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    My buddy is coming into 120K. He asks me what to do with the cash. Sounds like a job for Covers.

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    The question is not as simple as it seems. 120k, lump sum. The guy wants investment ideas, but there are a few rather large challenges that he will face:

    1) Outstanding Debts:   Years old, unsettled credit card debt. The debtors have not sued or contacted him in years, but this could be a factor.

    2) Tax implications:       The revenue is coming from the sale of inherited property. He has no idea what the potential tax ramifications will be. For that matter, neither do I.

    My read on the situation is that getting the money into his name with any sort of legitimacy is going to be tough. Banks will report the rather large deposit into his accounts directly to the IRS and any potential investments may be subject to lean by the creditors.

    My advice was to put the money into a coffee can and bury it. Spend the cash as he needs it. Really, I see no way to integrate the capital into his name without collection attorneys and others lining up to get their piece. Perhaps a better way to secure the cash while still being able to access it is for him to divide the money up and put it into several safe deposit boxes. But even then, I am not sure if interested parties will have the ability to attach the boxes. 

    Of course, he wants to invest it in CD's or Blue Chips for his retirement...but I don't see any way to accomplish that without raising a ton of flags.

    At the end of the day, it is a great problem to have, but has a good chance of becoming bittersweet. If it was me I would try and store the cash and either buy bonds or deposit it into many different bank accounts in small chunks over time. It is risky, but really, what good is a bunch of cash if you can't deposit, invest, or spend it?

    In any case, this guy is climbing the walls and actually looking to me for meaningful advice. There are some smart guys on here......Any ideas?

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    The question is not as simple as it seems. 120k, lump sum. The guy wants investment ideas, but there are a few rather large challenges that he will face:

    1) Outstanding Debts:   Years old, unsettled credit card debt. The debtors have not sued or contacted him in years, but this could be a factor.

    2) Tax implications:       The revenue is coming from the sale of inherited property. He has no idea what the potential tax ramifications will be. For that matter, neither do I.

    My read on the situation is that getting the money into his name with any sort of legitimacy is going to be tough. Banks will report the rather large deposit into his accounts directly to the IRS and any potential investments may be subject to lean by the creditors.

    My advice was to put the money into a coffee can and bury it. Spend the cash as he needs it. Really, I see no way to integrate the capital into his name without collection attorneys and others lining up to get their piece. Perhaps a better way to secure the cash while still being able to access it is for him to divide the money up and put it into several safe deposit boxes. But even then, I am not sure if interested parties will have the ability to attach the boxes. 

    Of course, he wants to invest it in CD's or Blue Chips for his retirement...but I don't see any way to accomplish that without raising a ton of flags.

    At the end of the day, it is a great problem to have, but has a good chance of becoming bittersweet. If it was me I would try and store the cash and either buy bonds or deposit it into many different bank accounts in small chunks over time. It is risky, but really, what good is a bunch of cash if you can't deposit, invest, or spend it?

    In any case, this guy is climbing the walls and actually looking to me for meaningful advice. There are some smart guys on here......Any ideas?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2017 - 10:58 AM ET #2

    There's no way around 120k check and the IRS.
    Drop it into a money market account for now until he decides on quality investments. Personally I'd look for an entry point into some quality blue chips but 120 isn't a lot to work with. CDS and bonds are for high 6 to 7 figure retirees imo.
    10 percent annual return is considered very good in stocks unless he takes a more risky approach.
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    There's no way around 120k check and the IRS.
    Drop it into a money market account for now until he decides on quality investments. Personally I'd look for an entry point into some quality blue chips but 120 isn't a lot to work with. CDS and bonds are for high 6 to 7 figure retirees imo.
    10 percent annual return is considered very good in stocks unless he takes a more risky approach.
     
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    Regarding tax implications ... it is not enough money to qualify for inheritance tax, but he will be responsible for capital gains on the property. No avoiding that.

    Not sure if the CC collectors will be notified of his windfall or not.

    I know of a fully secured investment which returns 7% annually, but there is a 100k minimum investment. 
    It is 100% legal and 100% legit (meaning your friend will have to pay taxes on his 7% return) 
    I won't discuss it on here, but if your friend truly has the funds available and is interested, you can PM me and I will provide information. 



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    Regarding tax implications ... it is not enough money to qualify for inheritance tax, but he will be responsible for capital gains on the property. No avoiding that.

    Not sure if the CC collectors will be notified of his windfall or not.

    I know of a fully secured investment which returns 7% annually, but there is a 100k minimum investment. 
    It is 100% legal and 100% legit (meaning your friend will have to pay taxes on his 7% return) 
    I won't discuss it on here, but if your friend truly has the funds available and is interested, you can PM me and I will provide information. 



     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2017 - 11:16 AM ET #4

    7% is super good. I'd seriously look into what Hugh knows.
    I certainly will if the Jays win tonight.
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    7% is super good. I'd seriously look into what Hugh knows.
    I certainly will if the Jays win tonight.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    There's no way around 120k check and the IRS.
    Drop it into a money market account for now until he decides on quality investments. Personally I'd look for an entry point into some quality blue chips but 120 isn't a lot to work with. CDS and bonds are for high 6 to 7 figure retirees imo.
    10 percent annual return is considered very good in stocks unless he takes a more risky approach.

    I agree.

    My biggest question is this: Will his creditors be able to lean his money market or investment account as payment for the outstanding debts?

    I have no idea on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    There's no way around 120k check and the IRS.
    Drop it into a money market account for now until he decides on quality investments. Personally I'd look for an entry point into some quality blue chips but 120 isn't a lot to work with. CDS and bonds are for high 6 to 7 figure retirees imo.
    10 percent annual return is considered very good in stocks unless he takes a more risky approach.

    I agree.

    My biggest question is this: Will his creditors be able to lean his money market or investment account as payment for the outstanding debts?

    I have no idea on that one.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    Regarding tax implications ... it is not enough money to qualify for inheritance tax, but he will be responsible for capital gains on the property. No avoiding that.

    Not sure if the CC collectors will be notified of his windfall or not.

    I know of a fully secured investment which returns 7% annually, but there is a 100k minimum investment. 
    It is 100% legal and 100% legit (meaning your friend will have to pay taxes on his 7% return) 
    I won't discuss it on here, but if your friend truly has the funds available and is interested, you can PM me and I will provide information. 



    I sent you a PM. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    Regarding tax implications ... it is not enough money to qualify for inheritance tax, but he will be responsible for capital gains on the property. No avoiding that.

    Not sure if the CC collectors will be notified of his windfall or not.

    I know of a fully secured investment which returns 7% annually, but there is a 100k minimum investment. 
    It is 100% legal and 100% legit (meaning your friend will have to pay taxes on his 7% return) 
    I won't discuss it on here, but if your friend truly has the funds available and is interested, you can PM me and I will provide information. 



    I sent you a PM. Thanks in advance.

     
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    pit it all on patriots to win superbowl, worry about taxes after you get the 1st or 2nd letter, no later.
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    pit it all on patriots to win superbowl, worry about taxes after you get the 1st or 2nd letter, no later.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    I agree.

    My biggest question is this: Will his creditors be able to lean his money market or investment account as payment for the outstanding debts?

    I have no idea on that one.


    Depends. Was there any sort of judgment against him in a court of law where he was present?. If they are just credit card debts then hell no, they cannot even file against him. By now those creditors are 3rd or 4th party collection agencies that send threatening court notices. All of it is nonsense, they cannot touch a penny.

    Rebuilding credit would be a good idea for him also. You can get a secured credit card for say1- 2k up front. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    I agree.

    My biggest question is this: Will his creditors be able to lean his money market or investment account as payment for the outstanding debts?

    I have no idea on that one.


    Depends. Was there any sort of judgment against him in a court of law where he was present?. If they are just credit card debts then hell no, they cannot even file against him. By now those creditors are 3rd or 4th party collection agencies that send threatening court notices. All of it is nonsense, they cannot touch a penny.

    Rebuilding credit would be a good idea for him also. You can get a secured credit card for say1- 2k up front. 

     
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    ....Also good to know. Any equities your friend purchases are not taxed on capital gains unless he sells shares. Example if he buys 1000 shares of Mcd at 80.00 per share and the stock grows to 110. His new worth increases & so does his borrowing power. Then he can start a margin account and borrow against his portfolio and really play hardball in the stock market. 
    I did. 3 million down the toity. 
    Not my fault, terrorists did it.
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    ....Also good to know. Any equities your friend purchases are not taxed on capital gains unless he sells shares. Example if he buys 1000 shares of Mcd at 80.00 per share and the stock grows to 110. His new worth increases & so does his borrowing power. Then he can start a margin account and borrow against his portfolio and really play hardball in the stock market. 
    I did. 3 million down the toity. 
    Not my fault, terrorists did it.
     
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    buy a phatt watch
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    Buy some good Connor McDavid rookie cards, wait a few years and take them to auction    
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    I sent you a PM. Thanks in advance.


    I responded 
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    I sent you a PM. Thanks in advance.


    I responded 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfnPOO:

    buy a phatt watch

    I just know that Poo has some major bling  
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    buy a phatt watch

    I just know that Poo has some major bling  
     
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    Tell him to try loan sharking for a while.  Honestly. Its all underground, so his creditors can't touch it, and its highly lucrative.  A lot better than 7%.....try 40%return 
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    Tell him to try loan sharking for a while.  Honestly. Its all underground, so his creditors can't touch it, and its highly lucrative.  A lot better than 7%.....try 40%return 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

    Tell him to try loan sharking for a while.  Honestly. Its all underground, so his creditors can't touch it, and its highly lucrative.  A lot better than 7%.....try 40%return 

    I have a 'friend' (cough cough) who used to do that back in the 80's
    He was making 40% annually on his cash, which sounds nice.

    The problem is that you are lending to people who are already in financial trouble, so a large percentage of them cannot make their payments. So my friend had people who would collect the money for him, but they would get 40% of whatever they collected, so there's goes the profit from that customer. 

    There is also a lot of bad debt, as customers will take off, or refuse to pay and go to the police when threatened.

    Anyone with any kind of a heart can not be in that game.
    My friend would let people slide too often, saving them an asss beating because he felt bad for them.

    There was also quite a few visits from detectives who were following up on complaints against threats (or worse) that my friends, friends had made.

    I believe my friend still made money, but 40% is a pipe dream.
    Probably closer to 10%, and for that return it is not worth the troubles 
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

    Tell him to try loan sharking for a while.  Honestly. Its all underground, so his creditors can't touch it, and its highly lucrative.  A lot better than 7%.....try 40%return 

    I have a 'friend' (cough cough) who used to do that back in the 80's
    He was making 40% annually on his cash, which sounds nice.

    The problem is that you are lending to people who are already in financial trouble, so a large percentage of them cannot make their payments. So my friend had people who would collect the money for him, but they would get 40% of whatever they collected, so there's goes the profit from that customer. 

    There is also a lot of bad debt, as customers will take off, or refuse to pay and go to the police when threatened.

    Anyone with any kind of a heart can not be in that game.
    My friend would let people slide too often, saving them an asss beating because he felt bad for them.

    There was also quite a few visits from detectives who were following up on complaints against threats (or worse) that my friends, friends had made.

    I believe my friend still made money, but 40% is a pipe dream.
    Probably closer to 10%, and for that return it is not worth the troubles 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    ....Also good to know. Any equities your friend purchases are not taxed on capital gains unless he sells shares. Example if he buys 1000 shares of Mcd at 80.00 per share and the stock grows to 110. His new worth increases & so does his borrowing power. Then he can start a margin account and borrow against his portfolio and really play hardball in the stock market. 
    I did. 3 million down the toity. 
    Not my fault, terrorists did it.

    Wow. 3 mill is a big #.....and no, the guy doesn't have any judgments against him as of yet. The debt is all credit cards....curious to see how this thing pans out.

    It would be tough to run a loansharking operation in a rural area like Montana...not enough potential clients. More than likely the cash would end up going to fund a meth lab somewhere.

    I don't know what he is going to do, but I will pass along some of the ideas here.

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    ....Also good to know. Any equities your friend purchases are not taxed on capital gains unless he sells shares. Example if he buys 1000 shares of Mcd at 80.00 per share and the stock grows to 110. His new worth increases & so does his borrowing power. Then he can start a margin account and borrow against his portfolio and really play hardball in the stock market. 
    I did. 3 million down the toity. 
    Not my fault, terrorists did it.

    Wow. 3 mill is a big #.....and no, the guy doesn't have any judgments against him as of yet. The debt is all credit cards....curious to see how this thing pans out.

    It would be tough to run a loansharking operation in a rural area like Montana...not enough potential clients. More than likely the cash would end up going to fund a meth lab somewhere.

    I don't know what he is going to do, but I will pass along some of the ideas here.

     
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    Yes, the recycling stolen copper wire gig is very profitable until the FBI visits.
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    Yes, the recycling stolen copper wire gig is very profitable until the FBI visits.
     
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    Get into Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Gold and sit.


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    Get into Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Gold and sit.


     
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    There's no inheritance tax on the cash & creditors won't know about the windfall-even with a large deposit into an account. Put it into a fidelity account & don't blow the money. Good luck.
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    There's no inheritance tax on the cash & creditors won't know about the windfall-even with a large deposit into an account. Put it into a fidelity account & don't blow the money. Good luck.
     
     
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    How long ago did Friend blow off the CCs? This is unsecured debt and the card companys likely sold the debt to collection agencys at a reduced rate and these are the people that have been calling at 8:30 am.If he hasen't been getting calls lately the statue of limitations has probable run out.In New York this is 6years unless he has made a partial payment then the limit kicks in again.
    Sounds like the statue of limitations has run out on these accounts and your Friend is holding American Dollars which are accepted all around the World. It is Never a problem if you are holding $$$.
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    How long ago did Friend blow off the CCs? This is unsecured debt and the card companys likely sold the debt to collection agencys at a reduced rate and these are the people that have been calling at 8:30 am.If he hasen't been getting calls lately the statue of limitations has probable run out.In New York this is 6years unless he has made a partial payment then the limit kicks in again.
    Sounds like the statue of limitations has run out on these accounts and your Friend is holding American Dollars which are accepted all around the World. It is Never a problem if you are holding $$$.
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