There is a letter from a sane militia member at the top of my post that's an important read of what's really going on in Oregon -- read that, at least.
And feel free to read the rest of my post as well, if you wish.
A friend of mine who lives near the area in Oregon has been hearing Air Force jets (her hubby is a military guy) flying about at night with sonic booms happening frequently.
Something BIG is brewing there right now.
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Guys/gals,
I've posted a post in a discussion forum (it's not a sports site), to wit:
There is a letter from a sane militia member at the top of my post that's an important read of what's really going on in Oregon -- read that, at least.
And feel free to read the rest of my post as well, if you wish.
A friend of mine who lives near the area in Oregon has been hearing Air Force jets (her hubby is a military guy) flying about at night with sonic booms happening frequently.
I'll make it easy for you guys with a paste of the letter from the militia guy:
[Part One]
I'm going to paste in full a very important statement from a sane, level-headed man who is a part of the militia movement, posted in Jim Stone's site...
...that is of critical importance, both the info from this letter, as well as Jim's site.
Here it is:
Here is real word from the Oregon standoff
This is the real deal, so I figured I'd post it in full, especially since it says exactly what I said - that this was all set up by the government and false truthers.
From Christian Yingling:
Ok ...Everybody... please gather around and listen to what I am about to say..Then either shut your mouth, or share this far and wide. If you have ANY faith in me as a leader you will heed what I am about to say. If not..I want nothing to do with you. simple as that.
The key to victory in any battle is the ability to remain calm in any given situation. What we are seeing right now is a whole bunch of people acting based solely on raw emotion. This is very bad and I'm about to explain exactly why. I am not letting my emotions make my decisions for me, but instead, looking at this from a calm, level headed, common sense approach.
What you are all witnessing right now right now in Oregon has the makings of a full on false flag event. And I will prove that to you to the absolute best of my ability. Should you choose to look at this from a logical perspective you will see I am 100% correct. Some of what I will tell you is speculation based on my own experience and experiences of others I have talked to throughout this ordeal, but most of what I am going to tell you is documented verifiable fact.
Back during the Bundy situation, Ryan Payne declared himself the unofficial "leader" of the militias present at the Bundy ranch. Nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, none of the militias listened to him at all. The ONLY ones who listened to him were the Bundy's, Blaine Cooper, who Payne claimed was a "professional security consultant', who turned out to be nothing more than an ex con, and buddah bear (nice name) who he also claimed was a "professional security consultant", but was later discovered to be nothing more than a tattoo artist thug. The militias ignoring these three, is precisely why that situation didnt turn into a blood bath. (strangely enough all three are present at the refuge)
I and Scott Woods were asked on one occasion, by Payne to go and destroy BLM equipment in the middle of the night. We refused, stating that that's not why we were there. We were there solely to defend the family. That very same night he rushed off in a car with a loaded AR to START a violent altercation with LEOs who supposedly had pulled over members of the Armenian Militia off exit 10 near the ranch. This report was never vetted nor was it looked into before he rushed off. It is also well documented that Payne had tried to incite other militia members to start violent altercations with the authorities who were present there. all of which were refused by militia members..all for the same reason...we were NOT there to start a fight...but to DEFEND the family. When people refused, Payne, Cooper, and Buddah ostracized them and ran them off the ranch. This is why most militias left the ranch when they did. One other point worth mentioning was there were militia members present with long range 50 cal sniper rifles... but instead of positioning them on the hilltops surrounding the ranch, Payne had them stationed down in a valley where they were effectively useless...does that sound like the makings of a solid leader to you? And also Payne was always sure to make certain that there was ONE completely UNDEFENDED access point to the ranch.. I brought this up to him asking why he would leave our back door completely open and undefended... and he completely blew me off... What he was doing in fact, was leaving an access point open for authorities to bum rush the ranch if that's what they felt needed to be done. And I have the witnesses to prove it.
Now throughout the situation Payne made repeated threats to law enforcement on NATIONAL media. There's VIDEO of him doing this..its not hard to find. Yet oddly enough with all that evidence he was never charged with anything during or after the standoff. Does that seem ODD to anyone but me? (not if you're a paid provocateur) Now in this situation at the refuge, he has publicly stated to a reporter that he has snipers set up to kill any federal official who approaches the refuge. Yet still.. no charges are being filed against him. making threats like that, you'd think they'd swoop in and scoop him up... but noooo.. because they're giving patriots time to get there... Don't think for one second that with a couple of phone calls to the proper alphabet agencies, those shmucks wont be SORELY outnumbered. Tell you what... if you think LEO's don't take threats against them seriously... go find the nearest cop and walk up to him and tell him you plan to kill police officers and see what happens to you.. See how long it takes for you to end up in prison.. yet Payne roams free..as does Cooper. Better yet go ask Schuyler Barbeau what happens when you threaten a public official... oh wait...you can't... hes in prison... because of a facebook post. Funny how that works huh? Also... has anyone else noticed that until this situation popped up Payne was damned near SILENT on social media? Wonder why that is... Hell, Most of you don't even know who he is... He also claimed to be an Army Ranger, But when we had someone at the Ranger School check their records... they said NO Ryan Payne had EVER attended that school... whoda thunk it?
Myself and Scott begged the Bundys, after we left (via phone) to stop listening to Payne..that he was a plant. But they refused to listen. Payne wouldn't let ANYONE talk to the Bundy's with out him being present..or close by. The Bundy's are good God fearing Christians but they are TERRIBLY naive. They truly believe Payne is one of the good guys. Which is why they are at the refuge now. Do you honestly think for one second it was AMMON's idea to take that building? If you do... you're a fool. They're not that type of people. Ammon has been suckered into this standoff by Payne and Cooper. He truly went up there with the intention of helping the Hammonds, and when they were refused, The Bundy's were made to believe that taking a stand against the BLM was the answer.
(continued in next post)
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I'll make it easy for you guys with a paste of the letter from the militia guy:
[Part One]
I'm going to paste in full a very important statement from a sane, level-headed man who is a part of the militia movement, posted in Jim Stone's site...
...that is of critical importance, both the info from this letter, as well as Jim's site.
Here it is:
Here is real word from the Oregon standoff
This is the real deal, so I figured I'd post it in full, especially since it says exactly what I said - that this was all set up by the government and false truthers.
From Christian Yingling:
Ok ...Everybody... please gather around and listen to what I am about to say..Then either shut your mouth, or share this far and wide. If you have ANY faith in me as a leader you will heed what I am about to say. If not..I want nothing to do with you. simple as that.
The key to victory in any battle is the ability to remain calm in any given situation. What we are seeing right now is a whole bunch of people acting based solely on raw emotion. This is very bad and I'm about to explain exactly why. I am not letting my emotions make my decisions for me, but instead, looking at this from a calm, level headed, common sense approach.
What you are all witnessing right now right now in Oregon has the makings of a full on false flag event. And I will prove that to you to the absolute best of my ability. Should you choose to look at this from a logical perspective you will see I am 100% correct. Some of what I will tell you is speculation based on my own experience and experiences of others I have talked to throughout this ordeal, but most of what I am going to tell you is documented verifiable fact.
Back during the Bundy situation, Ryan Payne declared himself the unofficial "leader" of the militias present at the Bundy ranch. Nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, none of the militias listened to him at all. The ONLY ones who listened to him were the Bundy's, Blaine Cooper, who Payne claimed was a "professional security consultant', who turned out to be nothing more than an ex con, and buddah bear (nice name) who he also claimed was a "professional security consultant", but was later discovered to be nothing more than a tattoo artist thug. The militias ignoring these three, is precisely why that situation didnt turn into a blood bath. (strangely enough all three are present at the refuge)
I and Scott Woods were asked on one occasion, by Payne to go and destroy BLM equipment in the middle of the night. We refused, stating that that's not why we were there. We were there solely to defend the family. That very same night he rushed off in a car with a loaded AR to START a violent altercation with LEOs who supposedly had pulled over members of the Armenian Militia off exit 10 near the ranch. This report was never vetted nor was it looked into before he rushed off. It is also well documented that Payne had tried to incite other militia members to start violent altercations with the authorities who were present there. all of which were refused by militia members..all for the same reason...we were NOT there to start a fight...but to DEFEND the family. When people refused, Payne, Cooper, and Buddah ostracized them and ran them off the ranch. This is why most militias left the ranch when they did. One other point worth mentioning was there were militia members present with long range 50 cal sniper rifles... but instead of positioning them on the hilltops surrounding the ranch, Payne had them stationed down in a valley where they were effectively useless...does that sound like the makings of a solid leader to you? And also Payne was always sure to make certain that there was ONE completely UNDEFENDED access point to the ranch.. I brought this up to him asking why he would leave our back door completely open and undefended... and he completely blew me off... What he was doing in fact, was leaving an access point open for authorities to bum rush the ranch if that's what they felt needed to be done. And I have the witnesses to prove it.
Now throughout the situation Payne made repeated threats to law enforcement on NATIONAL media. There's VIDEO of him doing this..its not hard to find. Yet oddly enough with all that evidence he was never charged with anything during or after the standoff. Does that seem ODD to anyone but me? (not if you're a paid provocateur) Now in this situation at the refuge, he has publicly stated to a reporter that he has snipers set up to kill any federal official who approaches the refuge. Yet still.. no charges are being filed against him. making threats like that, you'd think they'd swoop in and scoop him up... but noooo.. because they're giving patriots time to get there... Don't think for one second that with a couple of phone calls to the proper alphabet agencies, those shmucks wont be SORELY outnumbered. Tell you what... if you think LEO's don't take threats against them seriously... go find the nearest cop and walk up to him and tell him you plan to kill police officers and see what happens to you.. See how long it takes for you to end up in prison.. yet Payne roams free..as does Cooper. Better yet go ask Schuyler Barbeau what happens when you threaten a public official... oh wait...you can't... hes in prison... because of a facebook post. Funny how that works huh? Also... has anyone else noticed that until this situation popped up Payne was damned near SILENT on social media? Wonder why that is... Hell, Most of you don't even know who he is... He also claimed to be an Army Ranger, But when we had someone at the Ranger School check their records... they said NO Ryan Payne had EVER attended that school... whoda thunk it?
Myself and Scott begged the Bundys, after we left (via phone) to stop listening to Payne..that he was a plant. But they refused to listen. Payne wouldn't let ANYONE talk to the Bundy's with out him being present..or close by. The Bundy's are good God fearing Christians but they are TERRIBLY naive. They truly believe Payne is one of the good guys. Which is why they are at the refuge now. Do you honestly think for one second it was AMMON's idea to take that building? If you do... you're a fool. They're not that type of people. Ammon has been suckered into this standoff by Payne and Cooper. He truly went up there with the intention of helping the Hammonds, and when they were refused, The Bundy's were made to believe that taking a stand against the BLM was the answer.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Now Cliven is on his way
there.. and the govt is finally going to get their revenge on the Bundy's and
in doing so gain the access they need to their land. All the major players in
the operation of that Ranch will soon be together at the wildlife refuge...
thats no coincidence. I assure you.
Payne, Cooper, Pete Santili... All well trained provocateurs who are doing
everything in their power to lure patriots to the ranch.. Case in
point...Santili just released a video try to say that the FBI was TRYING to
shut him down.. Dont you think if that were the case...with ALL of the
resources the FBI has, they would just go ahead and do it...do you really think
this shmuck is smart enough to outsmart the ENTIRE FBI? Think about it...
Let us continue on.. why the wild life refuge? how in the blue hell did they
even know it existed if this wasn't PRE-PLANNED? And why were their trailers
staged up there THURSDAY night if this was all "unplanned"? And if
they wanted support so bad...why not let the Oregon 3%ers and militia in on this? I'll
tell you why.. because they would have had no part in it and vehemently refused
if they had known.... as was demonstrated by their response once they found
out. SO..that being said.. why pick a place so remote.. I'll tell you why.. the
same reason the Bundy ranch was picked.. it's remote... no civilian casualties.
And if everyone out there is killed there's no witnesses allowing the govt to
write the narrative of what happened afterwards..You can bet any reporters out
there will be silenced should they actually get close enough to catch anything
worth documenting unless of course they're willing to report what they're told
to... the reason it failed at the Bundy ranch was because the community got so
involved... NOT the case at the refuge.
Next.. why has a detachment of Delta Force been deployed to the area? (does
anyone remember that Delta was ALSO at WACO?)
19 sets of orders were cut for operators to be at waco. Why in the Blue hell would they send
Delta to squash a bunch of unorganized mostly unarmed protesters? I'll tell you
why.. one of the things Delta specializes in is hostage rescue.. I.E. blow open
a door rush in and shoot the bad guys but save the good guys.. I.E. embedded
reporters from the national media who can later report the protesters fired
first.
This is happening EXACTLY the same way WACO
did... you know who else claimed, "We won't fire first but if attacked
we'll fire back.."? David Koresh. Again well documented fact. This situation
is going to turn out the exact same way. If these guys don't stand down now,
while the sheriff is giving them an opportunity to, I promise you.. its going
to turn out the exact same way. I'll bet my life on it.
Now lets look at poor John Ritzheimer. This guy is exhibiting all the classic
signs of PTSD. It is my belief that he is not in on this plan but like the
Bundy's... has been suckered into believing what he is doing is right. This
poor person is still fighting the war in his head and fool like Payne and
Cooper are feeding into his delusions that dying for this cause is what he
needs to do. They are taking advantage of his big heart and his undying love
for the country he fought for and twisting him into a suicidal maniac. Im sorry
if that stings.. but I assure you its the cold hard truth. How could ANYONE in
their right mind think that dying trying to fight the BLM of all things is
going to "change the govt"? How ignorant do you have to be to think
that fighting and dying out there is going to somehow make the BLM fold up shop
and stop what they are doing. Sorry kids... the ONLY people who can stop the
BLM are in DC.. and I assure you, as long as People like Harry Reid and the
like are around... the BLM is not going anywhere.. no matter how much we fight
them and run them off. We ran them off at the Bundy ranch...and how much did
that slow them down..? we ran them off at the sugar pine mine... how much did
that slow them down...? What makes anyone think this will be any different?
Mind boggling I tell you.
Now to those of you who are buying into this whole "this will galvanize
the movement line of crap".. What this is REALLY going to do is crush the
patriot movement. They are going to hit these people with such force with such
blinding speed and a level of violence of action that most patriots are going
to turn and look at their own children and go there's no way in HELL I want
that to happen to MY family... thus the reason there are women and Children
being taken to the refuge. The govt has already shown at WACO and Ruby Ridge just how willing they are
to kill American Children. Don't think for a second they wont do it here as
well.
All the classic signs of a psyop. They plan to frighten the people into not
even daring to ever take a stand against them again.
So what then of the militias? We'll still be here but will be forced into
hiding.. those who aren't will be scooped up and charged as Domestic
Terrorists. Do you for even ONE second really believe that this happening at
the same time as Obama prepares to announce a whole new slew of gun
restrictions is really a coincidence? Its not.. Not at all. What this is going
to be used for is an EXCUSE to show why we need to disarm the American people
for their own safety.. or put into place such SEVERE restrictions on owning
firearms that we will NEVER be able to properly defend ourselves against a
tyrannical govt. Hitler did it... Stalin did it... Mao did it... now Obama's
doing it. History is repeating itself in front of our own eyes and we're too blinded
by raw emotion to recognize it.
If everyone picked up and left that refuge tomorrow, what do you think Payne
and Cooper would do? They're so die hard...think they'd stay and fight? I mean
that's what they're saying... they're not leaving right? Prepared to die for
the cause....right?.... My behind ! Nope... they'll slink back into the shadows
and wait for the next opportunity to bamboozle good patriots into signing their
own death warrants. And of course... once again.. neither will be charged with
anything. And good peoples lives will be risked for nothing.
We're being goaded into a fight here people...you NEED to see that. And every
ONE of you who is advocating for this...Know this... if these people die... it
will be YOUR fault. Not mine, nor will it be the fault of ANYONE in ANY unit I
command. I simply wont allow it. THIS is the reason my troops follow me..
because I take the time to think these things through...to look at them from
ALL directions... not based on sheer emotion as so many of you are doing now.
It was stated, dare I say, TAUGHT to me today by a close friend who is an ex
special forces operator, that wars are not won by people taking rash actions
such as the ones that have been taken here. Wars are won with proper planning.
That **** hit me like a brick.. And I Will NEVER forget those words as that is
the smartest thing I have heard throughout this entire ordeal.
1. Plan
2. Equip
3. Rehearse
4. Execute
(continued in Part Three)
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[Part Two]
Nothing could be further from the truth. Now Cliven is on his way
there.. and the govt is finally going to get their revenge on the Bundy's and
in doing so gain the access they need to their land. All the major players in
the operation of that Ranch will soon be together at the wildlife refuge...
thats no coincidence. I assure you.
Payne, Cooper, Pete Santili... All well trained provocateurs who are doing
everything in their power to lure patriots to the ranch.. Case in
point...Santili just released a video try to say that the FBI was TRYING to
shut him down.. Dont you think if that were the case...with ALL of the
resources the FBI has, they would just go ahead and do it...do you really think
this shmuck is smart enough to outsmart the ENTIRE FBI? Think about it...
Let us continue on.. why the wild life refuge? how in the blue hell did they
even know it existed if this wasn't PRE-PLANNED? And why were their trailers
staged up there THURSDAY night if this was all "unplanned"? And if
they wanted support so bad...why not let the Oregon 3%ers and militia in on this? I'll
tell you why.. because they would have had no part in it and vehemently refused
if they had known.... as was demonstrated by their response once they found
out. SO..that being said.. why pick a place so remote.. I'll tell you why.. the
same reason the Bundy ranch was picked.. it's remote... no civilian casualties.
And if everyone out there is killed there's no witnesses allowing the govt to
write the narrative of what happened afterwards..You can bet any reporters out
there will be silenced should they actually get close enough to catch anything
worth documenting unless of course they're willing to report what they're told
to... the reason it failed at the Bundy ranch was because the community got so
involved... NOT the case at the refuge.
Next.. why has a detachment of Delta Force been deployed to the area? (does
anyone remember that Delta was ALSO at WACO?)
19 sets of orders were cut for operators to be at waco. Why in the Blue hell would they send
Delta to squash a bunch of unorganized mostly unarmed protesters? I'll tell you
why.. one of the things Delta specializes in is hostage rescue.. I.E. blow open
a door rush in and shoot the bad guys but save the good guys.. I.E. embedded
reporters from the national media who can later report the protesters fired
first.
This is happening EXACTLY the same way WACO
did... you know who else claimed, "We won't fire first but if attacked
we'll fire back.."? David Koresh. Again well documented fact. This situation
is going to turn out the exact same way. If these guys don't stand down now,
while the sheriff is giving them an opportunity to, I promise you.. its going
to turn out the exact same way. I'll bet my life on it.
Now lets look at poor John Ritzheimer. This guy is exhibiting all the classic
signs of PTSD. It is my belief that he is not in on this plan but like the
Bundy's... has been suckered into believing what he is doing is right. This
poor person is still fighting the war in his head and fool like Payne and
Cooper are feeding into his delusions that dying for this cause is what he
needs to do. They are taking advantage of his big heart and his undying love
for the country he fought for and twisting him into a suicidal maniac. Im sorry
if that stings.. but I assure you its the cold hard truth. How could ANYONE in
their right mind think that dying trying to fight the BLM of all things is
going to "change the govt"? How ignorant do you have to be to think
that fighting and dying out there is going to somehow make the BLM fold up shop
and stop what they are doing. Sorry kids... the ONLY people who can stop the
BLM are in DC.. and I assure you, as long as People like Harry Reid and the
like are around... the BLM is not going anywhere.. no matter how much we fight
them and run them off. We ran them off at the Bundy ranch...and how much did
that slow them down..? we ran them off at the sugar pine mine... how much did
that slow them down...? What makes anyone think this will be any different?
Mind boggling I tell you.
Now to those of you who are buying into this whole "this will galvanize
the movement line of crap".. What this is REALLY going to do is crush the
patriot movement. They are going to hit these people with such force with such
blinding speed and a level of violence of action that most patriots are going
to turn and look at their own children and go there's no way in HELL I want
that to happen to MY family... thus the reason there are women and Children
being taken to the refuge. The govt has already shown at WACO and Ruby Ridge just how willing they are
to kill American Children. Don't think for a second they wont do it here as
well.
All the classic signs of a psyop. They plan to frighten the people into not
even daring to ever take a stand against them again.
So what then of the militias? We'll still be here but will be forced into
hiding.. those who aren't will be scooped up and charged as Domestic
Terrorists. Do you for even ONE second really believe that this happening at
the same time as Obama prepares to announce a whole new slew of gun
restrictions is really a coincidence? Its not.. Not at all. What this is going
to be used for is an EXCUSE to show why we need to disarm the American people
for their own safety.. or put into place such SEVERE restrictions on owning
firearms that we will NEVER be able to properly defend ourselves against a
tyrannical govt. Hitler did it... Stalin did it... Mao did it... now Obama's
doing it. History is repeating itself in front of our own eyes and we're too blinded
by raw emotion to recognize it.
If everyone picked up and left that refuge tomorrow, what do you think Payne
and Cooper would do? They're so die hard...think they'd stay and fight? I mean
that's what they're saying... they're not leaving right? Prepared to die for
the cause....right?.... My behind ! Nope... they'll slink back into the shadows
and wait for the next opportunity to bamboozle good patriots into signing their
own death warrants. And of course... once again.. neither will be charged with
anything. And good peoples lives will be risked for nothing.
We're being goaded into a fight here people...you NEED to see that. And every
ONE of you who is advocating for this...Know this... if these people die... it
will be YOUR fault. Not mine, nor will it be the fault of ANYONE in ANY unit I
command. I simply wont allow it. THIS is the reason my troops follow me..
because I take the time to think these things through...to look at them from
ALL directions... not based on sheer emotion as so many of you are doing now.
It was stated, dare I say, TAUGHT to me today by a close friend who is an ex
special forces operator, that wars are not won by people taking rash actions
such as the ones that have been taken here. Wars are won with proper planning.
That **** hit me like a brick.. And I Will NEVER forget those words as that is
the smartest thing I have heard throughout this entire ordeal.
THAT'S how you win a battle. THAT'S how you minimize casualties.. THAT'S how you win a war. None of that was done here. Therefore, these guys are all as good as dead.. Why do you think the local sheriff there just said these guys need to leave WHILE THEY STILL CAN... Because he KNOWS whats going to happen to them! He's OFFERING them a way out and DAMNIT THEY NEED TO TAKE IT! The first thing I teach my guys is when they make unexpected contact with the enemy is, the proper response is to fall back, reset and take back the initiative. That's what we need to do here. Will it look like a loss in the eyes of the people? Absolutely. But hey, you all had better get used to the fact that we are not going to win every battle.. BUT... in the eyes of those who put this whole bull**** plan together... this will be a CRUSHING defeat...Even though it will never be made public knowledge. We have let the enemy pick the time and place of our fight...and that is about to prove to be a fatal mistake. Mark my words..
But we can still snatch victory out of this whole screwed up mess...if ONLY you will listen to me. How do we win then? Well I'll tell you...
We get those people out of there!!!!! Anyone and everyone who has contact with the people there needs to PLEAD with them to get the hell out of there... Then, we regroup, and WE pick the time and place of our fight...not the enemy. WE make THEM react.. WE pick ground that is most sensible for a proper defense, not a building in the middle of a field that has absolutely NO defensible positions as in the case of the refuge. Then we properly equip, plan, rehearse, and execute. If you want to win a war...that's how you have to do it. Most importantly.. we expose frauds like Cooper and Payne for who they truly are. and drum them out of the movement before they really get someone killed.
So that my take on this mess... listen to me if you want, ignore me at your own peril... either way it is of no consequence to me. I will not debate this issue, and NO ONE will change my mind about this... I have done too much research into this situation to allow ANY armchair commando to dictate my actions for me. This is the war you all wanted so badly... now either lead follow or get the **** out of the way. End of story. (please note this post has been edited to provide more factual evidence to include mention of Delta at Waco.)
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[Part Three]
THAT'S how you win a battle. THAT'S how you minimize casualties.. THAT'S how you win a war. None of that was done here. Therefore, these guys are all as good as dead.. Why do you think the local sheriff there just said these guys need to leave WHILE THEY STILL CAN... Because he KNOWS whats going to happen to them! He's OFFERING them a way out and DAMNIT THEY NEED TO TAKE IT! The first thing I teach my guys is when they make unexpected contact with the enemy is, the proper response is to fall back, reset and take back the initiative. That's what we need to do here. Will it look like a loss in the eyes of the people? Absolutely. But hey, you all had better get used to the fact that we are not going to win every battle.. BUT... in the eyes of those who put this whole bull**** plan together... this will be a CRUSHING defeat...Even though it will never be made public knowledge. We have let the enemy pick the time and place of our fight...and that is about to prove to be a fatal mistake. Mark my words..
But we can still snatch victory out of this whole screwed up mess...if ONLY you will listen to me. How do we win then? Well I'll tell you...
We get those people out of there!!!!! Anyone and everyone who has contact with the people there needs to PLEAD with them to get the hell out of there... Then, we regroup, and WE pick the time and place of our fight...not the enemy. WE make THEM react.. WE pick ground that is most sensible for a proper defense, not a building in the middle of a field that has absolutely NO defensible positions as in the case of the refuge. Then we properly equip, plan, rehearse, and execute. If you want to win a war...that's how you have to do it. Most importantly.. we expose frauds like Cooper and Payne for who they truly are. and drum them out of the movement before they really get someone killed.
So that my take on this mess... listen to me if you want, ignore me at your own peril... either way it is of no consequence to me. I will not debate this issue, and NO ONE will change my mind about this... I have done too much research into this situation to allow ANY armchair commando to dictate my actions for me. This is the war you all wanted so badly... now either lead follow or get the **** out of the way. End of story. (please note this post has been edited to provide more factual evidence to include mention of Delta at Waco.)
I'll make it easy for you guys with a paste of the letter from the militia guy:
[Part One]
I'm going to paste in full a very important statement from a sane, level-headed man who is a part of the militia movement, posted in Jim Stone's site...
...that is of critical importance, both the info from this letter, as well as Jim's site.
Here it is:
Here is real word from the Oregon standoff
This is the real deal, so I figured I'd post it in full, especially since it says exactly what I said - that this was all set up by the government and false truthers.
From Christian Yingling:
Ok ...Everybody... please gather around and listen to what I am about to say..Then either shut your mouth, or share this far and wide. If you have ANY faith in me as a leader you will heed what I am about to say. If not..I want nothing to do with you. simple as that.
The key to victory in any battle is the ability to remain calm in any given situation. What we are seeing right now is a whole bunch of people acting based solely on raw emotion. This is very bad and I'm about to explain exactly why. I am not letting my emotions make my decisions for me, but instead, looking at this from a calm, level headed, common sense approach.
What you are all witnessing right now right now in Oregon has the makings of a full on false flag event. And I will prove that to you to the absolute best of my ability. Should you choose to look at this from a logical perspective you will see I am 100% correct. Some of what I will tell you is speculation based on my own experience and experiences of others I have talked to throughout this ordeal, but most of what I am going to tell you is documented verifiable fact.
Back during the Bundy situation, Ryan Payne declared himself the unofficial "leader" of the militias present at the Bundy ranch. Nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, none of the militias listened to him at all. The ONLY ones who listened to him were the Bundy's, Blaine Cooper, who Payne claimed was a "professional security consultant', who turned out to be nothing more than an ex con, and buddah bear (nice name) who he also claimed was a "professional security consultant", but was later discovered to be nothing more than a tattoo artist thug. The militias ignoring these three, is precisely why that situation didnt turn into a blood bath. (strangely enough all three are present at the refuge)
I and Scott Woods were asked on one occasion, by Payne to go and destroy BLM equipment in the middle of the night. We refused, stating that that's not why we were there. We were there solely to defend the family. That very same night he rushed off in a car with a loaded AR to START a violent altercation with LEOs who supposedly had pulled over members of the Armenian Militia off exit 10 near the ranch. This report was never vetted nor was it looked into before he rushed off. It is also well documented that Payne had tried to incite other militia members to start violent altercations with the authorities who were present there. all of which were refused by militia members..all for the same reason...we were NOT there to start a fight...but to DEFEND the family. When people refused, Payne, Cooper, and Buddah ostracized them and ran them off the ranch. This is why most militias left the ranch when they did. One other point worth mentioning was there were militia members present with long range 50 cal sniper rifles... but instead of positioning them on the hilltops surrounding the ranch, Payne had them stationed down in a valley where they were effectively useless...does that sound like the makings of a solid leader to you? And also Payne was always sure to make certain that there was ONE completely UNDEFENDED access point to the ranch.. I brought this up to him asking why he would leave our back door completely open and undefended... and he completely blew me off... What he was doing in fact, was leaving an access point open for authorities to bum rush the ranch if that's what they felt needed to be done. And I have the witnesses to prove it.
Now throughout the situation Payne made repeated threats to law enforcement on NATIONAL media. There's VIDEO of him doing this..its not hard to find. Yet oddly enough with all that evidence he was never charged with anything during or after the standoff. Does that seem ODD to anyone but me? (not if you're a paid provocateur) Now in this situation at the refuge, he has publicly stated to a reporter that he has snipers set up to kill any federal official who approaches the refuge. Yet still.. no charges are being filed against him. making threats like that, you'd think they'd swoop in and scoop him up... but noooo.. because they're giving patriots time to get there... Don't think for one second that with a couple of phone calls to the proper alphabet agencies, those shmucks wont be SORELY outnumbered. Tell you what... if you think LEO's don't take threats against them seriously... go find the nearest cop and walk up to him and tell him you plan to kill police officers and see what happens to you.. See how long it takes for you to end up in prison.. yet Payne roams free..as does Cooper. Better yet go ask Schuyler Barbeau what happens when you threaten a public official... oh wait...you can't... hes in prison... because of a facebook post. Funny how that works huh? Also... has anyone else noticed that until this situation popped up Payne was damned near SILENT on social media? Wonder why that is... Hell, Most of you don't even know who he is... He also claimed to be an Army Ranger, But when we had someone at the Ranger School check their records... they said NO Ryan Payne had EVER attended that school... whoda thunk it?
Myself and Scott begged the Bundys, after we left (via phone) to stop listening to Payne..that he was a plant. But they refused to listen. Payne wouldn't let ANYONE talk to the Bundy's with out him being present..or close by. The Bundy's are good God fearing Christians but they are TERRIBLY naive. They truly believe Payne is one of the good guys. Which is why they are at the refuge now. Do you honestly think for one second it was AMMON's idea to take that building? If you do... you're a fool. They're not that type of people. Ammon has been suckered into this standoff by Payne and Cooper. He truly went up there with the intention of helping the Hammonds, and when they were refused, The Bundy's were made to believe that taking a stand against the BLM was the answer.
(continued in next post)
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Quote Originally Posted by Mozart:
I'll make it easy for you guys with a paste of the letter from the militia guy:
[Part One]
I'm going to paste in full a very important statement from a sane, level-headed man who is a part of the militia movement, posted in Jim Stone's site...
...that is of critical importance, both the info from this letter, as well as Jim's site.
Here it is:
Here is real word from the Oregon standoff
This is the real deal, so I figured I'd post it in full, especially since it says exactly what I said - that this was all set up by the government and false truthers.
From Christian Yingling:
Ok ...Everybody... please gather around and listen to what I am about to say..Then either shut your mouth, or share this far and wide. If you have ANY faith in me as a leader you will heed what I am about to say. If not..I want nothing to do with you. simple as that.
The key to victory in any battle is the ability to remain calm in any given situation. What we are seeing right now is a whole bunch of people acting based solely on raw emotion. This is very bad and I'm about to explain exactly why. I am not letting my emotions make my decisions for me, but instead, looking at this from a calm, level headed, common sense approach.
What you are all witnessing right now right now in Oregon has the makings of a full on false flag event. And I will prove that to you to the absolute best of my ability. Should you choose to look at this from a logical perspective you will see I am 100% correct. Some of what I will tell you is speculation based on my own experience and experiences of others I have talked to throughout this ordeal, but most of what I am going to tell you is documented verifiable fact.
Back during the Bundy situation, Ryan Payne declared himself the unofficial "leader" of the militias present at the Bundy ranch. Nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, none of the militias listened to him at all. The ONLY ones who listened to him were the Bundy's, Blaine Cooper, who Payne claimed was a "professional security consultant', who turned out to be nothing more than an ex con, and buddah bear (nice name) who he also claimed was a "professional security consultant", but was later discovered to be nothing more than a tattoo artist thug. The militias ignoring these three, is precisely why that situation didnt turn into a blood bath. (strangely enough all three are present at the refuge)
I and Scott Woods were asked on one occasion, by Payne to go and destroy BLM equipment in the middle of the night. We refused, stating that that's not why we were there. We were there solely to defend the family. That very same night he rushed off in a car with a loaded AR to START a violent altercation with LEOs who supposedly had pulled over members of the Armenian Militia off exit 10 near the ranch. This report was never vetted nor was it looked into before he rushed off. It is also well documented that Payne had tried to incite other militia members to start violent altercations with the authorities who were present there. all of which were refused by militia members..all for the same reason...we were NOT there to start a fight...but to DEFEND the family. When people refused, Payne, Cooper, and Buddah ostracized them and ran them off the ranch. This is why most militias left the ranch when they did. One other point worth mentioning was there were militia members present with long range 50 cal sniper rifles... but instead of positioning them on the hilltops surrounding the ranch, Payne had them stationed down in a valley where they were effectively useless...does that sound like the makings of a solid leader to you? And also Payne was always sure to make certain that there was ONE completely UNDEFENDED access point to the ranch.. I brought this up to him asking why he would leave our back door completely open and undefended... and he completely blew me off... What he was doing in fact, was leaving an access point open for authorities to bum rush the ranch if that's what they felt needed to be done. And I have the witnesses to prove it.
Now throughout the situation Payne made repeated threats to law enforcement on NATIONAL media. There's VIDEO of him doing this..its not hard to find. Yet oddly enough with all that evidence he was never charged with anything during or after the standoff. Does that seem ODD to anyone but me? (not if you're a paid provocateur) Now in this situation at the refuge, he has publicly stated to a reporter that he has snipers set up to kill any federal official who approaches the refuge. Yet still.. no charges are being filed against him. making threats like that, you'd think they'd swoop in and scoop him up... but noooo.. because they're giving patriots time to get there... Don't think for one second that with a couple of phone calls to the proper alphabet agencies, those shmucks wont be SORELY outnumbered. Tell you what... if you think LEO's don't take threats against them seriously... go find the nearest cop and walk up to him and tell him you plan to kill police officers and see what happens to you.. See how long it takes for you to end up in prison.. yet Payne roams free..as does Cooper. Better yet go ask Schuyler Barbeau what happens when you threaten a public official... oh wait...you can't... hes in prison... because of a facebook post. Funny how that works huh? Also... has anyone else noticed that until this situation popped up Payne was damned near SILENT on social media? Wonder why that is... Hell, Most of you don't even know who he is... He also claimed to be an Army Ranger, But when we had someone at the Ranger School check their records... they said NO Ryan Payne had EVER attended that school... whoda thunk it?
Myself and Scott begged the Bundys, after we left (via phone) to stop listening to Payne..that he was a plant. But they refused to listen. Payne wouldn't let ANYONE talk to the Bundy's with out him being present..or close by. The Bundy's are good God fearing Christians but they are TERRIBLY naive. They truly believe Payne is one of the good guys. Which is why they are at the refuge now. Do you honestly think for one second it was AMMON's idea to take that building? If you do... you're a fool. They're not that type of people. Ammon has been suckered into this standoff by Payne and Cooper. He truly went up there with the intention of helping the Hammonds, and when they were refused, The Bundy's were made to believe that taking a stand against the BLM was the answer.
after re reading the siege its not. anyone can come and go at will states Oregon state police. their isn't an armed stand off their are 20 men hold up in a wild life refuge set aside Theodore Roosevelt in 1908 to be a center for migratory birds.
the ranchers are the bundys protesting the lease arrangements with other ranch owners there. but it isn't the first rodeo the same group has been persecuted by the feds since 1935 driven from Arizona then Nevada and now here to make it the fourth standoff in 3 generations.
the feds are taking a no contact with the militia.
no raids forth coming and power is scheduled to be cut but the damage of frozen pipes this would cause is a concern for Audubon society leaders.
on face book militia are asking for weather gear for cold . probably not prepared for the climate the county in question is about twice the size of Connecticut and every one including the town ppl are asking them to pack up and go home.
for now they are free to leave resupply come and go.
family members are encouraged to go and talk the men to stand down.
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after re reading the siege its not. anyone can come and go at will states Oregon state police. their isn't an armed stand off their are 20 men hold up in a wild life refuge set aside Theodore Roosevelt in 1908 to be a center for migratory birds.
the ranchers are the bundys protesting the lease arrangements with other ranch owners there. but it isn't the first rodeo the same group has been persecuted by the feds since 1935 driven from Arizona then Nevada and now here to make it the fourth standoff in 3 generations.
the feds are taking a no contact with the militia.
no raids forth coming and power is scheduled to be cut but the damage of frozen pipes this would cause is a concern for Audubon society leaders.
on face book militia are asking for weather gear for cold . probably not prepared for the climate the county in question is about twice the size of Connecticut and every one including the town ppl are asking them to pack up and go home.
for now they are free to leave resupply come and go.
family members are encouraged to go and talk the men to stand down.
as far as the militias fortified position they have a truck parked side ways and a guard holding light infantry rifle. the area is for migatory birds but that wont become an issue until spring breaks and return from warmer climates. schools have been closed and the kids don't seem to mind extended holiday break for them.
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as far as the militias fortified position they have a truck parked side ways and a guard holding light infantry rifle. the area is for migatory birds but that wont become an issue until spring breaks and return from warmer climates. schools have been closed and the kids don't seem to mind extended holiday break for them.
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