lots of mixed opinions on ev's, but they seem like short distance grocery getters imho, and the logistics nightmare it would be to plan a long distance destination trying to map out, what seems like minimal charging stations, on your journey would be a headache
.....sticking with internal combustion engine's and investigating hybrid
Yeah I think the same,, if you live in big city NYC, Chicago, SF London etc they can make sense and you can avoid local congestion charges and taxes and so forth but living in a small town/city and commuting medium sized distances everyday better off with gas or diesel or hybrid
I think it is kind of a fad but to keep the environmentalists happy it will be here to stay
Europe in a few years I believe (2030) will ban all sales of cars that are gas or diesel powered
Look at the problems Tesla are having at the moment 
and their much vaunted Cybertruck is turning out to basically garbage
Know a few people w/ hybrids and they seem to have the best of both worlds. 30-40 mile range on electric for all your quickie errands and then gas thereafter so you can road trip w/ no worries. One guy only fills up every 3-4 weeks since he has a short commute and can charge at work for free.
But that's a bad example if one is using both electric and gas...that I could see sustaining as a transitional period period as opposed to going straight from gas to electric...if you eliminate the gas and go all electric, which is what they want to happen, then people might have a completely different opinion....tell your friends to go all electric an no gas for a year or two and then report back...
how does ones opinion change with power outages, places to find to charge and how does cold weather play into it...these seem to be the complaints thus far, along with not being able to travel very far without having to stop and charge for 30-40 minutes and I am not sure that gives you a full charge...most can be in and out of a gas station in 5 minutes or less and know they can get 300-500 miles off that purchase....electricity isn't cheap in your home right now so what will it cost out and about once we go all electric...that electricity won't be free when it's in mass use...you can't even go all solar panel on homes in California without still having Edison involved and receiving money still...seems odd to me...
...someone correct me if i'm wrong, but my understanding is a typical charge takes about three to four hours, unless of course you pay more money for rapid charge......three to four hour charge would only be conceivable if your vehicle was parked at your residence doing home charging
....where are all the mass charging stations? 
I would not buy any EV vehicle for at least 20 years...... Way too many bugs... How long can An EV last if you bought a new one today ???
How much would it cost to replace the battery that will crap out at some point on your Expensive EV ?????.
I remember when I phones first came out ,and everyone was rushing to buy one.
How many of you still use and love your " I - Phone 3 " Or 4 ????
And Tesla batteries weigh a whopping 900 pounds and are about the size of the trunk....that's no small battery....
Huge economical problem with moving solely to battery operated anything at this level....seems like we would be essentially shifting emissions problems from air with gas to land with batteries given that disposing of 900 pound batteries with all those cells will create another economic problem.....and you get about 300,000-500,000 miles on a Tesla battery or about 1,500 times charging....
And we all know that phone batteries and rechargeable batteries tend to do worse after many times of charging and recharging.....and no one talks about the electrical usage needed to charge these cars on a mass scale...many changes to power infrastructure would be needed on a mass scale to bring current to these households and charging stations and I am not sure the current grids in the US could handle such a large scaled power surge of this proportion, so this moving to electrical for cars is a monumental undertaking...not saying it cannot be done, but we are looking at the next industrial revolution of epic proportions to make this happen based on the ideals that are being put out there....luckily there is already some infrastructure in place but you will half to take ordinary power stations and double or triple or quadruple their size plus the grids and equipment to get that power to the people and to those stations...I think this only works right now because it is on a small scale but they went to move to a mass scale and I am not sure they have really thought this through from an engineering and power perspective....
and ev's have been out for a little less than 15 years and they make up about 1-3% of the vehicles out on the road today...that's not a whole lot of interest...
@pipedoctor
Pipe-not anytime soon unless it is a hydrid; I would think about it in a temperate climate such as San Diego where the gas is not cheap and well-populated with plenty of charging stations. not so much in the frozen tundra of the north ie. Alberta Canada; charging stations are far apart and the 6 months of winter cold significantly decrease the advertised milage between charges by half...
Or at work.
California doesn't suffer from brown outs so much. More specifically, PG&E will literally shut the grid down in some regions with overhead powerlines due to fire safety.
Calif seems to go overboard with extremes but in some ways they have been far ahead of the US with regards to exploring alternatives. I think they need to temper things and balance a bit better.
Calif has been in the EV vehicle space longer than anywhere else, Toyota was leasing a Rav4EV back in 1997 because Calif gave them tax breaks and opportunity and currently Calif has been allowing hydrogen vehicles over eight years ago while the rest of the US probably has zero idea there is a Toyota hydrogen vehicle even in production.
I think there are great advantages because Calif takes risks that other states will not, we do not consider the value in funding exploration and how the US population benefits from taking those risks.
Read today that scumbag thieves are cutting the charging cables for the copper from charging stations across the country. Imagine driving & planning to charge your car along the way, only to learn you can't. Ownership of these charging stations are now dealing with repair costs which will most probably will be passed down to the consumer. Price of copper is at a new record high.
One provider, Electrify America, has experienced incidents at 129 of their 968 stations over the first five months of the year. That's 13% of locations. It's a horrible trend & shareholders will demand an action plan to prevent future thefts. But worse is the loss of customer confidence at the stations. Once learnt once burnt kind of experience.
Tesla stations in Seattle have been targeted 4 times this year. They had 1 incident in 2023.
I would hope local police visit recycling plants that purchase the copper & find out who brings in the most copper for cash.
@Midnight1
That is corporate laziness IMO...I read about that too but it happens when you build charging stations in remote areas without someone watching them or having some security that bad things happen. So that company got what they deserved by building these and not properly keeping them secure. Save costs mentality means you get burnt for that decision.
...does each state provide 'public' charging stations, where a percentage of revenue returns to the state, or is this mostly a privatized capitalist venture regarding 'public' charging stations?........i understand the ideology of the electric vehicle concept, but struggling with the feasibility of being offered reasonable vehicle charging availability for the 'public' stations 
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