Anyone else sick and tired of Specialists ruining the market by their "legal" market making powers.
Today, UMC is trading at 2.52 for the last few minutes and then at exactly 4:00:01 a trade goes through by a specialist at 2.28.
How the f*ck do they constantly get away with this crap. Their responsibility is to ensure liquidity in the market place. UMC had nearly 3 million shares trade in the last 1hr...what liquidity was needed?
I had "end of day market orders by firms" and I hate the specialists get away with murder on a daily basis.
...and they ask why guys like me won't put their money into the markets. #1 reason - it isn't ethical.
....ok, I've vented.
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Anyone else sick and tired of Specialists ruining the market by their "legal" market making powers.
Today, UMC is trading at 2.52 for the last few minutes and then at exactly 4:00:01 a trade goes through by a specialist at 2.28.
How the f*ck do they constantly get away with this crap. Their responsibility is to ensure liquidity in the market place. UMC had nearly 3 million shares trade in the last 1hr...what liquidity was needed?
I had "end of day market orders by firms" and I hate the specialists get away with murder on a daily basis.
...and they ask why guys like me won't put their money into the markets. #1 reason - it isn't ethical.
the yiddish word "gonoph" made to describe NYSE "specialists" because "fucking thief" wasn't strong enough. on ANY exchange on any THIN stock or in a slow market, a MARKET order is an invitation to RAPE.
you might want to check time and trade with your bokerage firm. I took a 7 cent fucking on a LVS market order a few days ago BUT the people at TD Ameritrade were able to get it corrected. doesn't happen too often because they make up some "stock ahead" or some other bullshit story BUT it's worth a try.
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the yiddish word "gonoph" made to describe NYSE "specialists" because "fucking thief" wasn't strong enough. on ANY exchange on any THIN stock or in a slow market, a MARKET order is an invitation to RAPE.
you might want to check time and trade with your bokerage firm. I took a 7 cent fucking on a LVS market order a few days ago BUT the people at TD Ameritrade were able to get it corrected. doesn't happen too often because they make up some "stock ahead" or some other bullshit story BUT it's worth a try.
Forgot about the triple witching day today...thanks koaj.
LRR - It's not the first time this screw job has happened. Last time was with a fund called hyf which I tried to buy at 1.00. It was trading at 1.12 for most of the day and smack right at 3:59:36 the specialist fills a big order at 1.97 bypassing on the buyers.
I filled complaints after complaints but it led me nowhere. Even lost my account with Raymond James b/c I embarrassed them lol, but now deal with TD.
It's ridiculous that they can get away with this...
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Forgot about the triple witching day today...thanks koaj.
LRR - It's not the first time this screw job has happened. Last time was with a fund called hyf which I tried to buy at 1.00. It was trading at 1.12 for most of the day and smack right at 3:59:36 the specialist fills a big order at 1.97 bypassing on the buyers.
I filled complaints after complaints but it led me nowhere. Even lost my account with Raymond James b/c I embarrassed them lol, but now deal with TD.
It's ridiculous that they can get away with this...
I am surprised that some here arent catching the obvious.
The specialist isnt screwing anyone..to those who didnt know, any SOES block trades which are outside the bid/ask are reported and they can be strange trades, especially on thin stocks..a large order for an NYSE stock can be negociated from firm to firm, they are shipped via the SOES system, it is perfectly legal and you as a retail trader should NOT watch the tape on an NYSE stock, just focus on the bid/ask, that is all that matters.
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I think you are confusing the tape.
I am surprised that some here arent catching the obvious.
The specialist isnt screwing anyone..to those who didnt know, any SOES block trades which are outside the bid/ask are reported and they can be strange trades, especially on thin stocks..a large order for an NYSE stock can be negociated from firm to firm, they are shipped via the SOES system, it is perfectly legal and you as a retail trader should NOT watch the tape on an NYSE stock, just focus on the bid/ask, that is all that matters.
WSC - ok, I think I sorta understand. That explains the 2million share trade at 4 min after the close. But how do you explain 6,000 shares being traded at .20 below the current bid/ask with 30seconds left of the trade. UMC isn't lightly traded, over 7million shares were traded before the final 2 million order was made.
I have friends who work on wallstreet and they tell me all the time that specialists are shady, but they have a right to be as they take a lot of risk.
Not trying to challenge you...just trying to learn.
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WSC - ok, I think I sorta understand. That explains the 2million share trade at 4 min after the close. But how do you explain 6,000 shares being traded at .20 below the current bid/ask with 30seconds left of the trade. UMC isn't lightly traded, over 7million shares were traded before the final 2 million order was made.
I have friends who work on wallstreet and they tell me all the time that specialists are shady, but they have a right to be as they take a lot of risk.
Not trying to challenge you...just trying to learn.
Dont worry about trades outside the bid and ask, ONLY concern yourself with proper fills at the current bid/ask because as a RETAIL client you are not entitled to institutional pricing, meaning retail owners purchase and sell from the bid.ask.
You also can see LATE prints, that happens all the time.
If you wanted an answer, call a broker, someone that has strong time and sales data including the type of trade..that would tell you what KIND of order it was, if it was a late report or a trade from one firm to another etc etc.
Now if you can find a series of small lot trades at the bid/ask and THAT changes and you werent filled when you were DUE a fill, that is another story.
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FrozenTundra,
Dont worry about trades outside the bid and ask, ONLY concern yourself with proper fills at the current bid/ask because as a RETAIL client you are not entitled to institutional pricing, meaning retail owners purchase and sell from the bid.ask.
You also can see LATE prints, that happens all the time.
If you wanted an answer, call a broker, someone that has strong time and sales data including the type of trade..that would tell you what KIND of order it was, if it was a late report or a trade from one firm to another etc etc.
Now if you can find a series of small lot trades at the bid/ask and THAT changes and you werent filled when you were DUE a fill, that is another story.
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