But I have never failed a drug test... And at this stage of the game the odds of taking another are about nil.
Just curious what the consensus is for employer responsibility when an employee does fail a drug test. Who should pay for rehab? Should the employer be required to provide employment during rehab?
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Appreciate the answers...
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But I have never failed a drug test... And at this stage of the game the odds of taking another are about nil.
Just curious what the consensus is for employer responsibility when an employee does fail a drug test. Who should pay for rehab? Should the employer be required to provide employment during rehab?
I think the employer should dismiss the employee in a professional manner, but yes. And that is after the test has been checked twice. No and no for the next two.
However I think the term "drug" needs to be redefined.
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I think the employer should dismiss the employee in a professional manner, but yes. And that is after the test has been checked twice. No and no for the next two.
However I think the term "drug" needs to be redefined.
What's up with the employer/drug test threads lately? Any story behind the inquiries?
Ktrain,
Just curiosity. That is all. As to a story. There is not really one.
The main reason I ask is a fascination with what I see as unanswerable questions. If someone fails a drug test and you fire them they are normally going to keep using and if there are children or a spouse, the children or spouse pay the price, not the one taking the drugs.
Also firing someone who failed a drug test is a fast easy solution for the employer but not society. A persons energy has to be directed toward something. A job directs the energy in a positive direction. Unemployment and idle boredom do not always equate to a positive use of time and energy.
If you move them to a "safe" job and keep them on the payroll while paying for a drug rehab where is the line on how long have they got to be clean? And if you can move them to a "safe" job, why not just do that and forget the drug testing?
If someone completes rehab and passes a drug test do you fire them on the next failure? What if it has been 7 years since they completed rehab and a spouse just died? Also, if you make an exception for one and not another, now you are just being racist/sexist/bigoted, or whatever anyone wants to accuse you of when they do not get a second chance. Even though the second person failed the test 1 month after rehab completion and having passed a drug test...
My favorite answer to all above is... You have to look at each situation individually... (Love that answer) This might work for a corporation such as Microsoft that has the revenue and resources to dedicate a department to dealing with failed drug tests. But what about small businesses with less than 25 employees?
As to a story... I could make something up.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:
Rand,
What's up with the employer/drug test threads lately? Any story behind the inquiries?
Ktrain,
Just curiosity. That is all. As to a story. There is not really one.
The main reason I ask is a fascination with what I see as unanswerable questions. If someone fails a drug test and you fire them they are normally going to keep using and if there are children or a spouse, the children or spouse pay the price, not the one taking the drugs.
Also firing someone who failed a drug test is a fast easy solution for the employer but not society. A persons energy has to be directed toward something. A job directs the energy in a positive direction. Unemployment and idle boredom do not always equate to a positive use of time and energy.
If you move them to a "safe" job and keep them on the payroll while paying for a drug rehab where is the line on how long have they got to be clean? And if you can move them to a "safe" job, why not just do that and forget the drug testing?
If someone completes rehab and passes a drug test do you fire them on the next failure? What if it has been 7 years since they completed rehab and a spouse just died? Also, if you make an exception for one and not another, now you are just being racist/sexist/bigoted, or whatever anyone wants to accuse you of when they do not get a second chance. Even though the second person failed the test 1 month after rehab completion and having passed a drug test...
My favorite answer to all above is... You have to look at each situation individually... (Love that answer) This might work for a corporation such as Microsoft that has the revenue and resources to dedicate a department to dealing with failed drug tests. But what about small businesses with less than 25 employees?
People that use drugs and people that smoke cigarettes are a scourge on society. They have a lot in common. Overall, they tend not to be very bright and don't have much common sense. They fail drug tests and get cancer and then look around for someone else to blame.
They both miss more work days due to health issues and also tend to be less productive when they are at work. They put a strain on the health care system because of their unhealthy lifestyle. The money they waste on their habits contributes nothing to the economy. That money they throw away could be much better spent on material items that create and maintain jobs which keeps the economy running.
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People that use drugs and people that smoke cigarettes are a scourge on society. They have a lot in common. Overall, they tend not to be very bright and don't have much common sense. They fail drug tests and get cancer and then look around for someone else to blame.
They both miss more work days due to health issues and also tend to be less productive when they are at work. They put a strain on the health care system because of their unhealthy lifestyle. The money they waste on their habits contributes nothing to the economy. That money they throw away could be much better spent on material items that create and maintain jobs which keeps the economy running.
Most health insurance plans do cover chemical dependency treatment. Certainly at different levels depending on the plan, but to suggest an employer cover it is just flat crazy.
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Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:
Suggesting that employers pick up the rehab bill.
Most health insurance plans do cover chemical dependency treatment. Certainly at different levels depending on the plan, but to suggest an employer cover it is just flat crazy.
Impossible. So you're going to write a policy that says if you're drinking, but just a file clerk, you keep your job. But if you're an Executive Assistant using coke, you lose your job. What if a person is drunk and high? What about hash? How do you evaluate "equally dangerous" jobs so to speak?
Good luck with all that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Messier-11:
Depends what drug and what your job is
Impossible. So you're going to write a policy that says if you're drinking, but just a file clerk, you keep your job. But if you're an Executive Assistant using coke, you lose your job. What if a person is drunk and high? What about hash? How do you evaluate "equally dangerous" jobs so to speak?
People that use drugs and people that smoke cigarettes are a scourge on society. They have a lot in common. Overall, they tend not to be very bright and don't have much common sense. They fail drug tests and get cancer and then look around for someone else to blame.
They both miss more work days due to health issues and also tend to be less productive when they are at work. They put a strain on the health care system because of their unhealthy lifestyle. The money they waste on their habits contributes nothing to the economy. That money they throw away could be much better spent on material items that create and maintain jobs which keeps the economy running.
The biggest drain on our health care system is the soda/fast food/alcohol
We all know Marijuana isn't half as bad as alcohol so it should be legalized and profited from just like alcohol. The old conservative shrivs are dying off and maybe in a hundred years it will be legal
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Quote Originally Posted by gregd1958:
People that use drugs and people that smoke cigarettes are a scourge on society. They have a lot in common. Overall, they tend not to be very bright and don't have much common sense. They fail drug tests and get cancer and then look around for someone else to blame.
They both miss more work days due to health issues and also tend to be less productive when they are at work. They put a strain on the health care system because of their unhealthy lifestyle. The money they waste on their habits contributes nothing to the economy. That money they throw away could be much better spent on material items that create and maintain jobs which keeps the economy running.
The biggest drain on our health care system is the soda/fast food/alcohol
We all know Marijuana isn't half as bad as alcohol so it should be legalized and profited from just like alcohol. The old conservative shrivs are dying off and maybe in a hundred years it will be legal
Impossible. So you're going to write a policy that says if you're drinking, but just a file clerk, you keep your job. But if you're an Executive Assistant using coke, you lose your job. What if a person is drunk and high? What about hash? How do you evaluate "equally dangerous" jobs so to speak?
Good luck with all that.
This is the biggest question to solve imo. That and my belief that drugs need to be reclassified.
Different drugs are going to have different effects on different types of jobs. Prescription drugs may actually be more harmful than a recreational marijuana user that doesn't show up to work high. However, one is ok by testing standards(provided they have a prescription) and one is not.
My last job was a government contract job and we were required to submit to random drug testing. Do weed or coke on the weekend and it could lead to termination. However if you had a prescription for pain killers or phentermene(sp?), which several of us did, and you would pass the test no problem because of your prescription. Regardless if you were showing up to work under the influence or if it negatively affected your performance.
Interesting discussion
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
Impossible. So you're going to write a policy that says if you're drinking, but just a file clerk, you keep your job. But if you're an Executive Assistant using coke, you lose your job. What if a person is drunk and high? What about hash? How do you evaluate "equally dangerous" jobs so to speak?
Good luck with all that.
This is the biggest question to solve imo. That and my belief that drugs need to be reclassified.
Different drugs are going to have different effects on different types of jobs. Prescription drugs may actually be more harmful than a recreational marijuana user that doesn't show up to work high. However, one is ok by testing standards(provided they have a prescription) and one is not.
My last job was a government contract job and we were required to submit to random drug testing. Do weed or coke on the weekend and it could lead to termination. However if you had a prescription for pain killers or phentermene(sp?), which several of us did, and you would pass the test no problem because of your prescription. Regardless if you were showing up to work under the influence or if it negatively affected your performance.
People that use drugs and people that smoke cigarettes are a scourge on society. They have a lot in common. Overall, they tend not to be very bright and don't have much common sense. They fail drug tests and get cancer and then look around for someone else to blame.
They both miss more work days due to health issues and also tend to be less productive when they are at work. They put a strain on the health care system because of their unhealthy lifestyle. The money they waste on their habits contributes nothing to the economy. That money they throw away could be much better spent on material items that create and maintain jobs which keeps the economy running.
is Tool your 1st middle or last name?
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Quote Originally Posted by gregd1958:
People that use drugs and people that smoke cigarettes are a scourge on society. They have a lot in common. Overall, they tend not to be very bright and don't have much common sense. They fail drug tests and get cancer and then look around for someone else to blame.
They both miss more work days due to health issues and also tend to be less productive when they are at work. They put a strain on the health care system because of their unhealthy lifestyle. The money they waste on their habits contributes nothing to the economy. That money they throw away could be much better spent on material items that create and maintain jobs which keeps the economy running.
The biggest drain on our health care system is the soda/fast food/alcohol
We all know Marijuana isn't half as bad as alcohol so it should be legalized and profited from just like alcohol. The old conservative shrivs are dying off and maybe in a hundred years it will be legal
Solid post there Dillon.
Obesity kills/harms more people every year in the US than drugs ever thought about doing. Food and overeating act the same way as an addictive drug for lots of people, the results just take a little longer to develop most of the time. I don't think we should legalize hard core drugs like crack or meth but I think that firing someone who smokes weed is ridiculous unless they are doing it at work. Many employers have banned smoking on premises and I don't know of too many that allow alcohol consumption unless its part of your business(bar, brewery, etc..)
The sad part is it is obesity is getting much worse. Kids that are at a healthy weight is no longer the norm especially in lower income areas.
Healthcare costs are going to drain our economy and the average persons bank accounts slowly.
GL
Mike
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Quote Originally Posted by dillon24:
The biggest drain on our health care system is the soda/fast food/alcohol
We all know Marijuana isn't half as bad as alcohol so it should be legalized and profited from just like alcohol. The old conservative shrivs are dying off and maybe in a hundred years it will be legal
Solid post there Dillon.
Obesity kills/harms more people every year in the US than drugs ever thought about doing. Food and overeating act the same way as an addictive drug for lots of people, the results just take a little longer to develop most of the time. I don't think we should legalize hard core drugs like crack or meth but I think that firing someone who smokes weed is ridiculous unless they are doing it at work. Many employers have banned smoking on premises and I don't know of too many that allow alcohol consumption unless its part of your business(bar, brewery, etc..)
The sad part is it is obesity is getting much worse. Kids that are at a healthy weight is no longer the norm especially in lower income areas.
Healthcare costs are going to drain our economy and the average persons bank accounts slowly.
I get a kick out of the people who say they believe in the united states constitution, the bill of rights, and the declaration of independence, but when it comes to private life and the private sector, those documents are void.
I just can’t get around the idea that you can get drunk everyday and pop prescription drugs, but if you do other chemicals… you’re fired?
The hypocrisy of our democratic republic…
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No No No
I get a kick out of the people who say they believe in the united states constitution, the bill of rights, and the declaration of independence, but when it comes to private life and the private sector, those documents are void.
I just can’t get around the idea that you can get drunk everyday and pop prescription drugs, but if you do other chemicals… you’re fired?
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FIRE HIM THEN RUN LIKE HELL.
Suggesting that employers pick up the rehab bill.
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