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    covid info and covid defaults

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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2021 - 8:53 PM ET #1

    is there any info on what NCAA teams have lower covid vaccination rates? or are NCAA rates generally very high compared to NFL?

    any idea if covid defaults will be included as part of basic "ATS or money line WIN"

    or will covid default mean "no play"? I'd assume so.

     

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    is there any info on what NCAA teams have lower covid vaccination rates? or are NCAA rates generally very high compared to NFL?

    any idea if covid defaults will be included as part of basic "ATS or money line WIN"

    or will covid default mean "no play"? I'd assume so.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2021 - 9:20 PM ET #2

    Big Ten, as of end of July;

    --Indiana, Minnesota, Rutgers, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, all over 90% vaxed.
    --Maryland and Purdue about 90% vaxed.
    --Wisconsin 85% vaxed.

    --Penn State "well above 70%" Franklin working on it.
    --Beilima at Illinois says; "expects to be 100% by fall camp" no number given
    --Ohio State's Ryan Day says; "majority are vaccinated", "we are getting close" "in the end hopefully we get close to 100%" no number given

    --Iowa not quite at 70% at end of July.
    --Nebraska's Scott Frost "not comfortable" with Husker vaccination rate, would not give a number.


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    Big Ten, as of end of July;

    --Indiana, Minnesota, Rutgers, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, all over 90% vaxed.
    --Maryland and Purdue about 90% vaxed.
    --Wisconsin 85% vaxed.

    --Penn State "well above 70%" Franklin working on it.
    --Beilima at Illinois says; "expects to be 100% by fall camp" no number given
    --Ohio State's Ryan Day says; "majority are vaccinated", "we are getting close" "in the end hopefully we get close to 100%" no number given

    --Iowa not quite at 70% at end of July.
    --Nebraska's Scott Frost "not comfortable" with Husker vaccination rate, would not give a number.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2021 - 11:22 PM ET #3

    Does it really matter more vaccinated are getting Covid then non vaccinated, it is gonna be a sh-t show this yr w the protocol. U will see more Covid problems this yr then last yr 

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    Does it really matter more vaccinated are getting Covid then non vaccinated, it is gonna be a sh-t show this yr w the protocol. U will see more Covid problems this yr then last yr 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey227:

    Does it really matter more vaccinated are getting Covid then non vaccinated, it is gonna be a sh-t show this yr w the protocol. U will see more Covid problems this yr then last yr

     

    The unvaccinated are the ones filling up the hospitals an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickey227:

    Does it really matter more vaccinated are getting Covid then non vaccinated, it is gonna be a sh-t show this yr w the protocol. U will see more Covid problems this yr then last yr

     

    The unvaccinated are the ones filling up the hospitals an_light

     
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    Yea ok go check the hospitals, there is no overflow of patients the problem is the hospitals are understaffed because half the staffs are resigning instead of getting forced to get the jab. So the media saying hospitals overflowing which is bs only some loser who listens to cnn or msnbc would believe that nonsense your spewing. 

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    Yea ok go check the hospitals, there is no overflow of patients the problem is the hospitals are understaffed because half the staffs are resigning instead of getting forced to get the jab. So the media saying hospitals overflowing which is bs only some loser who listens to cnn or msnbc would believe that nonsense your spewing. 

     
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    Buddy, you gotta be kidding me.   

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    Buddy, you gotta be kidding me.   

     
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    I've watched this closely (vaxed getting covid)

    #1; Vaccinated people are far less likely to get tested for COVID. The Kentucky study that the CDC put out says just that.

    #2. Overseas, Iceland has about 85% of adults vaccinated (16 and older) 69% of total population. About 60% of their positive cases are vaccinated people. (Fact checkers keep trying to debunk this info, IT IS WHAT IT IS.) www.covid.is/data  Look at the bar graph with cases broke down. Why can't the U.S. have this data????

    #3. Here in the U.S. Massachusetts has recorded just over 22% of their cases are from vaccinated. They are 65% vaccinated. Oregon says they currently see just over 14% positives are vaccinated. They are 57.4% vaccinated. These are the only two states I saw giving out numbers for this on a daily/weekly basis, not that garbage of 99% are unvaxed using data back to January 1.  

    So I'm going to say many vaccinated who are infected don't get tested for COVID because, yes, the vaccines work. Their symptoms are mild, a lot of time asymptomatic. Taking a conserative approach would say if population was 75% vaxed, as are most CFB teams, about 25% of the vaccinated would represent a positive test. So for every three unvaxed testing positive one vaxed would test positive. 

    BUT GOOD NEWS COLLEGE FOOTBALL FANS!!!!!! We're not going to follow the science!!! We're not going to test the vaccinated!!! They can wander around fully infected spreading covid, no problem. Only the unvaccinated will be tested weekly. Only the unvaxed will be wearing masks indoors---even though the CDC says the vaccinated should be masking up too. Only if a vaccinated individual has had close contact to those testing positive (will only be the unvaxed) will they get tested, maybe. And if the vaccinated test positive, IT'S THE UNVAXED WHO GET THE BLAME!! GET IT???

    So if your team is 100% vaxed, NO PROBLEM!!! Except their on the field performance may drop when some are infected. Consider that.

    I see many a 18-20 yr old getting scratchy throats, slight headache, a little run down. Think they will run right to coach and say I need to be tested? What would be the result if he starts a chain reaction where many teammates also test postive?? THEY FORFEIT THEIR GAME!!! WHAT A GREAT REWARD!!!

    You can see my cynical feelings on this matter. I'm not ant-vax. They work, it's proven. They help lessen getting infected, they don't PREVENT IT.

    These rules appear to be more designed to punish/force the unvaxed rather than protect the players and staff. 

    I see little cancellations this yr based on these rules.

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    I've watched this closely (vaxed getting covid)

    #1; Vaccinated people are far less likely to get tested for COVID. The Kentucky study that the CDC put out says just that.

    #2. Overseas, Iceland has about 85% of adults vaccinated (16 and older) 69% of total population. About 60% of their positive cases are vaccinated people. (Fact checkers keep trying to debunk this info, IT IS WHAT IT IS.) www.covid.is/data  Look at the bar graph with cases broke down. Why can't the U.S. have this data????

    #3. Here in the U.S. Massachusetts has recorded just over 22% of their cases are from vaccinated. They are 65% vaccinated. Oregon says they currently see just over 14% positives are vaccinated. They are 57.4% vaccinated. These are the only two states I saw giving out numbers for this on a daily/weekly basis, not that garbage of 99% are unvaxed using data back to January 1.  

    So I'm going to say many vaccinated who are infected don't get tested for COVID because, yes, the vaccines work. Their symptoms are mild, a lot of time asymptomatic. Taking a conserative approach would say if population was 75% vaxed, as are most CFB teams, about 25% of the vaccinated would represent a positive test. So for every three unvaxed testing positive one vaxed would test positive. 

    BUT GOOD NEWS COLLEGE FOOTBALL FANS!!!!!! We're not going to follow the science!!! We're not going to test the vaccinated!!! They can wander around fully infected spreading covid, no problem. Only the unvaccinated will be tested weekly. Only the unvaxed will be wearing masks indoors---even though the CDC says the vaccinated should be masking up too. Only if a vaccinated individual has had close contact to those testing positive (will only be the unvaxed) will they get tested, maybe. And if the vaccinated test positive, IT'S THE UNVAXED WHO GET THE BLAME!! GET IT???

    So if your team is 100% vaxed, NO PROBLEM!!! Except their on the field performance may drop when some are infected. Consider that.

    I see many a 18-20 yr old getting scratchy throats, slight headache, a little run down. Think they will run right to coach and say I need to be tested? What would be the result if he starts a chain reaction where many teammates also test postive?? THEY FORFEIT THEIR GAME!!! WHAT A GREAT REWARD!!!

    You can see my cynical feelings on this matter. I'm not ant-vax. They work, it's proven. They help lessen getting infected, they don't PREVENT IT.

    These rules appear to be more designed to punish/force the unvaxed rather than protect the players and staff. 

    I see little cancellations this yr based on these rules.

     
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    Couple of updates;

    Scott Frost of Nebraska says he feels much better with Husker vaccination rate. Says he will not give the number but expects a University spokesman to do so in the near future.

    Bielima of Illinois reports all but three players are vaxed. Those three not on two-deep.

    Day of Ohio State reports all but about 10 players vaccinated.

    I know Michigan, Michigan St, and Indiana require 100% student vacination. Not sure on the rest.

    Good Luck ALL!!! clover We'll get through it!!

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    Couple of updates;

    Scott Frost of Nebraska says he feels much better with Husker vaccination rate. Says he will not give the number but expects a University spokesman to do so in the near future.

    Bielima of Illinois reports all but three players are vaxed. Those three not on two-deep.

    Day of Ohio State reports all but about 10 players vaccinated.

    I know Michigan, Michigan St, and Indiana require 100% student vacination. Not sure on the rest.

    Good Luck ALL!!! clover We'll get through it!!

     
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    Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers are the universities in the conference that require a full vaccine to attend classes. Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin are among the universities with no vaccine mandate.

     

     

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    Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers are the universities in the conference that require a full vaccine to attend classes. Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin are among the universities with no vaccine mandate.

     

     

     
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    please people, 

     

    i was asking about possible Covid-related default of games, not whether getting vaccinated is a good idea or not. 

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    please people, 

     

    i was asking about possible Covid-related default of games, not whether getting vaccinated is a good idea or not. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers are the universities in the conference that require a full vaccine to attend classes. Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin are among the universities with no vaccine mandate.

     

    thank you so much... and for your earlier similar comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers are the universities in the conference that require a full vaccine to attend classes. Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Iowa, and Wisconsin are among the universities with no vaccine mandate.

     

    thank you so much... and for your earlier similar comment

     
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     Glad to provide info I find! Sorry about the rant, just the way I feel.

    Sticking to football here!

    Also, each conference has a different twist on protocol, as far as I can tell........................

    The Big10 is leaving it to each school how they test, i.e. Ohio St will test unvaxed twice a week. Others may do it different.

    From what I read the SEC says if your team is 85% vaxed, no testing needed, for anyone it seems. Someone correct me if I'm wrong! Only if someone comes down sick does it appear they test.

    The ACC says if a team is below 85% vaxed they (the unvaxed) get tested 3 times a week, for teams over 85% the unvaxed get tested once a week.

    Big12; All I see is testing will be done with unvaxed players.

    PAC12; They spell it out;

    ------Fully vaccinated (to COVID-19) individuals:
    o No surveillance testing required (except as indicated in the Sustained Increased
    Transmission section below).
    o No quarantine required after exposure to an individual with COVID-19 necessary for
    asymptomatic individuals.
    o Mask must be worn after exposure to an individual with COVID-19 for 14 days or until anegative PCR test on day 3-5 following exposure


    ------------• Unvaccinated individuals:
    o Testing and quarantine upon return to campus following non-team related travel.

    Regular surveillance testing, minimum of one molecular PCR test per week (or 3 times a
    week antigen testing on non-consecutive days).
    o Quarantine for the locally required period of time following high-risk COVID-19 exposure.
    o Mask while indoors.
    • Team vaccination rates: Mitigation guidance for teams regarding masking, travel protocols, and
    indoor facility use may be modified if 85% of team is vaccinated.

    MAC; Testing for the unvaxed similar to last season's protocals

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    @jimrockford22

     Glad to provide info I find! Sorry about the rant, just the way I feel.

    Sticking to football here!

    Also, each conference has a different twist on protocol, as far as I can tell........................

    The Big10 is leaving it to each school how they test, i.e. Ohio St will test unvaxed twice a week. Others may do it different.

    From what I read the SEC says if your team is 85% vaxed, no testing needed, for anyone it seems. Someone correct me if I'm wrong! Only if someone comes down sick does it appear they test.

    The ACC says if a team is below 85% vaxed they (the unvaxed) get tested 3 times a week, for teams over 85% the unvaxed get tested once a week.

    Big12; All I see is testing will be done with unvaxed players.

    PAC12; They spell it out;

    ------Fully vaccinated (to COVID-19) individuals:
    o No surveillance testing required (except as indicated in the Sustained Increased
    Transmission section below).
    o No quarantine required after exposure to an individual with COVID-19 necessary for
    asymptomatic individuals.
    o Mask must be worn after exposure to an individual with COVID-19 for 14 days or until anegative PCR test on day 3-5 following exposure


    ------------• Unvaccinated individuals:
    o Testing and quarantine upon return to campus following non-team related travel.

    Regular surveillance testing, minimum of one molecular PCR test per week (or 3 times a
    week antigen testing on non-consecutive days).
    o Quarantine for the locally required period of time following high-risk COVID-19 exposure.
    o Mask while indoors.
    • Team vaccination rates: Mitigation guidance for teams regarding masking, travel protocols, and
    indoor facility use may be modified if 85% of team is vaccinated.

    MAC; Testing for the unvaxed similar to last season's protocals

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2021 - 3:14 PM ET #13

    Ohio State announced Monday vaccines now mandatory so I expect 100% vax rate at Ohio St.

    And I see that list I posted left out Nebraska. Pretty sure Neb. has no mandate, otherwise Frost wouldn't have been fretting the numbers.

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    Ohio State announced Monday vaccines now mandatory so I expect 100% vax rate at Ohio St.

    And I see that list I posted left out Nebraska. Pretty sure Neb. has no mandate, otherwise Frost wouldn't have been fretting the numbers.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Ohio State announced Monday vaccines now mandatory so I expect 100% vax rate at Ohio St. And I see that list I posted left out Nebraska. Pretty sure Neb. has no mandate, otherwise Frost wouldn't have been fretting the numbers.
    mandatory, wow. That is a slippery slope to go down...cheerspeace_5peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Ohio State announced Monday vaccines now mandatory so I expect 100% vax rate at Ohio St. And I see that list I posted left out Nebraska. Pretty sure Neb. has no mandate, otherwise Frost wouldn't have been fretting the numbers.
    mandatory, wow. That is a slippery slope to go down...cheerspeace_5peace

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2021 - 3:57 PM ET #15

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     Behind closed doors, I'd wager a bunch of coaches are making it mandatory. It's a competitive advantage. Like UNI said, you can forego a lot of testing so if a guy feels like crap maybe you can sweep it under the rug a little better and keep playing the season.

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    @Eddy_Winslow

     Behind closed doors, I'd wager a bunch of coaches are making it mandatory. It's a competitive advantage. Like UNI said, you can forego a lot of testing so if a guy feels like crap maybe you can sweep it under the rug a little better and keep playing the season.

     
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    it's not mandatory for anyone to get vaccine. they haven't tied anyone down and given them vaccine to my knowledge (maybe they have with mental patients or something like that). ......it is mandatory though if you want to play football at some of these schools.

    my mom is in the hospital and her ward had a covid death outbreak 2 weeks before she went in for an extended stay... i live in a progressive/liberal canadian province and they DO NOT ASK visitors if you've been vaccinated. but that's a government-monopoly hospital, not a health club or restaurant. similar to school. if govt goes for comprehensive vaccine program for children, i am fairly confident that they can't bar your kid from school for not being vaccinated.....

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    it's not mandatory for anyone to get vaccine. they haven't tied anyone down and given them vaccine to my knowledge (maybe they have with mental patients or something like that). ......it is mandatory though if you want to play football at some of these schools.

    my mom is in the hospital and her ward had a covid death outbreak 2 weeks before she went in for an extended stay... i live in a progressive/liberal canadian province and they DO NOT ASK visitors if you've been vaccinated. but that's a government-monopoly hospital, not a health club or restaurant. similar to school. if govt goes for comprehensive vaccine program for children, i am fairly confident that they can't bar your kid from school for not being vaccinated.....

     
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    i also find the NFL players anti-vaccine campaign seems to be over-represented by "i scored 8 on the wonderlic test" types.

    whereas it seems like the most intelligent people i know or are aware of seem to consider getting the vaccine right up there with choosing a drink size at SBUX in terms of life decision.

     

    sorry, i said i didn't want political comments.. but i think my 2 comments tie into the football situation itself.

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    i also find the NFL players anti-vaccine campaign seems to be over-represented by "i scored 8 on the wonderlic test" types.

    whereas it seems like the most intelligent people i know or are aware of seem to consider getting the vaccine right up there with choosing a drink size at SBUX in terms of life decision.

     

    sorry, i said i didn't want political comments.. but i think my 2 comments tie into the football situation itself.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2021 - 2:26 PM ET #18

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/aug/25/college-football-kicking-off-in-pandemic-all-over-/

     

    texas, Ohio, arizona = 3 high profile states where the government can't apply significant pressure on you to get vacc'd

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    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/aug/25/college-football-kicking-off-in-pandemic-all-over-/

     

    texas, Ohio, arizona = 3 high profile states where the government can't apply significant pressure on you to get vacc'd

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2021 - 2:44 PM ET #19

    No problem from me jimrockford22, appreciate your input. A highly divided issue for the United States and I'll leave it at that. 

    By the way, Ohio State said; As the FDA has now officially authorized the vaccine, we now make it mandatory for our students. 

    So that was their justification.

    IMO, if they really just followed the science all althetes should be tested once a week, unvaxed could be 3 times a week. That would cover everybody, again just my opinion. That "carrot" that the vaxed not needed to be tested would have worked before Delta, not now.

    Now let's get the football season started!!!! an_dance

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    No problem from me jimrockford22, appreciate your input. A highly divided issue for the United States and I'll leave it at that. 

    By the way, Ohio State said; As the FDA has now officially authorized the vaccine, we now make it mandatory for our students. 

    So that was their justification.

    IMO, if they really just followed the science all althetes should be tested once a week, unvaxed could be 3 times a week. That would cover everybody, again just my opinion. That "carrot" that the vaxed not needed to be tested would have worked before Delta, not now.

    Now let's get the football season started!!!! an_dance

     
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     Gawd...lets not turn sports into politics.. hospitals save lives/treat sick and hurt and  report data...not make a political decisions

    You and I both have so much freedom regardless of any temporary policy change.....we just choose to be asses when we decide to dig in and get selfish about any change

     

     

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     Gawd...lets not turn sports into politics.. hospitals save lives/treat sick and hurt and  report data...not make a political decisions

    You and I both have so much freedom regardless of any temporary policy change.....we just choose to be asses when we decide to dig in and get selfish about any change

     

     

     
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     Sorry bud.... lets keep it about info and betting 

    Proving is hard. Talk is easy.
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     Sorry bud.... lets keep it about info and betting 

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2021 - 3:36 PM ET #22

    Here we go.................https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32160799/georgia-football-coach-kirby-smart-says-90-vaccination-bulldogs-experiencing-highest-spike-covid-19

    Georgia's Kirby Smart;

    "I'll be honest with you, I'm as concerned as I've ever been, because we have three or four guys out with COVID and we have a couple staff members that have been out with COVID here recently," Smart said. "For us, we're at our highest spike. And people are talking about vaccinations, well these are people that are vaccinated. We're talking about breakthroughs, and so that concerns you not only for the players on your team that are unvaccinated, that are playing and not playing, because we want everybody to be safe. But it concerns me for the players that are vaccinated that we could lose them."

     

    Georgia, like most of the South, has the highest rates  right now. Would expect more Southern teams with issues in the near future.

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    Here we go.................https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32160799/georgia-football-coach-kirby-smart-says-90-vaccination-bulldogs-experiencing-highest-spike-covid-19

    Georgia's Kirby Smart;

    "I'll be honest with you, I'm as concerned as I've ever been, because we have three or four guys out with COVID and we have a couple staff members that have been out with COVID here recently," Smart said. "For us, we're at our highest spike. And people are talking about vaccinations, well these are people that are vaccinated. We're talking about breakthroughs, and so that concerns you not only for the players on your team that are unvaccinated, that are playing and not playing, because we want everybody to be safe. But it concerns me for the players that are vaccinated that we could lose them."

     

    Georgia, like most of the South, has the highest rates  right now. Would expect more Southern teams with issues in the near future.

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