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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 6:27 PM ET #1

    Wallstreet-
     
    I'm in no man's land when it comes to eligibility to contribute to a roth this year (with gross income on my W-2, I qualify for a PARTIAL contribution right now). 
     
    Since I've already made my entire contribution for 2007 (I do it on E-Trade), I'm going to have to back part of it out.  It was stupid, but I really thought I would be able to contribute the whole amount this year....a pretty significant gross up on a bonus killed me (it will really help me tax-wise, but it obviously hurt roth-wise).
     
    Anyway, I'm waiting for my K-1 report to file my taxes.  My questions is this:  Will any business income from this K-1 report needed to be factored into my Roth IRA eligibility calculation?  We're an S-Corp...two owners...I'm minority.  We have largely been socking away our earnings (in addition to paying ourselves).  In other words, we haven't been skimming huge $'s...and we have a good amount of $ in the bank (which we have already been taxed on).  We spent a lot last year on some expansion stuff so we didn't have a lot of net income.  This year, it will be a bit different (I don't have final numbers yet).
     
    Anyway, I want to get this Roth thing straightened out, but don't want to start screwing around with it if my K-1 is going to have an effect on it. 
     
    Is it best just to wait for the report and then see where I'm at or can I calculate my partial contribution based on the gross income figures I have in front of me right now?
     
    I tried to look on-line and my tax guy is gone until next Monday....this is really bothering me (having illegal contribution money in my Roth account).  I'd like to get it taken care of as soon as possible.
     
    Any help would be appreciated.  .
     
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    I'm in no man's land when it comes to eligibility to contribute to a roth this year (with gross income on my W-2, I qualify for a PARTIAL contribution right now). 
     
    Since I've already made my entire contribution for 2007 (I do it on E-Trade), I'm going to have to back part of it out.  It was stupid, but I really thought I would be able to contribute the whole amount this year....a pretty significant gross up on a bonus killed me (it will really help me tax-wise, but it obviously hurt roth-wise).
     
    Anyway, I'm waiting for my K-1 report to file my taxes.  My questions is this:  Will any business income from this K-1 report needed to be factored into my Roth IRA eligibility calculation?  We're an S-Corp...two owners...I'm minority.  We have largely been socking away our earnings (in addition to paying ourselves).  In other words, we haven't been skimming huge $'s...and we have a good amount of $ in the bank (which we have already been taxed on).  We spent a lot last year on some expansion stuff so we didn't have a lot of net income.  This year, it will be a bit different (I don't have final numbers yet).
     
    Anyway, I want to get this Roth thing straightened out, but don't want to start screwing around with it if my K-1 is going to have an effect on it. 
     
    Is it best just to wait for the report and then see where I'm at or can I calculate my partial contribution based on the gross income figures I have in front of me right now?
     
    I tried to look on-line and my tax guy is gone until next Monday....this is really bothering me (having illegal contribution money in my Roth account).  I'd like to get it taken care of as soon as possible.
     
    Any help would be appreciated.  .
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 7:04 PM ET #2

    Hutch,

    I had the same issue last year and will have the same this year. We have a business, LLC and get the income through the same fashion. It goes directly to the calculation of eligibility. It is on page one of the 1040, and if you look at the way you calculate Roth eligibility it is from AGI numbers, which INCLUDES business income.

    Pull out last years return (if you have a paper one) and look where AGI ends up coming from, and unfortunately it includes W-2, investment income etc..

    Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear but yep..

    You MIGHT be able to still have a traditional IRA and just recharacterize the IRA from a Roth to a traditional. If you have gains on it, that is a little more sticky but it is somthing you can deal with.

    The same reason you gave about income restriction is why I didnt fund my 2007 because I wasnt sure where my/our AGI would end up..
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    Hutch,

    I had the same issue last year and will have the same this year. We have a business, LLC and get the income through the same fashion. It goes directly to the calculation of eligibility. It is on page one of the 1040, and if you look at the way you calculate Roth eligibility it is from AGI numbers, which INCLUDES business income.

    Pull out last years return (if you have a paper one) and look where AGI ends up coming from, and unfortunately it includes W-2, investment income etc..

    Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear but yep..

    You MIGHT be able to still have a traditional IRA and just recharacterize the IRA from a Roth to a traditional. If you have gains on it, that is a little more sticky but it is somthing you can deal with.

    The same reason you gave about income restriction is why I didnt fund my 2007 because I wasnt sure where my/our AGI would end up..
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 7:05 PM ET #3

    Found this real quick-

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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 8:15 PM ET #4

    Exactly what I was looking for and I do have a paper copy of my return from last year at home....will check it when I get home. 
     
    At least I now know that I'm going to have to wait to straighten this out.  That's what I wanted to know.  Thanks much.
     
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    Exactly what I was looking for and I do have a paper copy of my return from last year at home....will check it when I get home. 
     
    At least I now know that I'm going to have to wait to straighten this out.  That's what I wanted to know.  Thanks much.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 8:16 PM ET #5

    BTW, what business are you in?
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2008 - 9:47 PM ET #6

    Hutch,

    We had a small tech company and this and that over the last 4 yrs or so..nothing big, but enough for Roth issues..haha

    Near the bottom of the first page it shows AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) and if you look UP the page, you will see where the K-1 comes in BEFORE the end of the AGI calculation..
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    Hutch,

    We had a small tech company and this and that over the last 4 yrs or so..nothing big, but enough for Roth issues..haha

    Near the bottom of the first page it shows AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) and if you look UP the page, you will see where the K-1 comes in BEFORE the end of the AGI calculation..
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