Yesterday we were at 10 plus year lows, this 3.5% move up off 10 yr lows isnt much to write home about.
exactly, still a lot more pain to come. I have seen a number of economist view the overall economy in an L-shaped view meaning a steep drop and then 3-4 years of just bumping along the bottom.
I would necessarily disagree. We'll probably see another -4% GDP number this quarter and smaller one next quarter but BB's comment of this years's 2009 GDP being even is a complete joke. That would mean 4+ growth over the alst half of the year and I just don't see it.
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Well lets be honest here..
Yesterday we were at 10 plus year lows, this 3.5% move up off 10 yr lows isnt much to write home about.
exactly, still a lot more pain to come. I have seen a number of economist view the overall economy in an L-shaped view meaning a steep drop and then 3-4 years of just bumping along the bottom.
I would necessarily disagree. We'll probably see another -4% GDP number this quarter and smaller one next quarter but BB's comment of this years's 2009 GDP being even is a complete joke. That would mean 4+ growth over the alst half of the year and I just don't see it.
So if the recession were to be "over" would that mean the economy grows in 4Q09 as compared to 4Q08? Not really saying much. So yes we are out of recession, but we are so far behind where we were in 2005-2008.
But maybe I am taking a more simplistic view. If someone could educate me that'd be great.
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Quick and stupid question.
So if the recession were to be "over" would that mean the economy grows in 4Q09 as compared to 4Q08? Not really saying much. So yes we are out of recession, but we are so far behind where we were in 2005-2008.
But maybe I am taking a more simplistic view. If someone could educate me that'd be great.
Bernanke inherited a mess and has done a good job so far with what he was dealt. I see us pulling out of this mess int either the 3Q or 4Q...lets hope im right
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Bernanke inherited a mess and has done a good job so far with what he was dealt. I see us pulling out of this mess int either the 3Q or 4Q...lets hope im right
Bernanke inherited a mess and has done a good job so far with what he was dealt. I see us pulling out of this mess int either the 3Q or 4Q...lets hope im right
zero chance...sorry
washington is making the rules now -they are clueless -they change their mind everyday or depending on O's polling data -the native are getting restless -we are broke as a country -if china stops buying us treasuries, someone needs to hit the reset button on this whole thing and take the Fed with them
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Quote Originally Posted by mrNYSEguy:
Bernanke inherited a mess and has done a good job so far with what he was dealt. I see us pulling out of this mess int either the 3Q or 4Q...lets hope im right
zero chance...sorry
washington is making the rules now -they are clueless -they change their mind everyday or depending on O's polling data -the native are getting restless -we are broke as a country -if china stops buying us treasuries, someone needs to hit the reset button on this whole thing and take the Fed with them
So if the recession were to be "over" would that mean the economy grows in 4Q09 as compared to 4Q08? Not really saying much. So yes we are out of recession, but we are so far behind where we were in 2005-2008.
But maybe I am taking a more simplistic view. If someone could educate me that'd be great.
No, the projection of 4th qtr in 2009 would be compared to growth in 3rd qtr of 2009. So GDP would of 2009 be lower than 2008.
The theory has always been that big drops in GDP (over 5% down)results in one quarter would have growth in the next. this year will learn differently.
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Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaHoldem2:
Quick and stupid question.
So if the recession were to be "over" would that mean the economy grows in 4Q09 as compared to 4Q08? Not really saying much. So yes we are out of recession, but we are so far behind where we were in 2005-2008.
But maybe I am taking a more simplistic view. If someone could educate me that'd be great.
No, the projection of 4th qtr in 2009 would be compared to growth in 3rd qtr of 2009. So GDP would of 2009 be lower than 2008.
The theory has always been that big drops in GDP (over 5% down)results in one quarter would have growth in the next. this year will learn differently.
no disrespect Mr Nyse guy but Bernanke admitted about a month ago (along with Greenspan) that he 'botched' the 'significance' of the subprime mortgage mess.. he and greenspan get cut no slack from me or any clear -thinking person.. They (as gov't policy makers) are a BIG reason for this mess..
They set policy , which industries (Wall St, and Real Estate) used to Faack up the country.. Greed, Corruption, Accounting Scandals.. AIG , Madoff all followed etc..
Domino effect.. also.. Chris Cox and the SEC are a group of Bafoons ..
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no disrespect Mr Nyse guy but Bernanke admitted about a month ago (along with Greenspan) that he 'botched' the 'significance' of the subprime mortgage mess.. he and greenspan get cut no slack from me or any clear -thinking person.. They (as gov't policy makers) are a BIG reason for this mess..
They set policy , which industries (Wall St, and Real Estate) used to Faack up the country.. Greed, Corruption, Accounting Scandals.. AIG , Madoff all followed etc..
Domino effect.. also.. Chris Cox and the SEC are a group of Bafoons ..
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