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I've made 2 bets on Olympic Downhill - Women. Alpine Skiing Money Line. Tina Maze (SLO) vs The Field for Matchups. WagerPrice 8.04
As you could know first place was shared between Maze and Gisin
I've got 4 messages from pin with different calcutations:
2/12/2014 1:11 AM [Alpine Skiing] [Olympic Downhill - Women] [Matchups] [Tina Maze (SLO) vs. The Field ]. The event has been re-graded from [Score 1-0] to [Score 1-0] due to the following reason: [Wrong information was entered]. Your bet on [Moneyline] with ticket-ID: [****, ****] has been affected. Sorry for the inconvenience.
2/12/2014 1:26 AM Same message
2/12/2014 1:29 AM Same message
2/12/2014 3:45 AM re-graded from [Score 1-0] to [Score 1-1]
I've tried to get answers from csd(csd@pinnaclesports.com) how they graded bets in this case.
The answer I've got was terrible: "Wagers are decided at our Grader's Department discretion"(not by rules, by thoughts of their analyst!) and finally they said "it will not be graded differently".
I've looked through all their Betting Rules and looked just 3 cases where sharing winner's place mentioned (nothing about this case in Winter sports or Alpine skiing but still):
Reality TV
If more than 1 winner is announced, the stake money on a selection is divided by the number of contestants who win. The full odds are then paid to the divided stake, with the remainder of the stake money being lost. (about half of possible winning)
Canadian Football
If teams tie for the highest team total, the winner will be the team with the greatest winning margin (least points scored by the opposition). If the winning margins are also equal, all bets on the tied teams will be graded as winners.
NFL and NCAA Propositions
For Super Bowl MVP propositions, if there are co-MVP’s, any bet related would be paid at full odds. If there is yes/no on Super Bowl MVP and named player is co-MVP, then yes will be declared winner and paid at full odds.
1) Surely it is bookmaker's guilt that they have no definite rules to apply in this case. (interesting, will they clarify rules after this case?)
2) Recalculation odds 4 times in total is the evidence that they have doubted much about final decision.
3) I'm far from this thought. But usually bookmakers tends to make final decision by maximization of their profit (comparing amounts of bets for the Winner and against and thinking which way they gain more money). Oddness of the way pin made decision in this case reminds me that bookmakers, from whom they wish to distance.
4) I think it's fair to use case of "more than 1 winner is anounced" from Reality TV section. Of course if there were preliminary stages pinnacle could take into consideration that results (this also was in their rules) but there were no preliminaries in downhill.
5) and "It will not be graded differently" after "wagers are decided by our discretion" looks great!
Thing that worries me most that it is not acceptable for bookmaker with perfect reputation to grade bets BY DISCRETION, not by rules.
When your rules were not set properly before event, you should be responsible for any possible cases occurred because of that, how do you think?
As you could know first place was shared between Maze and Gisin
I've got 4 messages from pin with different calcutations:
2/12/2014 1:11 AM [Alpine Skiing] [Olympic Downhill - Women] [Matchups] [Tina Maze (SLO) vs. The Field ]. The event has been re-graded from [Score 1-0] to [Score 1-0] due to the following reason: [Wrong information was entered]. Your bet on [Moneyline] with ticket-ID: [****, ****] has been affected. Sorry for the inconvenience.
2/12/2014 1:26 AM Same message
2/12/2014 1:29 AM Same message
2/12/2014 3:45 AM re-graded from [Score 1-0] to [Score 1-1]
I've tried to get answers from csd(csd@pinnaclesports.com) how they graded bets in this case.
The answer I've got was terrible: "Wagers are decided at our Grader's Department discretion"(not by rules, by thoughts of their analyst!) and finally they said "it will not be graded differently".
I've looked through all their Betting Rules and looked just 3 cases where sharing winner's place mentioned (nothing about this case in Winter sports or Alpine skiing but still):
Reality TV
If more than 1 winner is announced, the stake money on a selection is divided by the number of contestants who win. The full odds are then paid to the divided stake, with the remainder of the stake money being lost. (about half of possible winning)
Canadian Football
If teams tie for the highest team total, the winner will be the team with the greatest winning margin (least points scored by the opposition). If the winning margins are also equal, all bets on the tied teams will be graded as winners.
NFL and NCAA Propositions
For Super Bowl MVP propositions, if there are co-MVP’s, any bet related would be paid at full odds. If there is yes/no on Super Bowl MVP and named player is co-MVP, then yes will be declared winner and paid at full odds.
1) Surely it is bookmaker's guilt that they have no definite rules to apply in this case. (interesting, will they clarify rules after this case?)
2) Recalculation odds 4 times in total is the evidence that they have doubted much about final decision.
3) I'm far from this thought. But usually bookmakers tends to make final decision by maximization of their profit (comparing amounts of bets for the Winner and against and thinking which way they gain more money). Oddness of the way pin made decision in this case reminds me that bookmakers, from whom they wish to distance.
4) I think it's fair to use case of "more than 1 winner is anounced" from Reality TV section. Of course if there were preliminary stages pinnacle could take into consideration that results (this also was in their rules) but there were no preliminaries in downhill.
5) and "It will not be graded differently" after "wagers are decided by our discretion" looks great!
Thing that worries me most that it is not acceptable for bookmaker with perfect reputation to grade bets BY DISCRETION, not by rules.
When your rules were not set properly before event, you should be responsible for any possible cases occurred because of that, how do you think?
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