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    Frontline documentary on Fantasy Sports gambling creates more trouble for we the online gamblers

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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2016 - 11:25 PM ET #1

    Frontline is one of the leading documentary makers in the US and is widely respected by both sides of the political spectrum. It is aired on Public Broadcasting Television which is obviously subsidized by our federal government.

    I was very interested in watching their documentary tonight on fantasy sports gambling. 

    I thought, for the first time, they would explain how a minuscule percentage of winners collect all the profits, thereby opening the eyes of the average joe public bettor to the true odds of winning 'the big prize' or any reasonably sized prize (i.e. virtually nil).

    Did Frontline, a show I love, decide to do this? No they did not.

    Instead, after about 10 minutes of largely worthless fantasy sports gambling explanation, they pulled the old bait and switch on guess who? Us.

    Somehow the program started attacking sports betting websites, their payments processors and revealed the data centers of many offshore books are US based (that is the content for the site may be run out of NY while the actual bet is processed offshore).

    So they tell this to a bigshot government lawyer and he says that of course is 'very interesting' to him and he'll be looking into it.

    Betonline and Pinnacle were featured gambling sites by the documentarians. While I don't use these sites of course, just the fact that ANY online gambling site was featured turns my stomach. We the gamblers, have put up with more than enough to make a simple online bet and over the years we have had our credit card companies block our deposits, had our sites stop sending checks out of fear, and had many of our favorite sites fold up completely.

    With the rise of fantasy sports and more encouragingly, ESPN featuring spreads on their show, we caught a break as betting becomes more mainstream and accepted the general public. 

    But tonight Frontline went out of its way to attack just that, as though this is 2006 and the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act was just passed. 10 years behind the curve...imagine that...

    I'm a bit sick to my stomach because all it takes is the NY State Attorney General to lift a mere finger towards these sites and they will run for the hills like the poker sites did on Black Friday.

    Terrible job by Frontline and terrible job not telling the real story of how there are almost no winners in the fantasy gambling arena.

    Hopefully nothing that adversely affects us comes of this...
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    Frontline is one of the leading documentary makers in the US and is widely respected by both sides of the political spectrum. It is aired on Public Broadcasting Television which is obviously subsidized by our federal government.

    I was very interested in watching their documentary tonight on fantasy sports gambling. 

    I thought, for the first time, they would explain how a minuscule percentage of winners collect all the profits, thereby opening the eyes of the average joe public bettor to the true odds of winning 'the big prize' or any reasonably sized prize (i.e. virtually nil).

    Did Frontline, a show I love, decide to do this? No they did not.

    Instead, after about 10 minutes of largely worthless fantasy sports gambling explanation, they pulled the old bait and switch on guess who? Us.

    Somehow the program started attacking sports betting websites, their payments processors and revealed the data centers of many offshore books are US based (that is the content for the site may be run out of NY while the actual bet is processed offshore).

    So they tell this to a bigshot government lawyer and he says that of course is 'very interesting' to him and he'll be looking into it.

    Betonline and Pinnacle were featured gambling sites by the documentarians. While I don't use these sites of course, just the fact that ANY online gambling site was featured turns my stomach. We the gamblers, have put up with more than enough to make a simple online bet and over the years we have had our credit card companies block our deposits, had our sites stop sending checks out of fear, and had many of our favorite sites fold up completely.

    With the rise of fantasy sports and more encouragingly, ESPN featuring spreads on their show, we caught a break as betting becomes more mainstream and accepted the general public. 

    But tonight Frontline went out of its way to attack just that, as though this is 2006 and the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act was just passed. 10 years behind the curve...imagine that...

    I'm a bit sick to my stomach because all it takes is the NY State Attorney General to lift a mere finger towards these sites and they will run for the hills like the poker sites did on Black Friday.

    Terrible job by Frontline and terrible job not telling the real story of how there are almost no winners in the fantasy gambling arena.

    Hopefully nothing that adversely affects us comes of this...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2016 - 11:39 PM ET #2

    If you want to watch the aforementioned documentary:

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/fantasy-sports-gamble/
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    If you want to watch the aforementioned documentary:

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/fantasy-sports-gamble/
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2016 - 3:22 AM ET #3

    I think everybody knows of betting sites that Americans use. There was a stat out there that like 200-plus million will be bet on the Super Bowl and about 98 percent of it are illegal wagers.

    This doc probably doesn't tell anyone things they don't already know. I do however love how they mixed both fantasy and sports betting in the same video. People told us one was gambling and one wasn't.

    Make up your mind.
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    I think everybody knows of betting sites that Americans use. There was a stat out there that like 200-plus million will be bet on the Super Bowl and about 98 percent of it are illegal wagers.

    This doc probably doesn't tell anyone things they don't already know. I do however love how they mixed both fantasy and sports betting in the same video. People told us one was gambling and one wasn't.

    Make up your mind.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2016 - 4:17 AM ET #4

    unsure why the feds care.
    fantasy poker online gaming
    these industries should be
    regulated but allowed in my opinion.


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    unsure why the feds care.
    fantasy poker online gaming
    these industries should be
    regulated but allowed in my opinion.


     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2016 - 7:23 AM ET #5

    I don't get all the commotion towards gambling in the US, I've been to betting shops in Italy, Germany and of course domestically, All of these shops advertise responsible gambling and have a campaign running to let non gamblers know that gambling can be fun and doesn't have to be this life ruining thing that most non gamblers think it is.

    For all of the positives your country has, This is bordering on Saudi Arabia style with how they want to control what you can and can't do with your money. 
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    I don't get all the commotion towards gambling in the US, I've been to betting shops in Italy, Germany and of course domestically, All of these shops advertise responsible gambling and have a campaign running to let non gamblers know that gambling can be fun and doesn't have to be this life ruining thing that most non gamblers think it is.

    For all of the positives your country has, This is bordering on Saudi Arabia style with how they want to control what you can and can't do with your money. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:

    I don't get all the commotion towards gambling in the US, I've been to betting shops in Italy, Germany and of course domestically, All of these shops advertise responsible gambling and have a campaign running to let non gamblers know that gambling can be fun and doesn't have to be this life ruining thing that most non gamblers think it is.

    For all of the positives your country has, This is bordering on Saudi Arabia style with how they want to control what you can and can't do with your money. 

    The government's primary concern is that it will corrupt the various leagues, particularly college, which of course, after the recent tennis betting scandal, can be true. 

    But there is a Saudi Arabian "morality police" element to it as you noted which politicians grandstand on to 'save the children' and addicts. The rest of us get dragged in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:

    I don't get all the commotion towards gambling in the US, I've been to betting shops in Italy, Germany and of course domestically, All of these shops advertise responsible gambling and have a campaign running to let non gamblers know that gambling can be fun and doesn't have to be this life ruining thing that most non gamblers think it is.

    For all of the positives your country has, This is bordering on Saudi Arabia style with how they want to control what you can and can't do with your money. 

    The government's primary concern is that it will corrupt the various leagues, particularly college, which of course, after the recent tennis betting scandal, can be true. 

    But there is a Saudi Arabian "morality police" element to it as you noted which politicians grandstand on to 'save the children' and addicts. The rest of us get dragged in.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2016 - 8:28 AM ET #7

    its called 'terro'ism

    war on cash is here.
    when u get a check from these sites they tell u to shut up 'dont mention'
    think about it

    'together we shall achieve victory'
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    its called 'terro'ism

    war on cash is here.
    when u get a check from these sites they tell u to shut up 'dont mention'
    think about it

    'together we shall achieve victory'
     
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    The government's job is to enforce the laws.  Sports gambling is illegal in 47 states.

    If enough people want sports gambling legal, they will make that known to their congressmen and the laws will change.

    The fact is a very small percentage of people care about this issue enough to get the law changed, and in the current political climate there is very little consensus to get anything done.
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    The government's job is to enforce the laws.  Sports gambling is illegal in 47 states.

    If enough people want sports gambling legal, they will make that known to their congressmen and the laws will change.

    The fact is a very small percentage of people care about this issue enough to get the law changed, and in the current political climate there is very little consensus to get anything done.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2016 - 12:19 PM ET #10

    I like Frontline a lot, but I have seen several editions over the past couple of years where I really get the impression they were just called in by friendly political types (or maybe short-sellers, or both) to do hit pieces on certain fashionable villains-of-the-moment.  When Frontline is good (ISIS, Putin, drilling off of Ghana), it's very good good.  It's noticeably less thorough when just doing a drive-by piece though. 
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    I like Frontline a lot, but I have seen several editions over the past couple of years where I really get the impression they were just called in by friendly political types (or maybe short-sellers, or both) to do hit pieces on certain fashionable villains-of-the-moment.  When Frontline is good (ISIS, Putin, drilling off of Ghana), it's very good good.  It's noticeably less thorough when just doing a drive-by piece though. 
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2016 - 4:10 PM ET #11

    The same rhetoric BS from the Times write up a few months ago and look who is the correspondent Bogdanich, imagine that. 
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