He's a motherfucker that we should be afraid of. I'm personally scared of this motherfucker. First off, let me say that when it comes to political discussions that I am someone who would rather be on the sideline. I'd rather my voice not be heard, because once you reveal what side of the aisle your on your pretty much drawing a hard line in the sand. There's no going back and your going to make friends/enemies over it, and it's pretty fucking dumb/pathetic when you think about it.
I'm pretty much a centrist. When it comes to issues- for some shit, like the legalization of cannibus, I'm super liberal. For the death penalty I'm super conservative. So I'm far from the guy that's going to sit there and root for the republicans or democrats like he's rooting for the Phillies or Yankees.
But just who the hell is Mitt Romney? I considered voting for him, because the economy is still pretty fucked up, but then I started doing some research. The guy doesn't stand for anything. He is fantasically rich, but does ANYONE know how he actually made his fortune??? He borrowed vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. He is one of the greatest and irresponsible debt creators of all time. Romney piled more debt onto more unsuspecting companies, written more gigantic checks that other people had to cover than probably all but 5 people on the planet.
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He's a motherfucker that we should be afraid of. I'm personally scared of this motherfucker. First off, let me say that when it comes to political discussions that I am someone who would rather be on the sideline. I'd rather my voice not be heard, because once you reveal what side of the aisle your on your pretty much drawing a hard line in the sand. There's no going back and your going to make friends/enemies over it, and it's pretty fucking dumb/pathetic when you think about it.
I'm pretty much a centrist. When it comes to issues- for some shit, like the legalization of cannibus, I'm super liberal. For the death penalty I'm super conservative. So I'm far from the guy that's going to sit there and root for the republicans or democrats like he's rooting for the Phillies or Yankees.
But just who the hell is Mitt Romney? I considered voting for him, because the economy is still pretty fucked up, but then I started doing some research. The guy doesn't stand for anything. He is fantasically rich, but does ANYONE know how he actually made his fortune??? He borrowed vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. He is one of the greatest and irresponsible debt creators of all time. Romney piled more debt onto more unsuspecting companies, written more gigantic checks that other people had to cover than probably all but 5 people on the planet.
A man makes a $250 million fortune loading up companies with debt then extracting million dollar fees from those same companies, in exchange for the generous service of telling them who needs to be fired in order to finance the debt payments he loaded on them in the first place!
Then that same man runs for president. The Mitt Romneys of the world belong in federal prison. Federal "pounding-in-the-ass" prison. Because they nearly destroyed the global economy with their greed, shortsightedness and wildly irresponsible use of debt in pursuit of personal profit.
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The man IS a ponzi scheme.
A man makes a $250 million fortune loading up companies with debt then extracting million dollar fees from those same companies, in exchange for the generous service of telling them who needs to be fired in order to finance the debt payments he loaded on them in the first place!
Then that same man runs for president. The Mitt Romneys of the world belong in federal prison. Federal "pounding-in-the-ass" prison. Because they nearly destroyed the global economy with their greed, shortsightedness and wildly irresponsible use of debt in pursuit of personal profit.
I will give the guy some cred though. Romney is a perfect frontman for the new Wall Street.
He's not a two-bit, shifty-eyed huckster like Lloyd Blankfein or an arrogant jerk like Jamie Dimon. But Mitt does believe the same things that those guys believed: He has been right with them on the front-lines of the financial revolution, a decades long campaign in which the old, simple, let's-make-stuff-and-sell-it manufacturing economy was replaced with a new, highly complex, let's-take-stuff-and-trash-it financial economy. Instead of cars and airplanes, we built swaps, CDOs and other toxic financial products. Instead of building new companies from the ground up, they took out massive bank loans and used them to acquire existing firms, liquidating every asset in sight and leaving the target companies holding the note. This resulted in a total abdication of collective responsiblity by America's Rich, whose new thing was making assloads of money in ever-shorter campaigns of economic conquest, sending the proceeds offshore, and shrugging as the great towns and factories their parents and grandparents built we shuttered and boarded up, crushed by debt.
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I will give the guy some cred though. Romney is a perfect frontman for the new Wall Street.
He's not a two-bit, shifty-eyed huckster like Lloyd Blankfein or an arrogant jerk like Jamie Dimon. But Mitt does believe the same things that those guys believed: He has been right with them on the front-lines of the financial revolution, a decades long campaign in which the old, simple, let's-make-stuff-and-sell-it manufacturing economy was replaced with a new, highly complex, let's-take-stuff-and-trash-it financial economy. Instead of cars and airplanes, we built swaps, CDOs and other toxic financial products. Instead of building new companies from the ground up, they took out massive bank loans and used them to acquire existing firms, liquidating every asset in sight and leaving the target companies holding the note. This resulted in a total abdication of collective responsiblity by America's Rich, whose new thing was making assloads of money in ever-shorter campaigns of economic conquest, sending the proceeds offshore, and shrugging as the great towns and factories their parents and grandparents built we shuttered and boarded up, crushed by debt.
I will give the guy some cred though. Romney is a perfect frontman for the new Wall Street.
He's not a two-bit, shifty-eyed huckster like Lloyd Blankfein or an arrogant jerk like Jamie Dimon. But Mitt does believe the same things that those guys believed: He has been right with them on the front-lines of the financial revolution, a decades long campaign in which the old, simple, let's-make-stuff-and-sell-it manufacturing economy was replaced with a new, highly complex, let's-take-stuff-and-trash-it financial economy. Instead of cars and airplanes, we built swaps, CDOs and other toxic financial products. Instead of building new companies from the ground up, they took out massive bank loans and used them to acquire existing firms, liquidating every asset in sight and leaving the target companies holding the note. This resulted in a total abdication of collective responsiblity by America's Rich, whose new thing was making assloads of money in ever-shorter campaigns of economic conquest, sending the proceeds offshore, and shrugging as the great towns and factories their parents and grandparents built we shuttered and boarded up, crushed by debt.
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Quote Originally Posted by rated91:
I will give the guy some cred though. Romney is a perfect frontman for the new Wall Street.
He's not a two-bit, shifty-eyed huckster like Lloyd Blankfein or an arrogant jerk like Jamie Dimon. But Mitt does believe the same things that those guys believed: He has been right with them on the front-lines of the financial revolution, a decades long campaign in which the old, simple, let's-make-stuff-and-sell-it manufacturing economy was replaced with a new, highly complex, let's-take-stuff-and-trash-it financial economy. Instead of cars and airplanes, we built swaps, CDOs and other toxic financial products. Instead of building new companies from the ground up, they took out massive bank loans and used them to acquire existing firms, liquidating every asset in sight and leaving the target companies holding the note. This resulted in a total abdication of collective responsiblity by America's Rich, whose new thing was making assloads of money in ever-shorter campaigns of economic conquest, sending the proceeds offshore, and shrugging as the great towns and factories their parents and grandparents built we shuttered and boarded up, crushed by debt.
I've seen corporation after corporation either close, consolidate or ship all the production overseas. What's left is lower and lower paying residual service jobs that don't pay the bills.
We can't get by giving one another haircuts. That's a poor model for an economy. Until we make things again, until we require companies who sneak the production to China to pay significant tariffs to sell their shit here, No President will succeed.
The gap in wealth is not imaginary. The dollars that the middle class USE TO HAVE went somewhere!! In fact, the Federal Reserve has printed billions more to help the economy. Mitt R(mo)ney clearly won't have the backbone to require corporations to do the right thing. I just wish Obama would quit trying to be everyone's friend and put his foot down.
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Well stated rated91.
I've seen corporation after corporation either close, consolidate or ship all the production overseas. What's left is lower and lower paying residual service jobs that don't pay the bills.
We can't get by giving one another haircuts. That's a poor model for an economy. Until we make things again, until we require companies who sneak the production to China to pay significant tariffs to sell their shit here, No President will succeed.
The gap in wealth is not imaginary. The dollars that the middle class USE TO HAVE went somewhere!! In fact, the Federal Reserve has printed billions more to help the economy. Mitt R(mo)ney clearly won't have the backbone to require corporations to do the right thing. I just wish Obama would quit trying to be everyone's friend and put his foot down.
I'm throwing my wasted vote behind Ron Paul despite the "radicalism" that he's been labeled such. Romney and Obama are one and the same.
Obama is getting another 4 years, despite the poor job he has done so far. The reason is that Romney is a sorry alternative to our sorry President.
If I do vote, which is highly unlikely, I am probably writing in my brother's alias. He got into an argument years ago with some redneck basketball fans. And when they got fed up with him and told him he would never amount to anything, he wittily responded that someday he is going to become the President of the United States. And this seems like as good a time as any.
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Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:
I'm throwing my wasted vote behind Ron Paul despite the "radicalism" that he's been labeled such. Romney and Obama are one and the same.
Obama is getting another 4 years, despite the poor job he has done so far. The reason is that Romney is a sorry alternative to our sorry President.
If I do vote, which is highly unlikely, I am probably writing in my brother's alias. He got into an argument years ago with some redneck basketball fans. And when they got fed up with him and told him he would never amount to anything, he wittily responded that someday he is going to become the President of the United States. And this seems like as good a time as any.
He's a motherfucker that we should be afraid of. I'm personally scared of this motherfucker. First off, let me say that when it comes to political discussions that I am someone who would rather be on the sideline. I'd rather my voice not be heard, because once you reveal what side of the aisle your on your pretty much drawing a hard line in the sand. There's no going back and your going to make friends/enemies over it, and it's pretty fucking dumb/pathetic when you think about it.
I'm pretty much a centrist. When it comes to issues- for some shit, like the legalization of cannibus, I'm super liberal. For the death penalty I'm super conservative. So I'm far from the guy that's going to sit there and root for the republicans or democrats like he's rooting for the Phillies or Yankees.
But just who the hell is Mitt Romney? I considered voting for him, because the economy is still pretty fucked up, but then I started doing some research. The guy doesn't stand for anything. He is fantasically rich, but does ANYONE know how he actually made his fortune??? He borrowed vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. He is one of the greatest and irresponsible debt creators of all time. Romney piled more debt onto more unsuspecting companies, written more gigantic checks that other people had to cover than probably all but 5 people on the planet.
I would think if this was true and/or provable then Team Obama would have jumped on this and made numerous commercials in swing states.
So far the only specific knock I've seen was the commercial with the man's wife who died of cancer.
Even then Romney had left the company two years prior to the closing of the company and the guy's wife died four years after that.
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Quote Originally Posted by rated91:
He's a motherfucker that we should be afraid of. I'm personally scared of this motherfucker. First off, let me say that when it comes to political discussions that I am someone who would rather be on the sideline. I'd rather my voice not be heard, because once you reveal what side of the aisle your on your pretty much drawing a hard line in the sand. There's no going back and your going to make friends/enemies over it, and it's pretty fucking dumb/pathetic when you think about it.
I'm pretty much a centrist. When it comes to issues- for some shit, like the legalization of cannibus, I'm super liberal. For the death penalty I'm super conservative. So I'm far from the guy that's going to sit there and root for the republicans or democrats like he's rooting for the Phillies or Yankees.
But just who the hell is Mitt Romney? I considered voting for him, because the economy is still pretty fucked up, but then I started doing some research. The guy doesn't stand for anything. He is fantasically rich, but does ANYONE know how he actually made his fortune??? He borrowed vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. He is one of the greatest and irresponsible debt creators of all time. Romney piled more debt onto more unsuspecting companies, written more gigantic checks that other people had to cover than probably all but 5 people on the planet.
I would think if this was true and/or provable then Team Obama would have jumped on this and made numerous commercials in swing states.
So far the only specific knock I've seen was the commercial with the man's wife who died of cancer.
Even then Romney had left the company two years prior to the closing of the company and the guy's wife died four years after that.
He's a moron..erhm..Mormon.Look up Joseph Smith, the founder:
"You can read this in the official Mormon History, but few Mormons ever bother to read it. Some farmers in Kinderhook devised a hoax in 1843 and made up some copper plates which they claimed contained ancient writings. They planted them in an Indian burial mound and later dug them up again. When Smith saw the plates, he immediately "translated" part of them, which (he claimed in his diary) identified the writings as from "a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh...". Here is the exact quote from the Documentary History of the Church:
"I insert fac-similes of the six brass plates found near Kinderhook, in Pike county, Illinois, on April 23, by Mr. Robert Wiley and others, while excavating a large mound. They found a skeleton about six feet from the surface of the earth, which must have stood nine feet high. The plates were found on the breast of the skeleton and were covered on both sides with ancient characters."
"I have translated a portion of them, and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth. "
For many years, the church claimed that these plates were authentic ancient writings, in spite of the fact that the farmers later admitted the hoax - evidently the fact that Smith had translated part of them made it too embarrassing to accept the hoax. After resorting to more and more implausible and desperate arguments, the church flip-flopped about 10 years ago, and now admits that the plates are phony. The 1981 August Ensign has the statement where the church admits that the plates were a hoax. Of course, this leaves them with the embarrassing quote from Smith's diary.... In spite of the fact that this quote is confirmed by contemporary newspaper reports, they conclude that THIS has to be a false report (indeed, many supposed entries in Smith's diary are generally regarded as fraudulent -- something that church historians don't like to emphasize).
The essential problem here is not the Kinderhook plates themselves, of course. The problem is that since Smith is revealed as credulous or deceitful in cases where he CAN be checked, the Book of Mormon translation, where he cannot be checked, is rendered highly suspicious."
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He's a moron..erhm..Mormon.Look up Joseph Smith, the founder:
"You can read this in the official Mormon History, but few Mormons ever bother to read it. Some farmers in Kinderhook devised a hoax in 1843 and made up some copper plates which they claimed contained ancient writings. They planted them in an Indian burial mound and later dug them up again. When Smith saw the plates, he immediately "translated" part of them, which (he claimed in his diary) identified the writings as from "a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh...". Here is the exact quote from the Documentary History of the Church:
"I insert fac-similes of the six brass plates found near Kinderhook, in Pike county, Illinois, on April 23, by Mr. Robert Wiley and others, while excavating a large mound. They found a skeleton about six feet from the surface of the earth, which must have stood nine feet high. The plates were found on the breast of the skeleton and were covered on both sides with ancient characters."
"I have translated a portion of them, and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth. "
For many years, the church claimed that these plates were authentic ancient writings, in spite of the fact that the farmers later admitted the hoax - evidently the fact that Smith had translated part of them made it too embarrassing to accept the hoax. After resorting to more and more implausible and desperate arguments, the church flip-flopped about 10 years ago, and now admits that the plates are phony. The 1981 August Ensign has the statement where the church admits that the plates were a hoax. Of course, this leaves them with the embarrassing quote from Smith's diary.... In spite of the fact that this quote is confirmed by contemporary newspaper reports, they conclude that THIS has to be a false report (indeed, many supposed entries in Smith's diary are generally regarded as fraudulent -- something that church historians don't like to emphasize).
The essential problem here is not the Kinderhook plates themselves, of course. The problem is that since Smith is revealed as credulous or deceitful in cases where he CAN be checked, the Book of Mormon translation, where he cannot be checked, is rendered highly suspicious."
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