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    Mikey Spills the Beans on the Bailout..Or How it really works

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    mikey22222
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 3:16 PM ET #1

    This is a staged production I'll keep it simple
    The Senario
    1 Centralize the banking system into a small group of banks,  Foreign government and Central banks and  to work with the FED
     
    2 Create an "inflationary envirnonment" and drive bond prices lower and have the fed raise and hold these rates high to "fight inflation"
     
    3) Create a huge federal deficit and have the treasury sell massive amounts of bonds to these team players
     
    4) Have the central banks of the world mannipulate Gold and Oil to new highs creating a commodity and inflationary bubble
     
    5) Turn on the propaganda machine that the dollar is going to hell in a handbasket further creating a demand for commodities and gold
     
    6) Have the cetral banks sell massive amounts of gold into public and unimformed hands because of this "inflation"
     
    7) Create a financial  panic by withholding credit from the system by destroying the overleveraged mortgage market and wiping out capital in many banks
     
    6) Trash housing prices and in turn create a fear that the banks are not safe.
     
    7) Centralize the banking system by creating runs that destroy marginally run banks
     
    8) The result of this panic is to drive massive amounts of money into THE GOVERNMENT BONDS CREATED IN STEP 3 ABOVE.
    Shazam the bonds go to new highs creating hugh profits for the team of banks and central bankers 
     
    9) Drag your feet on the bailout to get rid of the banks you don't control creating superbanks that you can control in the next cycle.
     
    10 This drives interest rates to amazing lows that 1 year later will be used by these players to start the economy all over again
     
    11) GOLD BUGS PAY ATTENTION TO THIS STEP
    When they are ready to sell their bonds into the system WE WILL HAVE A DEFLATION AND "DEPRESSARY WORRIES"
    GOLD WILL FRICKING COLLAPSE INTO A PILE OF CRAMER.
    AND BONDS WILL GO TO THE MOON.
     
    12] Team FED ..the banks SELL THEIR HUGE POSITION IN BONDS BOUGHT IN STEP 3 ABOVE.
     
    13) Ram a Bailout bill through congress for 600 billion
     
    14 Finance this by GET THIS ....SELLING 600 BILLION IN BONDS. No problem because everyone wants to be safe in these scary times right. 
     The bond market gobbles this up which may be done in steps over the next year or so or if they destroy the stock market now then they will do it all at once. <Not my personal favorite
     
    15} Bad mortgages are gobbled up by the 600 billion and are securitized..  Sold as packaged securities to the hedge funds Black rock et al and guys like Bill "I'm a lieing piece of Cramer" Gross..You know the wink wink Guru of the bond market ...see step 3 above.
     
    16) Everyone gets to refinance at 4% 30 year rates and pay off their credit cards.
     
    17) This one cracks me up ...Pass laws on regulation and oversight SO IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
     
    The cycle starts all over again
     
    The End ...Mikey...The Market Shadow
    PS WallStreet Capper You are Banned from my THREADS!!!
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    This is a staged production I'll keep it simple
    The Senario
    1 Centralize the banking system into a small group of banks,  Foreign government and Central banks and  to work with the FED
     
    2 Create an "inflationary envirnonment" and drive bond prices lower and have the fed raise and hold these rates high to "fight inflation"
     
    3) Create a huge federal deficit and have the treasury sell massive amounts of bonds to these team players
     
    4) Have the central banks of the world mannipulate Gold and Oil to new highs creating a commodity and inflationary bubble
     
    5) Turn on the propaganda machine that the dollar is going to hell in a handbasket further creating a demand for commodities and gold
     
    6) Have the cetral banks sell massive amounts of gold into public and unimformed hands because of this "inflation"
     
    7) Create a financial  panic by withholding credit from the system by destroying the overleveraged mortgage market and wiping out capital in many banks
     
    6) Trash housing prices and in turn create a fear that the banks are not safe.
     
    7) Centralize the banking system by creating runs that destroy marginally run banks
     
    8) The result of this panic is to drive massive amounts of money into THE GOVERNMENT BONDS CREATED IN STEP 3 ABOVE.
    Shazam the bonds go to new highs creating hugh profits for the team of banks and central bankers 
     
    9) Drag your feet on the bailout to get rid of the banks you don't control creating superbanks that you can control in the next cycle.
     
    10 This drives interest rates to amazing lows that 1 year later will be used by these players to start the economy all over again
     
    11) GOLD BUGS PAY ATTENTION TO THIS STEP
    When they are ready to sell their bonds into the system WE WILL HAVE A DEFLATION AND "DEPRESSARY WORRIES"
    GOLD WILL FRICKING COLLAPSE INTO A PILE OF CRAMER.
    AND BONDS WILL GO TO THE MOON.
     
    12] Team FED ..the banks SELL THEIR HUGE POSITION IN BONDS BOUGHT IN STEP 3 ABOVE.
     
    13) Ram a Bailout bill through congress for 600 billion
     
    14 Finance this by GET THIS ....SELLING 600 BILLION IN BONDS. No problem because everyone wants to be safe in these scary times right. 
     The bond market gobbles this up which may be done in steps over the next year or so or if they destroy the stock market now then they will do it all at once. <Not my personal favorite
     
    15} Bad mortgages are gobbled up by the 600 billion and are securitized..  Sold as packaged securities to the hedge funds Black rock et al and guys like Bill "I'm a lieing piece of Cramer" Gross..You know the wink wink Guru of the bond market ...see step 3 above.
     
    16) Everyone gets to refinance at 4% 30 year rates and pay off their credit cards.
     
    17) This one cracks me up ...Pass laws on regulation and oversight SO IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
     
    The cycle starts all over again
     
    The End ...Mikey...The Market Shadow
    PS WallStreet Capper You are Banned from my THREADS!!!
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 3:25 PM ET #2

    mikey  
     
     
    nice write up, worse part is watching these goons on capital hill.Fucking Dumbasses.
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    mikey  
     
     
    nice write up, worse part is watching these goons on capital hill.Fucking Dumbasses.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 3:39 PM ET #3

    Where we are now   They need to sell allot of bonds over the next year so the noise will push “investors into the bond market just when they have a need to sell all of those bailout bonds. The assets of the defaulted banks are being bought up and distributed to the insiders for penny’s on the dollar. Those assets will skyrocket and the congress is arguing over who will get to own and manage those assets the is the hang up in congress now the deal is done the coyotes are arguing over the carcass...The beat goes on

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    Where we are now   They need to sell allot of bonds over the next year so the noise will push “investors into the bond market just when they have a need to sell all of those bailout bonds. The assets of the defaulted banks are being bought up and distributed to the insiders for penny’s on the dollar. Those assets will skyrocket and the congress is arguing over who will get to own and manage those assets the is the hang up in congress now the deal is done the coyotes are arguing over the carcass...The beat goes on

     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 3:58 PM ET #4

    What to do.... I think the deal gets done and we rally into the election. I give that at least a 65/35 chance.
    The UYG and The XLF are great great long term buys here add on if they drop position for the long term
    Gold is the easiest call short and long term is is going to get murdrered. why? read the above senario..it has to.
    You see in this world we are just looking at illusions based on false facts that we have been feed.
    Mikey...the beat goes on
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    What to do.... I think the deal gets done and we rally into the election. I give that at least a 65/35 chance.
    The UYG and The XLF are great great long term buys here add on if they drop position for the long term
    Gold is the easiest call short and long term is is going to get murdrered. why? read the above senario..it has to.
    You see in this world we are just looking at illusions based on false facts that we have been feed.
    Mikey...the beat goes on
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 4:17 PM ET #5

    There is a 20% chance that this thing crashes now I don't think it will but they don't talk to me. The best bet is to short Gold now and keep on shorting it on any rally
    Mikey
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    There is a 20% chance that this thing crashes now I don't think it will but they don't talk to me. The best bet is to short Gold now and keep on shorting it on any rally
    Mikey
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 7:14 PM ET #6

    Mikey,

    What the hell is your problem?

    You created an alias, maybe you need some time in the box to sober up.

    Read the site manifesto and cool it with being pissed off that I banned the other account.

    See you in a few weeks.


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    Mikey,

    What the hell is your problem?

    You created an alias, maybe you need some time in the box to sober up.

    Read the site manifesto and cool it with being pissed off that I banned the other account.

    See you in a few weeks.


     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 7:23 PM ET #7

    WTF did I walk into in between games?

    Come on guys, both of you grow up a little.

    Mikey, you are pissed about you other name, but rules are rules.

    WSC, you are bigger than this, no need to box him, just tell him to chill out and if he keeps pushing the issue then box him.  The only issue I have seen between you two was the MarketShadow thing and the line above, neither being more than petty BS which is what over 50% of the posts in every other forum is.
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    WTF did I walk into in between games?

    Come on guys, both of you grow up a little.

    Mikey, you are pissed about you other name, but rules are rules.

    WSC, you are bigger than this, no need to box him, just tell him to chill out and if he keeps pushing the issue then box him.  The only issue I have seen between you two was the MarketShadow thing and the line above, neither being more than petty BS which is what over 50% of the posts in every other forum is.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 9:01 PM ET #8

    jax,

    He had it coming.

    I tried to be a nice guy since he posts in here, but telling me I am banned from his threads is stupid. So he gets the same treatment any other member who creates an alias does, he gets some box time.

    Seems like he didnt care to be respectful, fine with me.
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    jax,

    He had it coming.

    I tried to be a nice guy since he posts in here, but telling me I am banned from his threads is stupid. So he gets the same treatment any other member who creates an alias does, he gets some box time.

    Seems like he didnt care to be respectful, fine with me.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2008 - 9:32 PM ET #9

    I get what you are saying, I just thought that the guys that post in this section would be able to work through their differences better than in other sections of Covers.

    As to the other screen name, calling it an alias is a bit much.  We all know the intention of that rule and using that as a reason is  well, weak.  Especially given the fact that it was banned several days ago.

    What he wrote above was childish and something I did not think I would see in here, but not something that you two couldn't have worked out in the course of normal message board conversation.

    I'm going back to watch Georgia get their shyt pushed in
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    I get what you are saying, I just thought that the guys that post in this section would be able to work through their differences better than in other sections of Covers.

    As to the other screen name, calling it an alias is a bit much.  We all know the intention of that rule and using that as a reason is  well, weak.  Especially given the fact that it was banned several days ago.

    What he wrote above was childish and something I did not think I would see in here, but not something that you two couldn't have worked out in the course of normal message board conversation.

    I'm going back to watch Georgia get their shyt pushed in
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2008 - 12:23 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:

    I get what you are saying, I just thought that the guys that post in this section would be able to work through their differences better than in other sections of Covers.

    As to the other screen name, calling it an alias is a bit much.  We all know the intention of that rule and using that as a reason is  well, weak.  Especially given the fact that it was banned several days ago.

    What he wrote above was childish and something I did not think I would see in here, but not something that you two couldn't have worked out in the course of normal message board conversation.

    I'm going back to watch Georgia get their shyt pushed in

     

    .  I agree with what was said above.  Don't want to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but I agree that it could have been worked out without the boxing.  I think his statement was a little childish and unneccesary, especially in the investment section, but I think he makes a lot of good points and contributes well to the forum, and I would hate to see a good poster decide to not come back over something stupid like that.

     

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:

    I get what you are saying, I just thought that the guys that post in this section would be able to work through their differences better than in other sections of Covers.

    As to the other screen name, calling it an alias is a bit much.  We all know the intention of that rule and using that as a reason is  well, weak.  Especially given the fact that it was banned several days ago.

    What he wrote above was childish and something I did not think I would see in here, but not something that you two couldn't have worked out in the course of normal message board conversation.

    I'm going back to watch Georgia get their shyt pushed in

     

    .  I agree with what was said above.  Don't want to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but I agree that it could have been worked out without the boxing.  I think his statement was a little childish and unneccesary, especially in the investment section, but I think he makes a lot of good points and contributes well to the forum, and I would hate to see a good poster decide to not come back over something stupid like that.

     

    Just my 2 cents.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2008 - 12:57 AM ET #11

    Fellas,

    The problem is that no area of the site is immune to the Manifesto, here or anywhere.

    He gave an "adios" thread saying he was gone and never coming back, then he makes an alias (go look it up, its right there) which broke the rules.

    I then tried to tell him that he cannot make aliases just because he didnt like the username (hell I dont like MY username, when the Wagerline merge happened I lost my original username but I didnt go and make another) and many other posters arent thrilled with their names, but it is not ok to create another. When you make a name that is what you stick with.

    Then he comes back with mikey after the other was banned, even though he said he was done and he was pissed off that I banned the other account and acts like a jerk. I see no reason for me to bend rules in this area, and ESPECIALLY when the guy is a jerk to me to boot.

    I should have acted on boxing him initially, I was on vacation and actually forgot about the whole thing, and his rude comment to me just reminded the fact that he broke the rules after being told it wasnt ok, this is all on him. He was told BEFORE making the alias that it is NOT ok to make an alias..believe me, the guy was warned and given plenty of chances and he brought this on himself.

    He will be out of the box in a few weeks barring getting banned before hand.


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    Fellas,

    The problem is that no area of the site is immune to the Manifesto, here or anywhere.

    He gave an "adios" thread saying he was gone and never coming back, then he makes an alias (go look it up, its right there) which broke the rules.

    I then tried to tell him that he cannot make aliases just because he didnt like the username (hell I dont like MY username, when the Wagerline merge happened I lost my original username but I didnt go and make another) and many other posters arent thrilled with their names, but it is not ok to create another. When you make a name that is what you stick with.

    Then he comes back with mikey after the other was banned, even though he said he was done and he was pissed off that I banned the other account and acts like a jerk. I see no reason for me to bend rules in this area, and ESPECIALLY when the guy is a jerk to me to boot.

    I should have acted on boxing him initially, I was on vacation and actually forgot about the whole thing, and his rude comment to me just reminded the fact that he broke the rules after being told it wasnt ok, this is all on him. He was told BEFORE making the alias that it is NOT ok to make an alias..believe me, the guy was warned and given plenty of chances and he brought this on himself.

    He will be out of the box in a few weeks barring getting banned before hand.


     
    wallstreetcappers
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2008 - 1:01 AM ET #12

    LINK
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    LINK
     
    sasquatches1
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2008 - 9:14 AM ET #13

    I agree with wallstreet here.   
     
    Now, let's see if we can make some money in the NFL today before WB makes me happy on Monday
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    I agree with wallstreet here.   
     
    Now, let's see if we can make some money in the NFL today before WB makes me happy on Monday
     
    accventures
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2008 - 9:45 PM ET #14

    I do too
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    I do too
     
    brooklyn1
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2008 - 10:26 PM ET #15

    Mikey,  dont do the crime if you cant do the time,,   you can do 2 weeks standing on your head,,,  .
     
    WSC  maybe let him do 80 % like the feds do..  time off for good behavior.    
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    Mikey,  dont do the crime if you cant do the time,,   you can do 2 weeks standing on your head,,,  .
     
    WSC  maybe let him do 80 % like the feds do..  time off for good behavior.    
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2008 - 10:30 AM ET #16

    FREE MIKEY
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    FREE MIKEY
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2008 - 10:43 AM ET #17

    WSC
     
    Perception is everything. In this case it appeared that you kept an Ace up your sleeve and played it for personal reasons. Thanks for clarifying that that was not the case.
     
    Looking forward to having Mikey back.
     
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    Perception is everything. In this case it appeared that you kept an Ace up your sleeve and played it for personal reasons. Thanks for clarifying that that was not the case.
     
    Looking forward to having Mikey back.
     
     
    jaxwhitey
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2008 - 2:19 PM ET #18

    Mikey start a thread in the Penalty Box section

    I got some questions
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    Mikey start a thread in the Penalty Box section

    I got some questions
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2008 - 2:30 PM ET #19

    Why not allow people to change their username if they dont like it?
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    Why not allow people to change their username if they dont like it?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2008 - 2:31 PM ET #20

    Because those in other forums use it to mask their shitty records and use it to tout themselves.
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    Because those in other forums use it to mask their shitty records and use it to tout themselves.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2008 - 2:34 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Why not allow people to change their username if they dont like it?


    cd, read the Manifesto. You dont have the option of changing usernames, once you pick one you are stuck with it.

    Mikey decided he could change usernames because he WANTED to and he could. Well it looks like he couldnt..


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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Why not allow people to change their username if they dont like it?


    cd, read the Manifesto. You dont have the option of changing usernames, once you pick one you are stuck with it.

    Mikey decided he could change usernames because he WANTED to and he could. Well it looks like he couldnt..


     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2008 - 6:33 PM ET #22

    Mikey needs some box time
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    Mikey needs some box time
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