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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2010 - 5:37 AM ET #1

    How much can I drink?

    If you drink alcohol, it is important to keep within the guidelines:

        * Men should not regularly drink more than 3 - 4 units of alcohol a day.

        * Women should not regularly drink more than 2 - 3 units of alcohol a day.

    These guidelines apply whether you drink every day, once a week or occasionally. If you drink to much, avoid alcohol for 48 hours to allow your body time to recover.

    How much is one unit of alcohol?

        * one small glass (100mls) of wine (10% alcohol by volume - be aware that many wines have a higher alcohol content than this and the size of glasses may be bigger)


        * or half a pint (about 300mls) of normal strength lager, cider or beer (for example 3.5% - be aware that many beers and ciders have a higher volume than this)


        * or 1 pub measure (25mls) of spirits

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    How much can I drink?

    If you drink alcohol, it is important to keep within the guidelines:

        * Men should not regularly drink more than 3 - 4 units of alcohol a day.

        * Women should not regularly drink more than 2 - 3 units of alcohol a day.

    These guidelines apply whether you drink every day, once a week or occasionally. If you drink to much, avoid alcohol for 48 hours to allow your body time to recover.

    How much is one unit of alcohol?

        * one small glass (100mls) of wine (10% alcohol by volume - be aware that many wines have a higher alcohol content than this and the size of glasses may be bigger)


        * or half a pint (about 300mls) of normal strength lager, cider or beer (for example 3.5% - be aware that many beers and ciders have a higher volume than this)


        * or 1 pub measure (25mls) of spirits

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2010 - 10:42 AM ET #2

    men should regularly drink 3-4 units per hour  
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    Joey won't like this thread


    10 Millers a hour every day
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    (for example 3.5% - be aware that many beers and ciders have a higher volume than this)

      3.5%  what the heck is that

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      3.5%  what the heck is that

     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2010 - 3:08 PM ET #5

    You know how I know you are gay? You need to warn people that some beers may contain more than 3.5% alcohol. Anything under 3.5% is akin to water and should not be imbibed.
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    You know how I know you are gay? You need to warn people that some beers may contain more than 3.5% alcohol. Anything under 3.5% is akin to water and should not be imbibed.
     
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    Beers

    • A half pint (284 ml) of beer that has a strength of 3.5% abv contains almost exactly one unit. However, most beers are stronger. In pubs, beers generally range from 4% to 5.5% abv with continental lagers starting at around 5% abv. A pint of such lager (568 ml at 5.2% for example) is almost 3 units of alcohol, rather than the often-quoted value of 2 units per pint.
    • A 500 ml can/bottle of standard lager (5%) contains 2.5 units.
    • 'Super-strength' or strong pale lager may contain as much as two units per half pint.
    • One litre of typical Oktoberfest beer (5.5% to 6%) contains 5.5 to 6 units of alcohol.

    Wines

    • A small glass (125 ml) of 8% abv wine contains one unit of alcohol. However, British pubs and restaurants usually supply larger quantities (medium: 175 ml or large: 250 ml), and few wines are as weak as 8%; 12% is more typical. A standard pub measure (medium glass - 175 ml) of white wine (at 12%) contains around 2 units and a large glass (250 ml) contains 3 units. Red wine, which usually has a higher alcohol content (up to 16%), contains for an average 14% abv an alcohol content of 3.5 units for a large (250 ml glass), approximately one-sixth higher than a typical white wine. Just two bottles of 14% abv red wine a week will supply the maximum intake of alcohol for a man recommended by UK health guidelines.
    • A 750 ml bottle of 12% wine contains 9 units. Many wines may contain 14% abv or more, which is just over 10 units of alcohol per bottle.

    Fortified wines

    • A small glass (50 ml) of sherry, fortified wine, or cream liqueur (approx. 20% abv) contains about one unit.

     Spirits

    • Most spirits sold in the UK have 40% abv or slightly less. A single pub measure (about 25 ml) of such a spirit contains one unit. However, a larger single measure of 35 ml is now often sold, resulting in the consumption of 1.4 units of alcohol.

    Alcopops

    • Most alcopops contain 1.4 to 1.5 units per bottle. For example, a regular 275ml bottle of WKD contains 1.4 units[6], whereas Bacardi Breezer and Smirnoff Ice both contain 1.5 units of alcohol[7].

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    Beers

    • A half pint (284 ml) of beer that has a strength of 3.5% abv contains almost exactly one unit. However, most beers are stronger. In pubs, beers generally range from 4% to 5.5% abv with continental lagers starting at around 5% abv. A pint of such lager (568 ml at 5.2% for example) is almost 3 units of alcohol, rather than the often-quoted value of 2 units per pint.
    • A 500 ml can/bottle of standard lager (5%) contains 2.5 units.
    • 'Super-strength' or strong pale lager may contain as much as two units per half pint.
    • One litre of typical Oktoberfest beer (5.5% to 6%) contains 5.5 to 6 units of alcohol.

    Wines

    • A small glass (125 ml) of 8% abv wine contains one unit of alcohol. However, British pubs and restaurants usually supply larger quantities (medium: 175 ml or large: 250 ml), and few wines are as weak as 8%; 12% is more typical. A standard pub measure (medium glass - 175 ml) of white wine (at 12%) contains around 2 units and a large glass (250 ml) contains 3 units. Red wine, which usually has a higher alcohol content (up to 16%), contains for an average 14% abv an alcohol content of 3.5 units for a large (250 ml glass), approximately one-sixth higher than a typical white wine. Just two bottles of 14% abv red wine a week will supply the maximum intake of alcohol for a man recommended by UK health guidelines.
    • A 750 ml bottle of 12% wine contains 9 units. Many wines may contain 14% abv or more, which is just over 10 units of alcohol per bottle.

    Fortified wines

    • A small glass (50 ml) of sherry, fortified wine, or cream liqueur (approx. 20% abv) contains about one unit.

     Spirits

    • Most spirits sold in the UK have 40% abv or slightly less. A single pub measure (about 25 ml) of such a spirit contains one unit. However, a larger single measure of 35 ml is now often sold, resulting in the consumption of 1.4 units of alcohol.

    Alcopops

    • Most alcopops contain 1.4 to 1.5 units per bottle. For example, a regular 275ml bottle of WKD contains 1.4 units[6], whereas Bacardi Breezer and Smirnoff Ice both contain 1.5 units of alcohol[7].

     
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    Formulae

    The number of units of alcohol in a drink can be determined by multiplying the volume of the drink (in millilitres) by its percentage ABV, and dividing by 1000. Thus, one pint (568 ml) of beer at 4% ABV contains:

    The formula uses the quantity in millilitres divided by 1000; this has the result of there being exactly one unit per percentage point per litre of any alcoholic beverage.

    As the volume of alcoholic drinks is becoming increasingly shown in centilitres, discerning the number of units in a drink can be as simple as multiplying volume by percentage (converted into a fraction of 1). Thus, 75 centilitres of wine at 13 % ABV contains:

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    Formulae

    The number of units of alcohol in a drink can be determined by multiplying the volume of the drink (in millilitres) by its percentage ABV, and dividing by 1000. Thus, one pint (568 ml) of beer at 4% ABV contains:

    The formula uses the quantity in millilitres divided by 1000; this has the result of there being exactly one unit per percentage point per litre of any alcoholic beverage.

    As the volume of alcoholic drinks is becoming increasingly shown in centilitres, discerning the number of units in a drink can be as simple as multiplying volume by percentage (converted into a fraction of 1). Thus, 75 centilitres of wine at 13 % ABV contains:

     
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    Short term effects of alcohol on the body

    We drink, we feel different.

    We stop drinking and sooner or later we feel 'normal' again.

    But what's really going on inside our bodies and how does alcohol affect us in the short term?


    The stages of intoxication

    Stage 1 – A social lubricant?

    After one or two drinks (1-3 units), we're more talkative and our heart rate speeds up a little, giving us an 'up' feeling. This is the effect that people refer to when they say alcohol makes them feel more sociable. The 'warm feeling', or flushes, is caused by alcohol in the blood making small blood vessels in the skin expand, allowing more blood to flow closer to the surface and lowering blood pressure at the same time.

    Stage 2 – Giddy up!

    After a couple more drinks (4-6 units) we feel light headed and our co-ordination and reaction times are impaired. Our ability to make decisions is also slowed down. All of these effects are cased by alcohol acting on nerve cells all around the body and making them work more slowly. Driving will be illegal (and dangerous) and operating machinery a bad idea.

    Stage 3 – I'm perfickly shober!

    Another few drinks (7-9 units) and most people will show definite outward signs of alcohol's effects. Reaction times are much slower, vision becomes blurry and speech is slurred. Drinking more than eight units at a time seriously overloads the liver. If we take care of ourselves in the days to come, it should repair itself but for tomorrow a hangover is pretty much guaranteed.

    Stage 4 – Nobody's friend . . .

    Drinking more than 10 units has most people staggering about the place. Accidents are commonplace – as are fights caused by bumping into people who're easily upset by such things. This amount of alcohol will be affecting cells all over the body. In an effort to rid itself of the poison, the body tries to pass the alcohol out mixed with water in our urine. This is why alcohol makes us go to the loo a lot and is the cause of the dehydration that gives us morning-after headaches. Alcohol also attacks the gut, causing stomach upsets, heartburn, sickness and diarrhoea.

    Stage 5 – Unconscious or dead

    Drinking more than 30 units (that's about twelve pints of strong lager) is enough to knock most people out. From there, it's a short step to heart failure and breathing slowing to a stop. Even when people are already unconscious, alcohol in the stomach can continue to be absorbed and can reach lethal levels. People can also be sick and suffocate on their vomit.

    For these reasons, it's crucial never to leave very drunk people on their own.


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    Short term effects of alcohol on the body

    We drink, we feel different.

    We stop drinking and sooner or later we feel 'normal' again.

    But what's really going on inside our bodies and how does alcohol affect us in the short term?


    The stages of intoxication

    Stage 1 – A social lubricant?

    After one or two drinks (1-3 units), we're more talkative and our heart rate speeds up a little, giving us an 'up' feeling. This is the effect that people refer to when they say alcohol makes them feel more sociable. The 'warm feeling', or flushes, is caused by alcohol in the blood making small blood vessels in the skin expand, allowing more blood to flow closer to the surface and lowering blood pressure at the same time.

    Stage 2 – Giddy up!

    After a couple more drinks (4-6 units) we feel light headed and our co-ordination and reaction times are impaired. Our ability to make decisions is also slowed down. All of these effects are cased by alcohol acting on nerve cells all around the body and making them work more slowly. Driving will be illegal (and dangerous) and operating machinery a bad idea.

    Stage 3 – I'm perfickly shober!

    Another few drinks (7-9 units) and most people will show definite outward signs of alcohol's effects. Reaction times are much slower, vision becomes blurry and speech is slurred. Drinking more than eight units at a time seriously overloads the liver. If we take care of ourselves in the days to come, it should repair itself but for tomorrow a hangover is pretty much guaranteed.

    Stage 4 – Nobody's friend . . .

    Drinking more than 10 units has most people staggering about the place. Accidents are commonplace – as are fights caused by bumping into people who're easily upset by such things. This amount of alcohol will be affecting cells all over the body. In an effort to rid itself of the poison, the body tries to pass the alcohol out mixed with water in our urine. This is why alcohol makes us go to the loo a lot and is the cause of the dehydration that gives us morning-after headaches. Alcohol also attacks the gut, causing stomach upsets, heartburn, sickness and diarrhoea.

    Stage 5 – Unconscious or dead

    Drinking more than 30 units (that's about twelve pints of strong lager) is enough to knock most people out. From there, it's a short step to heart failure and breathing slowing to a stop. Even when people are already unconscious, alcohol in the stomach can continue to be absorbed and can reach lethal levels. People can also be sick and suffocate on their vomit.

    For these reasons, it's crucial never to leave very drunk people on their own.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2010 - 4:24 PM ET #9

    Long term effects of alcohol on the body

    If we only ever drank it once or twice in a lifetime, alcohol would probably do us no significant harm.

    Most of us who do drink, however, do it a lot more often than that!

    When it comes to our health, it's the effect of drinking regularly over months, years and decades that causes most harm.


    What's your poison?

    It doesn't matter whether you take it in cocktails, beer, wine, cider or lager, it's the alcohol that counts. Alcohol affects all kinds of cells in the body, causing changes in some and stopping others from working properly. As with most 'poisons', the more you take, the worse the effects are.

    Liver health and alcohol – it's all about . . . timing

    Our livers make a special substance that breaks down alcohol and burns it as fuel. But alcohol exhausts the liver's ability to do this and too much too often can damage it permanently. Given a chance, the liver can repair a lot of damage. This is why it's important to drink sensibly and have non-drinking days as well as not drinking too much at any one time.


    What else can go wrong if I drink too much for too long?

    The list is as long as your arm already and researchers around the world discover new things about alcohol's effects all the time. We've narrowed it down to the things we're certain about. Pick up a paper tomorrow, however, and we're sure you'll find more bad news to add to the list!

    Cancer

    After smoking, drinking alcohol is the second biggest risk factor for cancers of the mouth and throat. Drinking and smoking together carries the highest risk of all. People who develop cirrhosis of the liver (often caused by too much drink) can develop liver cancer. Women who drink more than three drinks a day increase their risk of breast cancer.

    Mental health problems

    There is a link between drinking too much alcohol and mental health problems. Heavy long-term drinking also risks problems with memory loss. Find out more in our section on alcohol and mental health.

    Heart disease

    In men over forty and women past the menopause, small amounts of alcohol (a couple of drinks a day) may reduce the risk of heart disease. For everyone else, too much alcohol is likely to cause weight gain, prevent proper exercise and be a cause of heart disease.

    Stroke

    Drinking more than the sensible limit dramatically increases the risk of having a stroke. A 20-year study of 6000 Scottish men found that those who drank more than 5 units a day were twice as likely to die from a stroke compared with non-drinkers.

    Strokes are caused either by blood clots clogging arteries in the brain (ischaemic stroke) or by blood vessels bursting and leaking into the brain (haemorrhagic stroke). A very heavy session (more than 8 units for men, 6 for women) causes dehydration and makes the blood thicker and more likely to form clots – in the brain and elsewhere. Prolonged heavy use of alcohol also raises blood pressure and can be another cause of stroke.

    Changes in physical appearance

    Alcoholic drinks contain lots and lots of calories so weight gain among people who don't drink sensibly is common. Alcohol affects the circulation by expanding blood vessels. This causes thread veins, often on the face, and purple, bulbous 'drinkers nose'. Heavy drinkers usually don't eat properly and too much alcohol stops the body absorbing the nutrients it needs. This leads to poor skin and brittle hair and nails.

    Diabetes

    Regular heavy drinkers are often overweight and, as with all overweight people, can go on to develop diabetes. Though manageable, people with diabetes don't live as long and have to eat restricted diets and take medicines daily or inject themselves with insulin.

    Sexual health problems

    Too much alcohol shrinks genitals and lowers fertility. Alcohol should be avoided during pregnancy or while trying to conceive. Being drunk can loosen inhibitions and affect judgement. This can make it less likely you'll use a condom or other protection properly (or at all) and so increase the risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease. Find out more in our section on alcohol and sexual health.

    Man breasts

    Prolonged heavy drinking makes men's breasts get bigger! Find out why in our section on men and alcohol.

    Pancreatitis

    Long-term heavy drinkers can develop this painful condition. The pancreas makes insulin and other substances needed to properly digest food. If left untreated, pancreatitis causes malnutrition and can lead to diabetes. In the UK, around 500 people per year die of alcohol-related pancreatitis.

    Memory problems

    Not only can people fail to remember what went on during a heavy session, persistent heavy drinkers can develop memory loss problems. A dementia-like illness called Wernicke-Korsakoff's Syndrome is caused by Vitamin B1 deficiency, in turn caused by malnutrition brought on by too much alcohol over too long a period.




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    Long term effects of alcohol on the body

    If we only ever drank it once or twice in a lifetime, alcohol would probably do us no significant harm.

    Most of us who do drink, however, do it a lot more often than that!

    When it comes to our health, it's the effect of drinking regularly over months, years and decades that causes most harm.


    What's your poison?

    It doesn't matter whether you take it in cocktails, beer, wine, cider or lager, it's the alcohol that counts. Alcohol affects all kinds of cells in the body, causing changes in some and stopping others from working properly. As with most 'poisons', the more you take, the worse the effects are.

    Liver health and alcohol – it's all about . . . timing

    Our livers make a special substance that breaks down alcohol and burns it as fuel. But alcohol exhausts the liver's ability to do this and too much too often can damage it permanently. Given a chance, the liver can repair a lot of damage. This is why it's important to drink sensibly and have non-drinking days as well as not drinking too much at any one time.


    What else can go wrong if I drink too much for too long?

    The list is as long as your arm already and researchers around the world discover new things about alcohol's effects all the time. We've narrowed it down to the things we're certain about. Pick up a paper tomorrow, however, and we're sure you'll find more bad news to add to the list!

    Cancer

    After smoking, drinking alcohol is the second biggest risk factor for cancers of the mouth and throat. Drinking and smoking together carries the highest risk of all. People who develop cirrhosis of the liver (often caused by too much drink) can develop liver cancer. Women who drink more than three drinks a day increase their risk of breast cancer.

    Mental health problems

    There is a link between drinking too much alcohol and mental health problems. Heavy long-term drinking also risks problems with memory loss. Find out more in our section on alcohol and mental health.

    Heart disease

    In men over forty and women past the menopause, small amounts of alcohol (a couple of drinks a day) may reduce the risk of heart disease. For everyone else, too much alcohol is likely to cause weight gain, prevent proper exercise and be a cause of heart disease.

    Stroke

    Drinking more than the sensible limit dramatically increases the risk of having a stroke. A 20-year study of 6000 Scottish men found that those who drank more than 5 units a day were twice as likely to die from a stroke compared with non-drinkers.

    Strokes are caused either by blood clots clogging arteries in the brain (ischaemic stroke) or by blood vessels bursting and leaking into the brain (haemorrhagic stroke). A very heavy session (more than 8 units for men, 6 for women) causes dehydration and makes the blood thicker and more likely to form clots – in the brain and elsewhere. Prolonged heavy use of alcohol also raises blood pressure and can be another cause of stroke.

    Changes in physical appearance

    Alcoholic drinks contain lots and lots of calories so weight gain among people who don't drink sensibly is common. Alcohol affects the circulation by expanding blood vessels. This causes thread veins, often on the face, and purple, bulbous 'drinkers nose'. Heavy drinkers usually don't eat properly and too much alcohol stops the body absorbing the nutrients it needs. This leads to poor skin and brittle hair and nails.

    Diabetes

    Regular heavy drinkers are often overweight and, as with all overweight people, can go on to develop diabetes. Though manageable, people with diabetes don't live as long and have to eat restricted diets and take medicines daily or inject themselves with insulin.

    Sexual health problems

    Too much alcohol shrinks genitals and lowers fertility. Alcohol should be avoided during pregnancy or while trying to conceive. Being drunk can loosen inhibitions and affect judgement. This can make it less likely you'll use a condom or other protection properly (or at all) and so increase the risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease. Find out more in our section on alcohol and sexual health.

    Man breasts

    Prolonged heavy drinking makes men's breasts get bigger! Find out why in our section on men and alcohol.

    Pancreatitis

    Long-term heavy drinkers can develop this painful condition. The pancreas makes insulin and other substances needed to properly digest food. If left untreated, pancreatitis causes malnutrition and can lead to diabetes. In the UK, around 500 people per year die of alcohol-related pancreatitis.

    Memory problems

    Not only can people fail to remember what went on during a heavy session, persistent heavy drinkers can develop memory loss problems. A dementia-like illness called Wernicke-Korsakoff's Syndrome is caused by Vitamin B1 deficiency, in turn caused by malnutrition brought on by too much alcohol over too long a period.




     
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2010 - 4:50 PM ET #10

    you're trying to ruin my buzz...aren't ya??   ........
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    Delete this thread!!!!  Terrible! 
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    Just got home....time for my first crown on the rocks!!!         
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    Posted: Aug. 19, 2010 - 9:52 PM ET #13

    I also heard it can affect your ability to  make decisions.

    I don't know I can't decide...



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    I don't know I can't decide...



     
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    Interesting Post
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    Piss

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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2010 - 2:47 PM ET #16

    GBP

    Have a few drinks please. It might help you finally get laid.
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    Have a few drinks please. It might help you finally get laid.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syddigs:

    GBP

    Have a few drinks please. It might help you finally get laid.

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    GBP

    Have a few drinks please. It might help you finally get laid.

     
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    I'm so glad to live in the USA, so I don't have to worry about mls

    I'd like to type more, but I just made a pitcher of martinis, and I need to find my straw..............

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    I'm so glad to live in the USA, so I don't have to worry about mls

    I'd like to type more, but I just made a pitcher of martinis, and I need to find my straw..............

     
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    It is shameful and disrespectful of those that have chosen to post what they believe to be clever,rude comments. This is a post about a health topic, get real. It is direspectful to all those that have died due to alcoholic illness and those that are suffering now. To all those that have lost loved ones to alcohol related illness. To those killed and injured by drunk drivers. To family lives destroyed by alcohol related mental and physical illness, children and spouses physically beaten, those born with birth defects due to alcoholic pregnancy.

    It is clear to the silent majority that read the thread who these people are,they are there and there offensive comments can be read.

    Vanwilder21 still not satisfied decided to start a thread 'GBP' where he asked a doctor posting health advise to leave the forum!!!!!!!. He put GBP in the stock so people could come in and add abuse, he new exactly what he wanted to do, and it worked a que of people ready to put the boot in. The community is full of these people. They have been seen in cappers threads, Gamehunter, Estes, 165yds, they have all had haters in. But get real this is not a cappers thread no one is losing money, it is  family doctor talking about health topics.
    Shame on you that have posted these comments and the biggest shame is on you Vanwilder21



    Mortality USA

        * Number of alcoholic liver disease deaths: 14,406
        * Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides: 23,199

    Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2007, tables 12, 23

    UK
    Mortality statistics

    Alcohol misuse accounts for more than 20,000 premature deaths per year, this includes cancer, liver disease and accidental injury.
    There were 8,724 alcohol related deaths in 2007, lower than 2006, but more than double the 4,144 recorded in 1991.6
    The alcohol-death rate is on the increase with 13.4 deaths per 100,000 population in 2006, representing a doubling since 1991.6 The risk increases once intake exceeds more than 3 drinks per day.4
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    It is clear to the silent majority that read the thread who these people are,they are there and there offensive comments can be read.

    Vanwilder21 still not satisfied decided to start a thread 'GBP' where he asked a doctor posting health advise to leave the forum!!!!!!!. He put GBP in the stock so people could come in and add abuse, he new exactly what he wanted to do, and it worked a que of people ready to put the boot in. The community is full of these people. They have been seen in cappers threads, Gamehunter, Estes, 165yds, they have all had haters in. But get real this is not a cappers thread no one is losing money, it is  family doctor talking about health topics.
    Shame on you that have posted these comments and the biggest shame is on you Vanwilder21



    Mortality USA

        * Number of alcoholic liver disease deaths: 14,406
        * Number of alcohol-induced deaths, excluding accidents and homicides: 23,199

    Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2007, tables 12, 23

    UK
    Mortality statistics

    Alcohol misuse accounts for more than 20,000 premature deaths per year, this includes cancer, liver disease and accidental injury.
    There were 8,724 alcohol related deaths in 2007, lower than 2006, but more than double the 4,144 recorded in 1991.6
    The alcohol-death rate is on the increase with 13.4 deaths per 100,000 population in 2006, representing a doubling since 1991.6 The risk increases once intake exceeds more than 3 drinks per day.4
     
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    Fuck alcohol.  Wasted people are so fucking annoying.
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2010 - 3:53 PM ET #22

    GBP....Is it ok for me to drink before noon on Sunday's to watch the football games???

    Please advise

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    Please advise

     
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    Even I say yes.
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    Eating, drinking, gambling and sex.  What else is there?
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