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    FDR was called a socialist by his contemporaries

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    Posted: Sep. 22, 2011 - 10:08 PM ET #1

    He also spent tons of money creating programs that had little to no success.

    No he's widely seen as the greatest president of all time.

    I'm not a political expert, but the parallels to today cant be ignored
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    He also spent tons of money creating programs that had little to no success.

    No he's widely seen as the greatest president of all time.

    I'm not a political expert, but the parallels to today cant be ignored
     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2011 - 3:35 PM ET #2

    he and his policies must have been doing something right because he was re-elected three times.

    FDR probably saved this country from becoming either a Fascist or Communist dictatorship back then. there were a lot of American industrialists AND workers that thought the NAZI model in Germany was the way to go because they created so many jobs after Hitler came to power  

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    he and his policies must have been doing something right because he was re-elected three times.

    FDR probably saved this country from becoming either a Fascist or Communist dictatorship back then. there were a lot of American industrialists AND workers that thought the NAZI model in Germany was the way to go because they created so many jobs after Hitler came to power  

     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 1:29 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    he and his policies must have been doing something right because he was re-elected three times.


    According to that logic Bush was a great president, being 'elected' twice and all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    he and his policies must have been doing something right because he was re-elected three times.


    According to that logic Bush was a great president, being 'elected' twice and all...
     
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    FDR was also the architect of the new deal and he also worked on the 2 bill of rights which was never put in place in USA due to his passing.

    However this thought of mind was not put to rest because many of his advisor's who had worked on it, put it into the foundation for the Marshall plan.

    In fact the make up of modern western Europe is based on those thoughts in the second bill of rights.

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    The Second Bill of Rights was a list of rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then President of the United States, during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944. In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

    • Employment, with a living wage,
    • Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
    • Housing,
    • Medical care,
    • Education, and,
    • Social security
    That is very much the way we look at things in Europe over these last 50-60 years.


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    FDR was also the architect of the new deal and he also worked on the 2 bill of rights which was never put in place in USA due to his passing.

    However this thought of mind was not put to rest because many of his advisor's who had worked on it, put it into the foundation for the Marshall plan.

    In fact the make up of modern western Europe is based on those thoughts in the second bill of rights.

    --

    The Second Bill of Rights was a list of rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt, the then President of the United States, during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944. In his address Roosevelt suggested that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second "bill of rights". Roosevelt's argument was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

    • Employment, with a living wage,
    • Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
    • Housing,
    • Medical care,
    • Education, and,
    • Social security
    That is very much the way we look at things in Europe over these last 50-60 years.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 2:39 PM ET #5

    Few Americans know that FDR proposed a Second American Bill of Rights.  Even fewer know exactly what that Second Bill of Rights included.  A close look at the quality of life that Europeans enjoy and that Americans wonder why they are denied, reveals that the Marshall Plan required that European nations were required to provide many of the rights that FDR thought that Americans should enjoy.

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    Few Americans know that FDR proposed a Second American Bill of Rights.  Even fewer know exactly what that Second Bill of Rights included.  A close look at the quality of life that Europeans enjoy and that Americans wonder why they are denied, reveals that the Marshall Plan required that European nations were required to provide many of the rights that FDR thought that Americans should enjoy.

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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 2:40 PM ET #6

    and no GWB is and will not be remembered as a potus in the same leage as FDR, JFK, Reagan, Clinton.


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    and no GWB is and will not be remembered as a potus in the same leage as FDR, JFK, Reagan, Clinton.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 2:45 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:

    and no GWB is and will not be remembered as a potus in the same leage as FDR, JFK, Reagan, Clinton.


    Worst president ever, hands down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:

    and no GWB is and will not be remembered as a potus in the same leage as FDR, JFK, Reagan, Clinton.


    Worst president ever, hands down.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 4:18 PM ET #8

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.
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    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 5:26 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.


    That is your opinion. I think he is great. A little weak and caving in to the GOP to much but better than the right wing alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.


    That is your opinion. I think he is great. A little weak and caving in to the GOP to much but better than the right wing alternatives.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 5:27 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.
    See an eye doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.
    See an eye doctor.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 9:01 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    See an eye doctor.


    Read an economics article.

    He had everything going his way and things are WAY worse than what he inherited. A real leader, Reagan, took over a far worse situation and turned it around.

    Blammy inherited a recession and turned it into a depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    See an eye doctor.


    Read an economics article.

    He had everything going his way and things are WAY worse than what he inherited. A real leader, Reagan, took over a far worse situation and turned it around.

    Blammy inherited a recession and turned it into a depression.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    Read an economics article.

    He had everything going his way and things are WAY worse than what he inherited. A real leader, Reagan, took over a far worse situation and turned it around.

    Blammy inherited a recession and turned it into a depression.
    You have got to be kidding me. It would be closer to the truth to say he inherited a depression and turned it into a recession. And no, Reagan did not inherit a worse financial mess than Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    Read an economics article.

    He had everything going his way and things are WAY worse than what he inherited. A real leader, Reagan, took over a far worse situation and turned it around.

    Blammy inherited a recession and turned it into a depression.
    You have got to be kidding me. It would be closer to the truth to say he inherited a depression and turned it into a recession. And no, Reagan did not inherit a worse financial mess than Obama.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2011 - 10:21 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

    except that the current ass hat makes him look like a genius.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    You have got to be kidding me. It would be closer to the truth to say he inherited a depression and turned it into a recession. And no, Reagan did not inherit a worse financial mess than Obama.

    Really?

    Spent $800B to increase the unemployment rate 20%.
    Follow the stock market lately? Fast and Furious? Solardra? Provided information to Russia regarding Britain nuclear capacities.  He should be impeached.
    He had 2 years of cart blanche with super filibuster proof majorities to do whatever he wished and here we are.
    And that fucking wife of his globetrotting all over the planet with hundreds of assistants, and then separate planes to boot.

    Who needs their eyes checked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    You have got to be kidding me. It would be closer to the truth to say he inherited a depression and turned it into a recession. And no, Reagan did not inherit a worse financial mess than Obama.

    Really?

    Spent $800B to increase the unemployment rate 20%.
    Follow the stock market lately? Fast and Furious? Solardra? Provided information to Russia regarding Britain nuclear capacities.  He should be impeached.
    He had 2 years of cart blanche with super filibuster proof majorities to do whatever he wished and here we are.
    And that fucking wife of his globetrotting all over the planet with hundreds of assistants, and then separate planes to boot.

    Who needs their eyes checked?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 9:32 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    Read an economics article.

    He had everything going his way and things are WAY worse than what he inherited. A real leader, Reagan, took over a far worse situation and turned it around.


    Tell that to the people in the lower class in America....ppl focus on the rich and middle class and just say fuck the poor people
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    Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:



    Read an economics article.

    He had everything going his way and things are WAY worse than what he inherited. A real leader, Reagan, took over a far worse situation and turned it around.


    Tell that to the people in the lower class in America....ppl focus on the rich and middle class and just say fuck the poor people
     
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     A little weak and caving in to the GOP to much but better than the right wing alternatives.

    a "little weak"? Obama is a bigger box than Jimmy Carter. only guy in Washington weaker is Attorney General Eric Holder BUT that just shows how foolish Obama was with the overall staffing of his administration esp Homeland Security and Finance. Janet Napolitano as HS Director? YIKES!!! every damn "bail out the banks" Wall Street Weasel like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner? that's like hiring the fox to guard the chickens.

    IF the Republicans run ANY candidate that isn't completely FUCK NUTS, Obama will probably lose worse than Jimmy Carter did in 1980 because his liberal base is PISSED. they thought they were voting for a 21st Century FDR and instead they got a re-run of Jimmy Carter.

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     A little weak and caving in to the GOP to much but better than the right wing alternatives.

    a "little weak"? Obama is a bigger box than Jimmy Carter. only guy in Washington weaker is Attorney General Eric Holder BUT that just shows how foolish Obama was with the overall staffing of his administration esp Homeland Security and Finance. Janet Napolitano as HS Director? YIKES!!! every damn "bail out the banks" Wall Street Weasel like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner? that's like hiring the fox to guard the chickens.

    IF the Republicans run ANY candidate that isn't completely FUCK NUTS, Obama will probably lose worse than Jimmy Carter did in 1980 because his liberal base is PISSED. they thought they were voting for a 21st Century FDR and instead they got a re-run of Jimmy Carter.

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2011 - 12:52 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by theblueprint:


    Tell that to the people in the lower class in America....ppl focus on the rich and middle class and just say fuck the poor people


    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but I'll posit a guess.

    The Republicans are the party of the rich.
    The Dims are the party of the poor, impoverished, and downtrodden.

    Which means that the Republicans expand their voter base by generating wealth and raising the standard of living of everyone.

    Conversely the Dims maintain their voter base by keeping people poor and needy, something they have been doing with tremendous success since they gained Congress in 2006.

    Rub your two brain cells together and realize that things started to get really bad in 2006 and the decline has accelerated since then.

    Only a deluded Democrat would argue that things are better now than under Bush or that what obama inherited was worse than what Reagan assumed. Not even close actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theblueprint:


    Tell that to the people in the lower class in America....ppl focus on the rich and middle class and just say fuck the poor people


    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but I'll posit a guess.

    The Republicans are the party of the rich.
    The Dims are the party of the poor, impoverished, and downtrodden.

    Which means that the Republicans expand their voter base by generating wealth and raising the standard of living of everyone.

    Conversely the Dims maintain their voter base by keeping people poor and needy, something they have been doing with tremendous success since they gained Congress in 2006.

    Rub your two brain cells together and realize that things started to get really bad in 2006 and the decline has accelerated since then.

    Only a deluded Democrat would argue that things are better now than under Bush or that what obama inherited was worse than what Reagan assumed. Not even close actually.
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