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    Proxima b: Earth-like planet spotted just 4 light year is inhabitable by humans.L

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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 12:58 PM ET #1

    https://www.space.com/proxima-centauri-emits-largest-stellar-flare.html

    It's gone,  Scientists have spotted one of the largest stellar flares ever recorded in our galaxy. The jets of plasma shot outward from the sun's nearest neighbor, the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri. The flare, which was around 100 times more powerful than any experienced in our 

     

     

    Nature could hardly have been kinder to us. The discovery of a potentially habitable planet on our astronomical doorstep is nothing short of astronomers’ wildest dreams coming true.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/across-the-universe/2016/aug/24/proxima-centauri-planet-could-tell-us-about-alien-life-in-the-universe-exoplanet-proxima-b

    The solar flare, if admitted from our sun would destroy all electro magnetic machines and possible disrupt any animals heart rhythm exterminating any surface animals unable to get to shelter from the radiation. 

    If any exterestial specie emerges on the surface of the planet we can then describe intelligent extra terestial life. 

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    https://www.space.com/proxima-centauri-emits-largest-stellar-flare.html

    It's gone,  Scientists have spotted one of the largest stellar flares ever recorded in our galaxy. The jets of plasma shot outward from the sun's nearest neighbor, the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri. The flare, which was around 100 times more powerful than any experienced in our 

     

     

    Nature could hardly have been kinder to us. The discovery of a potentially habitable planet on our astronomical doorstep is nothing short of astronomers’ wildest dreams coming true.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/across-the-universe/2016/aug/24/proxima-centauri-planet-could-tell-us-about-alien-life-in-the-universe-exoplanet-proxima-b

    The solar flare, if admitted from our sun would destroy all electro magnetic machines and possible disrupt any animals heart rhythm exterminating any surface animals unable to get to shelter from the radiation. 

    If any exterestial specie emerges on the surface of the planet we can then describe intelligent extra terestial life. 

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 1:17 PM ET #2

    The chatter from the astronomical society is nearly unanimous that a blast of that magnitude on a earth like planet 20 times closer gives this once possible to support life to not possible without advanced intelligence. 

    The team says the planet is likely to be 30 per cent more massive than Earth, although it could be bigger than that. It orbits the star at a distance of 7.3 million kilometres – less than 5 per cent of the distance between Earth and the sun – making its year last just 11.2 Earth days.

    You might think such a tight orbit would scorch the surface of the planet. But Proxima Centauri is a small, red dwarf star and shines much less fiercely than the sun. Standing on the surface of the planet, you’d see the star as a dull red orb, about three times as large as the sun appears from Earth. As a result, the planet sits in its star’s habitable zone, and its surface temperature may be right for it to host liquid water.

    The planet is rocky, of a similar mass to Earth, and temperate – all conditions that are promising for life. But Proxima b isn’t a second Earth.

     https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130884-100-proxima-b-closest-earth-like-planet-discovered-right-next-door/#ixzz6u0miUGEq

    https://theconversation.com/massive-flare-seen-on-the-closest-star-to-the-solar-system-what-it-means-for-chances-of-alien-neighbors-159991

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    The chatter from the astronomical society is nearly unanimous that a blast of that magnitude on a earth like planet 20 times closer gives this once possible to support life to not possible without advanced intelligence. 

    The team says the planet is likely to be 30 per cent more massive than Earth, although it could be bigger than that. It orbits the star at a distance of 7.3 million kilometres – less than 5 per cent of the distance between Earth and the sun – making its year last just 11.2 Earth days.

    You might think such a tight orbit would scorch the surface of the planet. But Proxima Centauri is a small, red dwarf star and shines much less fiercely than the sun. Standing on the surface of the planet, you’d see the star as a dull red orb, about three times as large as the sun appears from Earth. As a result, the planet sits in its star’s habitable zone, and its surface temperature may be right for it to host liquid water.

    The planet is rocky, of a similar mass to Earth, and temperate – all conditions that are promising for life. But Proxima b isn’t a second Earth.

     https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130884-100-proxima-b-closest-earth-like-planet-discovered-right-next-door/#ixzz6u0miUGEq

    https://theconversation.com/massive-flare-seen-on-the-closest-star-to-the-solar-system-what-it-means-for-chances-of-alien-neighbors-159991

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 1:24 PM ET #3

    Text The ultraviolet light of the star increased by over 10,000 times in just a fraction of a second. If humans could see ultraviolet light, it would be like being blinded by the flash of a camera. Proxima Centauri got bright really fast. This increase lasted for only a couple of seconds, and then there was a gradual decline.

    This discovery confirmed that indeed, these weird millimeter emissions are flares.

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    Text The ultraviolet light of the star increased by over 10,000 times in just a fraction of a second. If humans could see ultraviolet light, it would be like being blinded by the flash of a camera. Proxima Centauri got bright really fast. This increase lasted for only a couple of seconds, and then there was a gradual decline.

    This discovery confirmed that indeed, these weird millimeter emissions are flares.

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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 1:26 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The chatter from the astronomical society is nearly unanimous that a blast of that magnitude on a earth like planet 20 times closer gives this once possible to support life to not possible without advanced intelligence.  The team says the planet is likely to be 30 per cent more massive than Earth, although it could be bigger than that. It orbits the star at a distance of 7.3 million kilometres – less than 5 per cent of the distance between Earth and the sun – making its year last just 11.2 Earth days. You might think such a tight orbit would scorch the surface of the planet. But Proxima Centauri is a small, red dwarf star and shines much less fiercely than the sun. Standing on the surface of the planet, you’d see the star as a dull red orb, about three times as large as the sun appears from Earth. As a result, the planet sits in its star’s habitable zone, and its surface temperature may be right for it to host liquid water. The planet is rocky, of a similar mass to Earth, and temperate – all conditions that are promising for life. But Proxima b isn’t a second Earth.  https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130884-100-proxima-b-closest-earth-like-planet-discovered-right-next-door/#ixzz6u0miUGEq https://theconversation.com/massive-flare-seen-on-the-closest-star-to-the-solar-system-what-it-means-for-chances-of-alien-neighbors-159991

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.aa.07.090169.001053

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    The chatter from the astronomical society is nearly unanimous that a blast of that magnitude on a earth like planet 20 times closer gives this once possible to support life to not possible without advanced intelligence.  The team says the planet is likely to be 30 per cent more massive than Earth, although it could be bigger than that. It orbits the star at a distance of 7.3 million kilometres – less than 5 per cent of the distance between Earth and the sun – making its year last just 11.2 Earth days. You might think such a tight orbit would scorch the surface of the planet. But Proxima Centauri is a small, red dwarf star and shines much less fiercely than the sun. Standing on the surface of the planet, you’d see the star as a dull red orb, about three times as large as the sun appears from Earth. As a result, the planet sits in its star’s habitable zone, and its surface temperature may be right for it to host liquid water. The planet is rocky, of a similar mass to Earth, and temperate – all conditions that are promising for life. But Proxima b isn’t a second Earth.  https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130884-100-proxima-b-closest-earth-like-planet-discovered-right-next-door/#ixzz6u0miUGEq https://theconversation.com/massive-flare-seen-on-the-closest-star-to-the-solar-system-what-it-means-for-chances-of-alien-neighbors-159991

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.aa.07.090169.001053

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 1:33 PM ET #5

    This article sums up the chances of surviving a millimeter escalation in a plasma stream of energy.

    The Sun's magnetic field is the engine and energy source driving all phenomena collectively defining solar activity, which in turn structures the whole heliosphere and significantly impacts Earth's atmosphere down at least to the stratosphere. The solar magnetic field is believed to originate through the action of a hydromagnetic dynamo process operating in the Sun's interior, where the strongly turbulent environment of the convection zone leads to flow-field interactions taking place on an extremely wide range of spatial and temporal scales. Following a necessarily brief observational overview of the solar magnetic field and its cycle, this review on solar dynamo theory is structured around three areas in which significant advances have been made in recent years: (a) global magnetohydrodynamical simulations of convection and magnetic cycles, (b) the turbulent electromotive force and the dynamo saturation problem, and (c) flux transport dynamos, and their application to model cycle fluctuations and grand minima and to carry out cycle prediction.

    So with our technology their is no chance life survived let alone the atmosphere. 

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    This article sums up the chances of surviving a millimeter escalation in a plasma stream of energy.

    The Sun's magnetic field is the engine and energy source driving all phenomena collectively defining solar activity, which in turn structures the whole heliosphere and significantly impacts Earth's atmosphere down at least to the stratosphere. The solar magnetic field is believed to originate through the action of a hydromagnetic dynamo process operating in the Sun's interior, where the strongly turbulent environment of the convection zone leads to flow-field interactions taking place on an extremely wide range of spatial and temporal scales. Following a necessarily brief observational overview of the solar magnetic field and its cycle, this review on solar dynamo theory is structured around three areas in which significant advances have been made in recent years: (a) global magnetohydrodynamical simulations of convection and magnetic cycles, (b) the turbulent electromotive force and the dynamo saturation problem, and (c) flux transport dynamos, and their application to model cycle fluctuations and grand minima and to carry out cycle prediction.

    So with our technology their is no chance life survived let alone the atmosphere. 

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 8:09 PM ET #6

    nature,

    I've thought about this scenario many times while on my lonely drive to and from work. I've come up with the only conclusion that "human beings" can safely travel space but most CURRENT humans are not going to like it. However, future generations will be ok with it. Whether you believe it or not and whether you support it or not, human beings will eventually merge with technology. This is called "transhumanism." As time and technology advances, humans will inevitably merge with machines at which point, (we already are with our metal bone replacement implants. ex: metal hip) we will transfer/upload our minds and consciousness into digital information. It is only that time when we can truly travel the stars and not worry about the damage to our physical bodies or the concept of time. Now for the physical bodies? I'm sure at that point, since technology has progressed that far, with intergalactic travel, if you want to, you can just create a body in a lab and upload a "back up copy" of your consciousness into that body for it to explore space, some planet, experience "life" for a period of time.

    Our current human bodies are not designed for space travel. Just accept it. We have evolved to specifically live on this planet and this planet alone. I've read numerous short articles about the astronauts that have lived in the international space station and the damage that "space" / lack of gravity has done to their body for that short period of time. Enlarged hearts, weakened bones, shorter stature, cellular damage, etc. Our body has evolved with THIS SPECIFIC gravitational constant rate and shielding from the Earth's atmosphere that is unique to THIS PLANET and no where else. For simplistic reasons, just think, if you have sex in space, how will your sperm travel without gravity? How will that child develop in the womb? How will that child develop without gravity? That child's body will be severely different due to the difference in/lack of gravity. Then, think about human beings colonizing different planets. What about the new generation that grow up on there? The minor difference in gravity will affect their growth, development and other aspects. Heck, future human generations on a different planet could possibly evolve into a different human species!

    It's a lot to take in and think about but long story short, if humans want to travel to another planet/explore the stars, we're not going to like HOW we have to change in order to do those tasks.

    Human beings may also have to abandon the notion of time when traveling space. Ever hear of time dilation? It's a mind f*ck topic.. an_getaway

    Due to time dilation, Star Trek and Star Wars will NEVER exist. an_light

    Damage to the human body due to living in space on the ISS:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_spaceflight_on_the_human_body#:~:text=Venturing%20into%20the%20environment%20of,effects%20on%20the%20human%20body.&text=Additional%20symptoms%20include%20fluid%20redistribution,sleep%20disturbance%2C%20and%20excess%20flatulence.

    Transhumanism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism#:~:text=Transhumanism%20is%20a%20philosophical%20movement,longevity%2C%20mood%20and%20cognitive%20abilities.

     

     

    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    nature,

    I've thought about this scenario many times while on my lonely drive to and from work. I've come up with the only conclusion that "human beings" can safely travel space but most CURRENT humans are not going to like it. However, future generations will be ok with it. Whether you believe it or not and whether you support it or not, human beings will eventually merge with technology. This is called "transhumanism." As time and technology advances, humans will inevitably merge with machines at which point, (we already are with our metal bone replacement implants. ex: metal hip) we will transfer/upload our minds and consciousness into digital information. It is only that time when we can truly travel the stars and not worry about the damage to our physical bodies or the concept of time. Now for the physical bodies? I'm sure at that point, since technology has progressed that far, with intergalactic travel, if you want to, you can just create a body in a lab and upload a "back up copy" of your consciousness into that body for it to explore space, some planet, experience "life" for a period of time.

    Our current human bodies are not designed for space travel. Just accept it. We have evolved to specifically live on this planet and this planet alone. I've read numerous short articles about the astronauts that have lived in the international space station and the damage that "space" / lack of gravity has done to their body for that short period of time. Enlarged hearts, weakened bones, shorter stature, cellular damage, etc. Our body has evolved with THIS SPECIFIC gravitational constant rate and shielding from the Earth's atmosphere that is unique to THIS PLANET and no where else. For simplistic reasons, just think, if you have sex in space, how will your sperm travel without gravity? How will that child develop in the womb? How will that child develop without gravity? That child's body will be severely different due to the difference in/lack of gravity. Then, think about human beings colonizing different planets. What about the new generation that grow up on there? The minor difference in gravity will affect their growth, development and other aspects. Heck, future human generations on a different planet could possibly evolve into a different human species!

    It's a lot to take in and think about but long story short, if humans want to travel to another planet/explore the stars, we're not going to like HOW we have to change in order to do those tasks.

    Human beings may also have to abandon the notion of time when traveling space. Ever hear of time dilation? It's a mind f*ck topic.. an_getaway

    Due to time dilation, Star Trek and Star Wars will NEVER exist. an_light

    Damage to the human body due to living in space on the ISS:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_spaceflight_on_the_human_body#:~:text=Venturing%20into%20the%20environment%20of,effects%20on%20the%20human%20body.&text=Additional%20symptoms%20include%20fluid%20redistribution,sleep%20disturbance%2C%20and%20excess%20flatulence.

    Transhumanism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism#:~:text=Transhumanism%20is%20a%20philosophical%20movement,longevity%2C%20mood%20and%20cognitive%20abilities.

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2021 - 8:18 PM ET #7

    Ok say we become the enivayable cyborg.

    That machine and man fold and we all get our visor implants back to be able to shield the tradition of space. 

    We break the time space variable and enhance the time travel , the ability and the being in some metallic living membrane of which we become apart of. The only problem is that that could already exist and the string theory that universe is a true conscious thought. 

    How are we already not avatars most ancient truths focused on this exact principles,  soul body, spirit and the temple that houses it. Etc etc and etc.

    So how isn't that we have had enough. Simply put tired of the entire racket.  And start to replenish the earth of heaven as outside  a few ghosts and even rarer poltergeist haunting  very little of the spirit world can interupt the physical illusion.

    Outside of the reality  of  this conscious we are the last inhabited planet in our specific solar system, we could possibly be just within a vault of an avatar with illusions of time and this physical model of a computer generated design reality perhaps looks more like the matrix with out awareness. 

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    Ok say we become the enivayable cyborg.

    That machine and man fold and we all get our visor implants back to be able to shield the tradition of space. 

    We break the time space variable and enhance the time travel , the ability and the being in some metallic living membrane of which we become apart of. The only problem is that that could already exist and the string theory that universe is a true conscious thought. 

    How are we already not avatars most ancient truths focused on this exact principles,  soul body, spirit and the temple that houses it. Etc etc and etc.

    So how isn't that we have had enough. Simply put tired of the entire racket.  And start to replenish the earth of heaven as outside  a few ghosts and even rarer poltergeist haunting  very little of the spirit world can interupt the physical illusion.

    Outside of the reality  of  this conscious we are the last inhabited planet in our specific solar system, we could possibly be just within a vault of an avatar with illusions of time and this physical model of a computer generated design reality perhaps looks more like the matrix with out awareness. 

     
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    Oh yes, but in the end, traveling to the ends of the universe are pointless. The biggest question that future humans/AI will have to solve is:

    How do you stop entropy? a.k.a the expanding of the universe and eventually all the particles that get ripped apart and have an infinite space in between them? an_eek2an_getaway

    Everything we do, is to counteract entropy.. an_light From eating, to procreating and consuming..

    This video is a mind f*ck but at the end of time at time stamp: 27:30 and the universe is truly mind boggling..

    I watch this video every now and then to remind me of how insignificant I, my meaningless achievements, the human race is relative to the universe and it's immense timescale.. 

     

    "Schrödinger's bet." A bet that loses when you bet it but wins when you DON'T bet it...
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    Oh yes, but in the end, traveling to the ends of the universe are pointless. The biggest question that future humans/AI will have to solve is:

    How do you stop entropy? a.k.a the expanding of the universe and eventually all the particles that get ripped apart and have an infinite space in between them? an_eek2an_getaway

    Everything we do, is to counteract entropy.. an_light From eating, to procreating and consuming..

    This video is a mind f*ck but at the end of time at time stamp: 27:30 and the universe is truly mind boggling..

    I watch this video every now and then to remind me of how insignificant I, my meaningless achievements, the human race is relative to the universe and it's immense timescale.. 

     

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2021 - 9:06 AM ET #9

    Space expansion and decompression has existed as a natural ebb and flow of time.

    In the Ekpyrotic scenario, the universe … constantly repeats. Under that perspective, we are currently in a "bang" phase, which will eventually (somehow) slow down, stop, reverse, and crunch back down to incredibly high temperatures and pressures. Then, the universe will (somehow) bounce back and re-ignite in a new big bang phase.

    The trouble is, it's hard to replicate the blotches and splotches in the baby picture of the universe in an Ekpyrotic universe. When we attempt to put together some vague physics to explain the crunch-bounce-bang cycle (and I do emphasize "vague" here, because these processes involve energies and scales that we aren't even coming close to understanding with known physics), everything just comes out too … smooth. No bumps. No wiggles. No splotches. No differences in temperature, pressure or density.

    And that doesn't just mean the theories don't match observations of the early universe. It means that these cosmologies don't lead to a universe filled with galaxies, stars or even people.

    https://www.space.com/cyclical-universe-explained-string-theory.html

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    Space expansion and decompression has existed as a natural ebb and flow of time.

    In the Ekpyrotic scenario, the universe … constantly repeats. Under that perspective, we are currently in a "bang" phase, which will eventually (somehow) slow down, stop, reverse, and crunch back down to incredibly high temperatures and pressures. Then, the universe will (somehow) bounce back and re-ignite in a new big bang phase.

    The trouble is, it's hard to replicate the blotches and splotches in the baby picture of the universe in an Ekpyrotic universe. When we attempt to put together some vague physics to explain the crunch-bounce-bang cycle (and I do emphasize "vague" here, because these processes involve energies and scales that we aren't even coming close to understanding with known physics), everything just comes out too … smooth. No bumps. No wiggles. No splotches. No differences in temperature, pressure or density.

    And that doesn't just mean the theories don't match observations of the early universe. It means that these cosmologies don't lead to a universe filled with galaxies, stars or even people.

    https://www.space.com/cyclical-universe-explained-string-theory.html

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2021 - 9:11 AM ET #10

    best model for observations would be liquid helium cooled to 2 -4 k would show the expansion and contraction of known space.

    The forces involved are staggering. 

    We are like ecoli. Water moving is a human about 96 percent water in make up. 

    Universe can be described as a expanded lake.

     

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    best model for observations would be liquid helium cooled to 2 -4 k would show the expansion and contraction of known space.

    The forces involved are staggering. 

    We are like ecoli. Water moving is a human about 96 percent water in make up. 

    Universe can be described as a expanded lake.

     

     
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    As for the solar flare model.

    I micronized he2 or li20 element and the ability to react a nucleus to display this whip feature could be the foundation of a sword that could cut anything in any direction. 

    The weapon is described in genesis allegorically but literally a light saber in fiction.

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    As for the solar flare model.

    I micronized he2 or li20 element and the ability to react a nucleus to display this whip feature could be the foundation of a sword that could cut anything in any direction. 

    The weapon is described in genesis allegorically but literally a light saber in fiction.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2021 - 9:47 AM ET #12

    What makes this flare unique is that the star survived the explosion. Proxima is still there, it didn't react to a super novas and stilled displayed energy higher than ever percieved for about 3 second burn time.

    In comparison it would creating an atomic explosion but releasing the energy and keeping the atom relatively intact. 

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    What makes this flare unique is that the star survived the explosion. Proxima is still there, it didn't react to a super novas and stilled displayed energy higher than ever percieved for about 3 second burn time.

    In comparison it would creating an atomic explosion but releasing the energy and keeping the atom relatively intact. 

     
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    " I watch this video every now and then to remind me of how insignificant I, my meaningless achievements, the human race is relative to the universe and it's immense timescale.. "

    I suppose you could pray of it. 

    Trancedental conscious thought of projection is practiced by every organized religion.

    I reflect on this work Abraham 3 :22.

    Abraham 3:22

    22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these

    23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

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    " I watch this video every now and then to remind me of how insignificant I, my meaningless achievements, the human race is relative to the universe and it's immense timescale.. "

    I suppose you could pray of it. 

    Trancedental conscious thought of projection is practiced by every organized religion.

    I reflect on this work Abraham 3 :22.

    Abraham 3:22

    22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these

    23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Space expansion and decompression has existed as a natural ebb and flow of time. In the Ekpyrotic scenario, the universe … constantly repeats. Under that perspective, we are currently in a "bang" phase, which will eventually (somehow) slow down, stop, reverse, and crunch back down to incredibly high temperatures and pressures. Then, the universe will (somehow) bounce back and re-ignite in a new big bang phase. The trouble is, it's hard to replicate the blotches and splotches in the baby picture of the universe in an Ekpyrotic universe. When we attempt to put together some vague physics to explain the crunch-bounce-bang cycle (and I do emphasize "vague" here, because these processes involve energies and scales that we aren't even coming close to understanding with known physics), everything just comes out too … smooth. No bumps. No wiggles. No splotches. No differences in temperature, pressure or density. And that doesn't just mean the theories don't match observations of the early universe. It means that these cosmologies don't lead to a universe filled with galaxies, stars or even people. https://www.space.com/cyclical-universe-explained-string-theory.html

    Where this fails genesis in the bible has a bit more clearance although all the universe would come out smooth and void of deep.

    This written years before Christ by Moses. 

    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    This could explain the true Ekpyrotic  universe . And the existence of stars planet's and indeed life. That the creating God is above this dimensional defined universe caught in the never ending elastic band complex.

    And hence the baby original universe was disrupted from its void nebula condition and reignite not by spontaneously evolving but crested and nurtured to what it appears to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Space expansion and decompression has existed as a natural ebb and flow of time. In the Ekpyrotic scenario, the universe … constantly repeats. Under that perspective, we are currently in a "bang" phase, which will eventually (somehow) slow down, stop, reverse, and crunch back down to incredibly high temperatures and pressures. Then, the universe will (somehow) bounce back and re-ignite in a new big bang phase. The trouble is, it's hard to replicate the blotches and splotches in the baby picture of the universe in an Ekpyrotic universe. When we attempt to put together some vague physics to explain the crunch-bounce-bang cycle (and I do emphasize "vague" here, because these processes involve energies and scales that we aren't even coming close to understanding with known physics), everything just comes out too … smooth. No bumps. No wiggles. No splotches. No differences in temperature, pressure or density. And that doesn't just mean the theories don't match observations of the early universe. It means that these cosmologies don't lead to a universe filled with galaxies, stars or even people. https://www.space.com/cyclical-universe-explained-string-theory.html

    Where this fails genesis in the bible has a bit more clearance although all the universe would come out smooth and void of deep.

    This written years before Christ by Moses. 

    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    This could explain the true Ekpyrotic  universe . And the existence of stars planet's and indeed life. That the creating God is above this dimensional defined universe caught in the never ending elastic band complex.

    And hence the baby original universe was disrupted from its void nebula condition and reignite not by spontaneously evolving but crested and nurtured to what it appears to be.

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