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    Did 4-time lottery winner pull to an inside straight?

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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 11:57 AM ET #1

     

    The e-mails used to come regularly, and they were brief. Often they would say only something like:

    $240 million

    It was understood that the Power Ball jackpot was getting high, and it was time to pool resources, buy 25 or 30 tickets, and hopefully cash in.

    So I ponied up a buck or two. The idea was that we would hit it, rent a limo for the ride to the lottery office to get photographed in front of that huge check, stop back at work to give our two-week notices, then head to the local upscale steakhouse and party the night away.

    We never hit big, of course, and over my protests even small winnings were used to buy even more losing tickets. It was a story played out in thousands of offices across North America.

    Eventually I grew tired and decided smaller wins at casinos were better than chasing an unattainable jackpot, so I dropped out of the office pool. Since then I have not paid much attention to lotteries. I look at them kind of like an NBA no-call – if a lot of people want to try to buck ridiculous odds for the high likelihood of allowing a truck driver from Nebraska to get rich beyond his wildest dreams and blowing it in a few years, knock yourself out. I’ll try to grind out a hundred here or there at the blackjack table, and probably have a lot more fun doing it.

    But a recent story about a Texas native who had hit it big four times – for total winnings of $25 million – got my attention. Joan Ginther is her name, and she now lives in Las Vegas, which leads you to wonder how much she has left. Anyway, some folks in Texas are calling her the luckiest woman in the world (the odds are too staggering to even list), and others are saying that that God has somehow involved in the drawings.

    Turns out it might be neither. The 63-year-old Ginther is actually a former Stanford University statistics professor, and people who know a lot about lotteries say that it’s likely that she has been able to use her math skills to increase her chances of winning, using an algorithm to determine at which point in each run of tickets winners are placed. People in the know also think that Ginther may be traveling back and forth to her hometown of Bishop just to buy tickets at just the right time, with perhaps knowledge of when shipments arrive at the stores where she buys the tickets.

    Despite calls for an investigation, the Texas Lottery Commission says that Ginther won the money fair and square, and there are no plans to look into the matter.

    So to everyone who plays the lottery – good luck. You now know where your money might be going.

     

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    The e-mails used to come regularly, and they were brief. Often they would say only something like:

    $240 million

    It was understood that the Power Ball jackpot was getting high, and it was time to pool resources, buy 25 or 30 tickets, and hopefully cash in.

    So I ponied up a buck or two. The idea was that we would hit it, rent a limo for the ride to the lottery office to get photographed in front of that huge check, stop back at work to give our two-week notices, then head to the local upscale steakhouse and party the night away.

    We never hit big, of course, and over my protests even small winnings were used to buy even more losing tickets. It was a story played out in thousands of offices across North America.

    Eventually I grew tired and decided smaller wins at casinos were better than chasing an unattainable jackpot, so I dropped out of the office pool. Since then I have not paid much attention to lotteries. I look at them kind of like an NBA no-call – if a lot of people want to try to buck ridiculous odds for the high likelihood of allowing a truck driver from Nebraska to get rich beyond his wildest dreams and blowing it in a few years, knock yourself out. I’ll try to grind out a hundred here or there at the blackjack table, and probably have a lot more fun doing it.

    But a recent story about a Texas native who had hit it big four times – for total winnings of $25 million – got my attention. Joan Ginther is her name, and she now lives in Las Vegas, which leads you to wonder how much she has left. Anyway, some folks in Texas are calling her the luckiest woman in the world (the odds are too staggering to even list), and others are saying that that God has somehow involved in the drawings.

    Turns out it might be neither. The 63-year-old Ginther is actually a former Stanford University statistics professor, and people who know a lot about lotteries say that it’s likely that she has been able to use her math skills to increase her chances of winning, using an algorithm to determine at which point in each run of tickets winners are placed. People in the know also think that Ginther may be traveling back and forth to her hometown of Bishop just to buy tickets at just the right time, with perhaps knowledge of when shipments arrive at the stores where she buys the tickets.

    Despite calls for an investigation, the Texas Lottery Commission says that Ginther won the money fair and square, and there are no plans to look into the matter.

    So to everyone who plays the lottery – good luck. You now know where your money might be going.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 12:22 PM ET #2

    what is your source?
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    what is your source?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 12:49 PM ET #3

    I heard about this lady a few weeks ago, amazing story
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    I heard about this lady a few weeks ago, amazing story
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 1:28 PM ET #4

    "Turns out it might be neither. The 63-year-old Ginther is actually a former Stanford University statistics professor, and people who know a lot about lotteries say that it’s likely that she has been able to use her math skills to increase her chances of winning, using an algorithm to determine at which point in each run of tickets winners are placed. People in the know also think that Ginther may be traveling back and forth to her hometown of Bishop just to buy tickets at just the right time, with perhaps knowledge of when shipments arrive at the stores where she buys the tickets."


    I wonder if she could write an algorithm program to predict sports, it cant be much difficult than picking the lottery.
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    "Turns out it might be neither. The 63-year-old Ginther is actually a former Stanford University statistics professor, and people who know a lot about lotteries say that it’s likely that she has been able to use her math skills to increase her chances of winning, using an algorithm to determine at which point in each run of tickets winners are placed. People in the know also think that Ginther may be traveling back and forth to her hometown of Bishop just to buy tickets at just the right time, with perhaps knowledge of when shipments arrive at the stores where she buys the tickets."


    I wonder if she could write an algorithm program to predict sports, it cant be much difficult than picking the lottery.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 7:44 PM ET #5

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    Lottery tickets or mega millions and powerball? How can you predict what balls the machine will suck up? Thats like picking out the bingo card that gonna hit.....
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    Lottery tickets or mega millions and powerball? How can you predict what balls the machine will suck up? Thats like picking out the bingo card that gonna hit.....
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 10:15 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Lottery tickets or mega millions and powerball? How can you predict what balls the machine will suck up? Thats like picking out the bingo card that gonna hit.....


    I assume high-dollar scratch offs. If you hit a Powerball-type drawing 4 times for a total of 25 mil you have FAILED at your gift. I would marry this woman sight unrseen if this is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Lottery tickets or mega millions and powerball? How can you predict what balls the machine will suck up? Thats like picking out the bingo card that gonna hit.....


    I assume high-dollar scratch offs. If you hit a Powerball-type drawing 4 times for a total of 25 mil you have FAILED at your gift. I would marry this woman sight unrseen if this is true.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2011 - 10:21 PM ET #8

    It has to be scratch off tickets, sounds like she is using an algorithm to determine what set of numbers in the lot of tickets are the probable winners based on whatever criteria she is using.
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    It has to be scratch off tickets, sounds like she is using an algorithm to determine what set of numbers in the lot of tickets are the probable winners based on whatever criteria she is using.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2011 - 1:11 AM ET #9

    Yeah, it was scratchers...here's more:

    She was called the luckiest woman in the world.

    But now that luck is being called into question by some who think that winning the lottery four times is more than just a coincidental spell of good fortune.

    Joan R. Ginther, 63, from Texas, won multiple million dollar payouts each time.

    First, she won $5.4 million, then a decade later, she won $2 million, then two years later $3 million and finally, in the spring of 2008, she hit a $10 million jackpot.

    The odds of this has been calculated at one in eighteen septillion and luck like this could only come once every quadrillion years.

    Harper's reporter Nathanial Rich recently wrote an article about Ginther, which questioned the validity of this 'luck' with which she attributes her multiple lottery wins to.

    First, he points out, Ginther is a former math professor with a PhD from Stanford University specialising in statistics.

    A professor at the Institute for the Study of Gambling & Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada, Reno, told Rich, "When something this unlikely happens in a casino, you arrest 'em first and ask questions later."

    Although Ginther now lives in Las Vegas, she won all four of her lotteries in Texas.

    Three of her wins, all in two-year intervals, were by scratch-off tickets bought at the same mini mart in the town of Bishop.

    Rich proceeds to detail the myriad ways in which Ginther could have gamed the system — including the fact that she may have figured out the algorithm that determines where a winner is placed in each run of scratch-off tickets.

    He believes that after Ginther figured out the algorithm, it wouldn't be too difficult to then determine where the tickets would be shipped, as the shipping schedule is apparently fixed, and there were a few sources she could have found it out from.

    According to Forbes, the residents of Bishop, Texas, seem to believe God was behind it all.

    The Texas Lottery Commission told Rich that Ginther must have been 'born under a lucky star', and that they don't suspect foul play.

    https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095

     

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    Yeah, it was scratchers...here's more:

    She was called the luckiest woman in the world.

    But now that luck is being called into question by some who think that winning the lottery four times is more than just a coincidental spell of good fortune.

    Joan R. Ginther, 63, from Texas, won multiple million dollar payouts each time.

    First, she won $5.4 million, then a decade later, she won $2 million, then two years later $3 million and finally, in the spring of 2008, she hit a $10 million jackpot.

    The odds of this has been calculated at one in eighteen septillion and luck like this could only come once every quadrillion years.

    Harper's reporter Nathanial Rich recently wrote an article about Ginther, which questioned the validity of this 'luck' with which she attributes her multiple lottery wins to.

    First, he points out, Ginther is a former math professor with a PhD from Stanford University specialising in statistics.

    A professor at the Institute for the Study of Gambling & Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada, Reno, told Rich, "When something this unlikely happens in a casino, you arrest 'em first and ask questions later."

    Although Ginther now lives in Las Vegas, she won all four of her lotteries in Texas.

    Three of her wins, all in two-year intervals, were by scratch-off tickets bought at the same mini mart in the town of Bishop.

    Rich proceeds to detail the myriad ways in which Ginther could have gamed the system — including the fact that she may have figured out the algorithm that determines where a winner is placed in each run of scratch-off tickets.

    He believes that after Ginther figured out the algorithm, it wouldn't be too difficult to then determine where the tickets would be shipped, as the shipping schedule is apparently fixed, and there were a few sources she could have found it out from.

    According to Forbes, the residents of Bishop, Texas, seem to believe God was behind it all.

    The Texas Lottery Commission told Rich that Ginther must have been 'born under a lucky star', and that they don't suspect foul play.

    https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095

     

     
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    This is just a total case of being very lucky.
    I doubt very much any math formula she could have, could lead her to which tickets are the winning ones.  Also how could she ever find out what tickets got shipped to what stores in Texas.
    My God Texas is a huge state with tons of places selling tickets.

    Theres 2 things that could be responsible for this good luck

    1.like i said shes either very lucky
    or
    2.she has an inside source in the lottery. I have always told people that there has got to be people working in the lottery who know exactly what number ticket is the jackpot ticket and what store it gets sent to. This is needed so they can be sure that they know exactly where those jackpot tickets are at all times, so that nobody could ever make a phony ticket.
    If they didnt know which number on the back of the ticket was the actual jackpot ticket, you would see criminals making winning tickets. They cant do it, because they dont know what the actual jackpot tickets number is and they certainly cant guess when around 15 million tickets are printed on every batch of tickets.

    If she had any system, she would be going across the country hitting every lottery.

    My own personal guess is she had an inside connection in the lottery.
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    This is just a total case of being very lucky.
    I doubt very much any math formula she could have, could lead her to which tickets are the winning ones.  Also how could she ever find out what tickets got shipped to what stores in Texas.
    My God Texas is a huge state with tons of places selling tickets.

    Theres 2 things that could be responsible for this good luck

    1.like i said shes either very lucky
    or
    2.she has an inside source in the lottery. I have always told people that there has got to be people working in the lottery who know exactly what number ticket is the jackpot ticket and what store it gets sent to. This is needed so they can be sure that they know exactly where those jackpot tickets are at all times, so that nobody could ever make a phony ticket.
    If they didnt know which number on the back of the ticket was the actual jackpot ticket, you would see criminals making winning tickets. They cant do it, because they dont know what the actual jackpot tickets number is and they certainly cant guess when around 15 million tickets are printed on every batch of tickets.

    If she had any system, she would be going across the country hitting every lottery.

    My own personal guess is she had an inside connection in the lottery.
     
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    Just seems to me that no one could be that lucky.It's not like they put out thousands and thousands of BIG MONEY scratches. Lets i work at the lottery and know where a big one is gonna land and i tell ya where and what kind it is,ya go and buy some. Of couse you could not go and buy hundreds at a time that would raise a flag.One thing i'm certain of, i dont care how good she is with numbers it aint gonna help you pick big scratch winners.
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    Just seems to me that no one could be that lucky.It's not like they put out thousands and thousands of BIG MONEY scratches. Lets i work at the lottery and know where a big one is gonna land and i tell ya where and what kind it is,ya go and buy some. Of couse you could not go and buy hundreds at a time that would raise a flag.One thing i'm certain of, i dont care how good she is with numbers it aint gonna help you pick big scratch winners.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2011 - 4:19 PM ET #12

    https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095
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    https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:

    https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095


    No math formula could tell her where what tickets were gonna be shipped to, thats just impossible. How the hell coluld she get the shipping information of whats in each box shipped out of lottery headquarters.  Really stop and think about that logically for just one minute.
    Thats like saying she knows ticket number 1467289760897 is being sent to glenns minimart in dallas texas  how could any math formula tell her that?
    She had an inside connection who knew where the jackpot tickets were being sent to, not a formula
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:

    https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095


    No math formula could tell her where what tickets were gonna be shipped to, thats just impossible. How the hell coluld she get the shipping information of whats in each box shipped out of lottery headquarters.  Really stop and think about that logically for just one minute.
    Thats like saying she knows ticket number 1467289760897 is being sent to glenns minimart in dallas texas  how could any math formula tell her that?
    She had an inside connection who knew where the jackpot tickets were being sent to, not a formula
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2011 - 10:39 PM ET #14

    that degree and those odds tells me she knows something.
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    that degree and those odds tells me she knows something.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2011 - 10:40 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Lottery tickets or mega millions and powerball? How can you predict what balls the machine will suck up? Thats like picking out the bingo card that gonna hit.....

    i bet there are odds on what numbers get sucked up more. strange world. i know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Lottery tickets or mega millions and powerball? How can you predict what balls the machine will suck up? Thats like picking out the bingo card that gonna hit.....

    i bet there are odds on what numbers get sucked up more. strange world. i know.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 11, 2011 - 10:54 PM ET #16

    With scratch tickets, there is/are DEFINITELY people within each Lottery that know where the biggest tickets are by lot number.
    My question is does she have an inside connection within the Lottery that provides her with information whereas she can go and buy every $10 or $20 ticket for a particular game at a particular store because someone within the Lottery tipped her off that a big winner is in a certain store?
    As far as I know people working for the Lottery can't win and some can't play within the state they work for because no one would play because we'd think it was rigged. Maybe someone within the Lottery has partnered with this lady because they can't play the Lottery but is tipping her off and they are splitting profits? Just a thought.
    Think about this: The odds are high that a store sells 2 big winning tickets. So the odds are astronomical that a store sells 2 big winners to the same person.
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    With scratch tickets, there is/are DEFINITELY people within each Lottery that know where the biggest tickets are by lot number.
    My question is does she have an inside connection within the Lottery that provides her with information whereas she can go and buy every $10 or $20 ticket for a particular game at a particular store because someone within the Lottery tipped her off that a big winner is in a certain store?
    As far as I know people working for the Lottery can't win and some can't play within the state they work for because no one would play because we'd think it was rigged. Maybe someone within the Lottery has partnered with this lady because they can't play the Lottery but is tipping her off and they are splitting profits? Just a thought.
    Think about this: The odds are high that a store sells 2 big winning tickets. So the odds are astronomical that a store sells 2 big winners to the same person.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:

    With scratch tickets, there is/are DEFINITELY people within each Lottery that know where the biggest tickets are by lot number.
    My question is does she have an inside connection within the Lottery that provides her with information whereas she can go and buy every $10 or $20 ticket for a particular game at a particular store because someone within the Lottery tipped her off that a big winner is in a certain store?
    As far as I know people working for the Lottery can't win and some can't play within the state they work for because no one would play because we'd think it was rigged. Maybe someone within the Lottery has partnered with this lady because they can't play the Lottery but is tipping her off and they are splitting profits? Just a thought.
    Think about this: The odds are high that a store sells 2 big winning tickets. So the odds are astronomical that a store sells 2 big winners to the same person.


    exactly   Thats what am saying also.
    There is just no way possible any math formula could tell her where the winning ticket was being sent to. With the thousands of stores that sell tickets in texas, theres no way even if she knew the number of the winning ticket, she still couldnt know where it was shipped to. Only way this could be done is by somebody who works for the lottery, who knows which ticket is the jackpot ticket and what store its being sent to. Then this lady goes to that store and starts buying up tickets.
    All this stanford math formula stuff is just bullshit to distract from what is really taking place, a crooked lottery person.


     a math formula that knows what ticket is the jackpot ticket and where it will be shipped out to, is some funny shit.  Anybody that believes this fairy tale, i will sell you the brookyln bridge
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilitokid:

    With scratch tickets, there is/are DEFINITELY people within each Lottery that know where the biggest tickets are by lot number.
    My question is does she have an inside connection within the Lottery that provides her with information whereas she can go and buy every $10 or $20 ticket for a particular game at a particular store because someone within the Lottery tipped her off that a big winner is in a certain store?
    As far as I know people working for the Lottery can't win and some can't play within the state they work for because no one would play because we'd think it was rigged. Maybe someone within the Lottery has partnered with this lady because they can't play the Lottery but is tipping her off and they are splitting profits? Just a thought.
    Think about this: The odds are high that a store sells 2 big winning tickets. So the odds are astronomical that a store sells 2 big winners to the same person.


    exactly   Thats what am saying also.
    There is just no way possible any math formula could tell her where the winning ticket was being sent to. With the thousands of stores that sell tickets in texas, theres no way even if she knew the number of the winning ticket, she still couldnt know where it was shipped to. Only way this could be done is by somebody who works for the lottery, who knows which ticket is the jackpot ticket and what store its being sent to. Then this lady goes to that store and starts buying up tickets.
    All this stanford math formula stuff is just bullshit to distract from what is really taking place, a crooked lottery person.


     a math formula that knows what ticket is the jackpot ticket and where it will be shipped out to, is some funny shit.  Anybody that believes this fairy tale, i will sell you the brookyln bridge
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