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    So is a fetus a human now?

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    Posted: May. 10, 2013 - 12:35 PM ET #1

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    An Ohio prosecutor who on Thursday pledged to seek murder charges against the Cleveland kidnapping suspect for allegedly pummeling the pregnant stomach of one of his reported victims — causing her to frequently miscarry — may ultimately struggle to prove the blows led to those fetuses' deaths, said one former federal prosecutor.

    To secure a guilty verdict for fetal homicide, prosecutors typically have to show that a killer clearly meant to murder the unborn baby by assaulting the mother in a way that would trigger an early end to the pregnancy."



    How can this person be charged with murder if pro choice people have established a fetus isnt a person? You cant have it both ways. Either a fetus is a human or its not. If its not, you cant be charged for murder

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    An Ohio prosecutor who on Thursday pledged to seek murder charges against the Cleveland kidnapping suspect for allegedly pummeling the pregnant stomach of one of his reported victims — causing her to frequently miscarry — may ultimately struggle to prove the blows led to those fetuses' deaths, said one former federal prosecutor.

    To secure a guilty verdict for fetal homicide, prosecutors typically have to show that a killer clearly meant to murder the unborn baby by assaulting the mother in a way that would trigger an early end to the pregnancy."



    How can this person be charged with murder if pro choice people have established a fetus isnt a person? You cant have it both ways. Either a fetus is a human or its not. If its not, you cant be charged for murder

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2013 - 1:18 PM ET #2

    AMEN!!!!!

    what a bunch of hypocrites, they want it both ways. how can he be charged with murder for something that they claim isn't life.

    they know it's life, they just hide under BS excuses. like a womans right to choose, the woman had a right not to spread her legs and get pregnant. period.

    it's no different if she made the decision to go out and drink and killed someone. the justice system doesn't say it's okay you had the right to choose to get drunk and kill someone, no! we hold people accountable for the decisions they make.

    if your grown up enough to go out and have sex, then you should be grown up enough to accept the reasonablity of raising that baby.

     

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    AMEN!!!!!

    what a bunch of hypocrites, they want it both ways. how can he be charged with murder for something that they claim isn't life.

    they know it's life, they just hide under BS excuses. like a womans right to choose, the woman had a right not to spread her legs and get pregnant. period.

    it's no different if she made the decision to go out and drink and killed someone. the justice system doesn't say it's okay you had the right to choose to get drunk and kill someone, no! we hold people accountable for the decisions they make.

    if your grown up enough to go out and have sex, then you should be grown up enough to accept the reasonablity of raising that baby.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2013 - 1:25 PM ET #3

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    you say if someone kills without the personconsent it's murder. but if they give the consent ( abortion) it's ok.suicide is illegal! that person is giving his consent to die, but it's still illegal.

    assited suicide is illegal. jack kevorkian spent years in prison, the people wanted to die. but it's was still illegal

    abortion is murder period! and for me it's not just my christian belief. it's a damn human belief. my god are people so brainwashed to actually believe that a baby inside the womb with a beating heart isn't a human life.

    have we become that stupid, or is our polictics more important. if people are honest, they would agree with this, but most people would rather see my avatar and just bash.

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    slovak

    you say if someone kills without the personconsent it's murder. but if they give the consent ( abortion) it's ok.suicide is illegal! that person is giving his consent to die, but it's still illegal.

    assited suicide is illegal. jack kevorkian spent years in prison, the people wanted to die. but it's was still illegal

    abortion is murder period! and for me it's not just my christian belief. it's a damn human belief. my god are people so brainwashed to actually believe that a baby inside the womb with a beating heart isn't a human life.

    have we become that stupid, or is our polictics more important. if people are honest, they would agree with this, but most people would rather see my avatar and just bash.

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2013 - 2:29 PM ET #4

    Who cares about murder charges?  Kidnapping and rape will put him away for ever anyways.   Even if they get a death penalty it wouldn't be carried out for a decade.  
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    Who cares about murder charges?  Kidnapping and rape will put him away for ever anyways.   Even if they get a death penalty it wouldn't be carried out for a decade.  
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2013 - 10:33 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by neocon:

    slovak

    you say if someone kills without the personconsent it's murder. but if they give the consent ( abortion) it's ok.suicide is illegal! that person is giving his consent to die, but it's still illegal.

    assited suicide is illegal. jack kevorkian spent years in prison, the people wanted to die. but it's was still illegal

    abortion is murder period! and for me it's not just my christian belief. it's a damn human belief. my god are people so brainwashed to actually believe that a baby inside the womb with a beating heart isn't a human life.

    have we become that stupid, or is our polictics more important. if people are honest, they would agree with this, but most people would rather see my avatar and just bash.

    Everyone should be pro choice.

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    slovak

    you say if someone kills without the personconsent it's murder. but if they give the consent ( abortion) it's ok.suicide is illegal! that person is giving his consent to die, but it's still illegal.

    assited suicide is illegal. jack kevorkian spent years in prison, the people wanted to die. but it's was still illegal

    abortion is murder period! and for me it's not just my christian belief. it's a damn human belief. my god are people so brainwashed to actually believe that a baby inside the womb with a beating heart isn't a human life.

    have we become that stupid, or is our polictics more important. if people are honest, they would agree with this, but most people would rather see my avatar and just bash.

    Everyone should be pro choice.

     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2013 - 10:45 PM ET #6

    you can have it both ways.  there are many terms that have different meanings in the law depending on the context.,  to equate fetus in the murder context with fetus in the abortion context completely ignores the woman's interest on controlling her body, which of course, rightwingers are all too willing to ignore but as we saw in the most recent presidential election, that position does not serve them well because women do in fact have a right to vote.
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    you can have it both ways.  there are many terms that have different meanings in the law depending on the context.,  to equate fetus in the murder context with fetus in the abortion context completely ignores the woman's interest on controlling her body, which of course, rightwingers are all too willing to ignore but as we saw in the most recent presidential election, that position does not serve them well because women do in fact have a right to vote.
     
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    Posted: May. 15, 2013 - 11:15 PM ET #7

    Well there goes me jizzing inside of gals and then kicking them in the p'ussy in the morning to save $75 on plan B.

    Now that it's possibly illegal to do that.

    I will just wear a rubber from now on to avoid that murder charge



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    Well there goes me jizzing inside of gals and then kicking them in the p'ussy in the morning to save $75 on plan B.

    Now that it's possibly illegal to do that.

    I will just wear a rubber from now on to avoid that murder charge



     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 12:22 AM ET #8

    Charging someone with murder of an unborn child is nothing new. Happened many times, even high profile cases like Scott Peterson killing pregnant wife. Convicted of 2 counts of murder in cali
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    Charging someone with murder of an unborn child is nothing new. Happened many times, even high profile cases like Scott Peterson killing pregnant wife. Convicted of 2 counts of murder in cali
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 12:50 AM ET #9



    A prosecutor can make any charges he wants, sometimes under political pressure.  It doesn't mean the suspect will be tried and convicted. 

    In a high profile case like this, you can assume they will throw everything at the proverbial wall of justice and see what sticks.
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    A prosecutor can make any charges he wants, sometimes under political pressure.  It doesn't mean the suspect will be tried and convicted. 

    In a high profile case like this, you can assume they will throw everything at the proverbial wall of justice and see what sticks.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 12:58 AM ET #10

    So if someone punches a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, it is considered murder.

    But if a woman decides to kill the baby inside her, its not murder, its ok...

    Oh, the implications and hypocrisy of atheism.......

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    So if someone punches a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, it is considered murder.

    But if a woman decides to kill the baby inside her, its not murder, its ok...

    Oh, the implications and hypocrisy of atheism.......

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 1:02 AM ET #11

    Yeah Rostos,

    If punching a woman in the stomach post coitus is murder then I am Jack The Ripper
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    Yeah Rostos,

    If punching a woman in the stomach post coitus is murder then I am Jack The Ripper
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 7:31 AM ET #12

    shoot a prego gal and kill her your are up for double homicide.  that is court history already
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    shoot a prego gal and kill her your are up for double homicide.  that is court history already
     
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 10:05 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

     

    How can this person be charged with murder if pro choice people have established a fetus isnt a person? You cant have it both ways. Either a fetus is a human or its not. If its not, you cant be charged for murder



    By your logic, a dog must be human too, because it is against the law to murder a dog.  Abortion is not murder because the law says it is not murder.  End of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

     

    How can this person be charged with murder if pro choice people have established a fetus isnt a person? You cant have it both ways. Either a fetus is a human or its not. If its not, you cant be charged for murder



    By your logic, a dog must be human too, because it is against the law to murder a dog.  Abortion is not murder because the law says it is not murder.  End of discussion.
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