so many different types of offensive attacks, and more specifically passing attacks. you have to run a system that suits your talent, and quarterback comfort level.  -3 step pass game (slant, hitch, speed out, fade, usually 1 on 1 or 2 by 2 sets, run out of 21 personnel or 10 pers.) -trips combo and roll out passing- isolating 1 side of the field usually with a backside dig or post. usually 3x1 sets or "trips" with a crossing route and two different depth routes to isolate one or two defenders and compromise their position. lots of china combo, clear out, slant and go, out/fade, dig//post, post/curl, the combos are endless -air raid. receivers run their pass routes on the fly, and start the play not knowing exactly what they are going to do. extremely hard to get a feel for, and hard to learn. usually 2 by 2 sets almost exclusively out of "10 personnel" ( 1 RB, 0 TE)...lots of sit down routes, and getting the ball out quickly. think hawaii and SMU -RPO- play action to the running back, usually zone read, followed by QB run or pass to the outside. LOTS of horizontal passing, not a ton of deep stuff...frustrating as hell to watch, because it usually doesnt work unless the RUN game is gashing. -traditional gun/pistol 4/5 WR sets. typical gun offense that you can run anything out of, counter, sweep, inside/outsize zone, play action, crossing routes, 3 step, etc. extremely versatile.  -pro set passing: run out of the singleback, I form, or using a full back/H-back, Tight Ends. great for what IOWA should want to do. single or double tight end...usually out of 21 or 12 personelle ...motioning the big bodies, fakes to the RB, crossing WR or TE/FB someone should be wide open all the time, which is what we have seen in the past. 11/17 for 237 yards and a score...how many Iowa QBs have put up that stat line...most all of them.    so why is it all of a sudden not working? why can they not get it going? is the run game not gashing enough? are the WR threats not there? have they played against two stout Defenses? hmmm...combination of all three?

     

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    there are so many different types of offensive attacks, and more specifically passing attacks. you have to run a system that suits your talent, and quarterback comfort level.  -3 step pass game (slant, hitch, speed out, fade, usually 1 on 1 or 2 by 2 sets, run out of 21 personnel or 10 pers.) -trips combo and roll out passing- isolating 1 side of the field usually with a backside dig or post. usually 3x1 sets or "trips" with a crossing route and two different depth routes to isolate one or two defenders and compromise their position. lots of china combo, clear out, slant and go, out/fade, dig//post, post/curl, the combos are endless -air raid. receivers run their pass routes on the fly, and start the play not knowing exactly what they are going to do. extremely hard to get a feel for, and hard to learn. usually 2 by 2 sets almost exclusively out of "10 personnel" ( 1 RB, 0 TE)...lots of sit down routes, and getting the ball out quickly. think hawaii and SMU -RPO- play action to the running back, usually zone read, followed by QB run or pass to the outside. LOTS of horizontal passing, not a ton of deep stuff...frustrating as hell to watch, because it usually doesnt work unless the RUN game is gashing. -traditional gun/pistol 4/5 WR sets. typical gun offense that you can run anything out of, counter, sweep, inside/outsize zone, play action, crossing routes, 3 step, etc. extremely versatile.  -pro set passing: run out of the singleback, I form, or using a full back/H-back, Tight Ends. great for what IOWA should want to do. single or double tight end...usually out of 21 or 12 personelle ...motioning the big bodies, fakes to the RB, crossing WR or TE/FB someone should be wide open all the time, which is what we have seen in the past. 11/17 for 237 yards and a score...how many Iowa QBs have put up that stat line...most all of them.    so why is it all of a sudden not working? why can they not get it going? is the run game not gashing enough? are the WR threats not there? have they played against two stout Defenses? hmmm...combination of all three?

     

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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2022 - 1:54 AM ET #6

    Iowa born and raised. This Petras kid hasn't really improved since he started, and this year he doesn't have an O-line in front of him. Gonna be a long season.

    Maybe once in my miserable life Iowa will accidentally get a blue chip QB.. I'd settle for a transfer kid. 

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    Iowa born and raised. This Petras kid hasn't really improved since he started, and this year he doesn't have an O-line in front of him. Gonna be a long season.

    Maybe once in my miserable life Iowa will accidentally get a blue chip QB.. I'd settle for a transfer kid. 

     
     
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    The answer is yes....but you have to be willing to change and work with what you have (playing the backup qb for example)......

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    The answer is yes....but you have to be willing to change and work with what you have (playing the backup qb for example)......

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