opened 1.27 and moved to an intraday high of 1.58. then dumped @ 2:45 est back down to 1.26. now 1.40 @ 3:35. I got in on 10k @ 1.28
"BioSolar, Inc. is developing a breakthrough technology to produce bioplastic materials from renewable plant sources that will reduce the cost per watt of solar cells. Most of the solar industry is focused on photovoltaic efficiency to reduce cost. BioSolar is the first company to introduce a new dimension of cost reduction by replacing petroleum-based plastic solar cell components with durable biobased plastics. To learn more about BioSolar, please visit our website at https://www.biosolar.com."
opened 1.27 and moved to an intraday high of 1.58. then dumped @ 2:45 est back down to 1.26. now 1.40 @ 3:35. I got in on 10k @ 1.28
"BioSolar, Inc. is developing a breakthrough technology to produce bioplastic materials from renewable plant sources that will reduce the cost per watt of solar cells. Most of the solar industry is focused on photovoltaic efficiency to reduce cost. BioSolar is the first company to introduce a new dimension of cost reduction by replacing petroleum-based plastic solar cell components with durable biobased plastics. To learn more about BioSolar, please visit our website at https://www.biosolar.com."
I have a hard time thinking that a bio plastic would cost less than regular plastic.
Plus the plastic portion of the solar cells doesnt do much..it just holds the cells into the panel.
I dont see this as a big deal personally, the real cost of the solar panel isnt in the plastic exterior or interior, its in the guts of the solar cell.
So tell me what you have uncovered here..maybe I am missing somthing?
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How does the product compare efficiency wise?
I have a hard time thinking that a bio plastic would cost less than regular plastic.
Plus the plastic portion of the solar cells doesnt do much..it just holds the cells into the panel.
I dont see this as a big deal personally, the real cost of the solar panel isnt in the plastic exterior or interior, its in the guts of the solar cell.
So tell me what you have uncovered here..maybe I am missing somthing?
well from what I understand about the solar cell industry, walls, reduction in production cost of a durable solar array is one of the "holy grails". these people MAY be on the right track for that BUT, like any "penny" company in a new technology, they could be a complete bullshit story. I bought in just because of the price action today. the 10 day chart looks like an upward acceleration.
will see what happens. it closed @ 1.39
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well from what I understand about the solar cell industry, walls, reduction in production cost of a durable solar array is one of the "holy grails". these people MAY be on the right track for that BUT, like any "penny" company in a new technology, they could be a complete bullshit story. I bought in just because of the price action today. the 10 day chart looks like an upward acceleration.
I see that you have a thing for solar companies. I'm actually in the industry (solar/renewable energy products sales and installations) and at the price Biosolar could be a great find. The demand for solar and photovoltaic systems are at an all-time high but the price for systems are very high because of the lack of raw materials to build the cells and panels.
With energy costs soaring to new levels, solar and other renewable products will only become a hotter commodity. Look for more government subsidies to make these products more tangiable for homeowners and commercial/industrial developers.
I see that you have a thing for solar companies. I'm actually in the industry (solar/renewable energy products sales and installations) and at the price Biosolar could be a great find. The demand for solar and photovoltaic systems are at an all-time high but the price for systems are very high because of the lack of raw materials to build the cells and panels.
With energy costs soaring to new levels, solar and other renewable products will only become a hotter commodity. Look for more government subsidies to make these products more tangiable for homeowners and commercial/industrial developers.
thanx for the info, jthollywood. always good to hear from someone in the industry when checking a stock.
IF you don't mind, would you also take a look at Akeena Solar (AKNS nasdaq-cm) and give an opinion? it's had a big run but has recently backed off some. same with Evergreen Solar (ESLR nasdaq-gm)s had a big run but now has backed off some
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thanx for the info, jthollywood. always good to hear from someone in the industry when checking a stock.
IF you don't mind, would you also take a look at Akeena Solar (AKNS nasdaq-cm) and give an opinion? it's had a big run but has recently backed off some. same with Evergreen Solar (ESLR nasdaq-gm)s had a big run but now has backed off some
well THAT came up SHIT!!! was expecting SOME carryover from monday. instead the damn stock headed straight south. an hour and a half in and it's posted an intraday low of 0.94 and currently 1.07.
down a quick two dimes. don't know wether to hold, average down or blow it out. will probably hold for now
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well THAT came up SHIT!!! was expecting SOME carryover from monday. instead the damn stock headed straight south. an hour and a half in and it's posted an intraday low of 0.94 and currently 1.07.
down a quick two dimes. don't know wether to hold, average down or blow it out. will probably hold for now
maybe I'm screwing up but I bot another 10k @ 0.96 for a trade.
I think a lot of the selling is people with big short term profits AND the condition of the overall market. ALL the solars and other alt energy stocks are getting clipped today
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maybe I'm screwing up but I bot another 10k @ 0.96 for a trade.
I think a lot of the selling is people with big short term profits AND the condition of the overall market. ALL the solars and other alt energy stocks are getting clipped today
You're right about solar stocks tanking today but that seems like the entire market across the board (unless you're in the dairy industry). As far as Akeena Solar goes it doesn't interest me....I would stay away. They are different fro Evergreen because they just do sales and installs of solar systems (similar to myself). Evergreen on the other hand manufactures the panels but their products aren't competitive....yet. The rest of the industry is catching up to the SUNPOWERS and other large manufactuers but need to upgrade their products. Evergreen is selling a 195 watt panel as their best panel while SUNPOWER is pumping out their 220 watt panel (at a competitive price) like crazy. They are also selling a 310+ watt panel for commercial use. That doesn't mean I like Sunpower (especially at the price). The ret of the industry is catching up and it is becoming inidated with new and inproved manufactuers everyday. Companies such as BP, Sanyo and sharp are making products that can compete with sunpower. The big thing is there is still a shortage of raw materials and that is why com panies such as BIOSOLAR might be a good avenue. Still BIOSOLAR's 52 week low is .15 so i am staying away.....for now. my uncle has ties to some chinesse buisnessman who work in renewable energy products (mainly ethanol and solar) but says that they are working with this doctor from Stanford on an alternative to silicon for solar cells.......i am not sure how much validity there is to that but my uncle is pretty reliable. We are probably years away from the manufactuers finding and testing any alternative......
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LeRinkRat,
You're right about solar stocks tanking today but that seems like the entire market across the board (unless you're in the dairy industry). As far as Akeena Solar goes it doesn't interest me....I would stay away. They are different fro Evergreen because they just do sales and installs of solar systems (similar to myself). Evergreen on the other hand manufactures the panels but their products aren't competitive....yet. The rest of the industry is catching up to the SUNPOWERS and other large manufactuers but need to upgrade their products. Evergreen is selling a 195 watt panel as their best panel while SUNPOWER is pumping out their 220 watt panel (at a competitive price) like crazy. They are also selling a 310+ watt panel for commercial use. That doesn't mean I like Sunpower (especially at the price). The ret of the industry is catching up and it is becoming inidated with new and inproved manufactuers everyday. Companies such as BP, Sanyo and sharp are making products that can compete with sunpower. The big thing is there is still a shortage of raw materials and that is why com panies such as BIOSOLAR might be a good avenue. Still BIOSOLAR's 52 week low is .15 so i am staying away.....for now. my uncle has ties to some chinesse buisnessman who work in renewable energy products (mainly ethanol and solar) but says that they are working with this doctor from Stanford on an alternative to silicon for solar cells.......i am not sure how much validity there is to that but my uncle is pretty reliable. We are probably years away from the manufactuers finding and testing any alternative......
.....back to Akeena. i don't like their business model and I have not yet priced their products and services but I bet they are on the higher end on the price. The US market is very fragmented as far as sales/installs go so the market is for the taking. Akeena will not go anywhere un less they get huge commercial contracts but companies like REC solar are cleaning up on those contracts. Once again I am not impressed with REC as I had a rep in my house a few weeks ago and their prices aren't very competitive and their presentation was sub-par. Just like the manufactuers of the panels the sales and installs are becoming flooded with new companies, but they won't evr be competitive.
As an investment watch for manufactuers who get a large contract for raw materials and stay away from overrated and priced companies like sunpower....the rest will catch them soon. Also look for companies ,like Biosolar, who have new technology to bring down the costs of manufactuering the panels.....and stay away from the thin film cells becaus eno one wants to sell or install it.......not efficient and lacks the durability of a photovoltaic panel
soory about the book but I will keep you posted if I hear anything in the industry. i spend about 18 hours a day talking about and researching solar. i will let you know when i am about to go public....
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.....back to Akeena. i don't like their business model and I have not yet priced their products and services but I bet they are on the higher end on the price. The US market is very fragmented as far as sales/installs go so the market is for the taking. Akeena will not go anywhere un less they get huge commercial contracts but companies like REC solar are cleaning up on those contracts. Once again I am not impressed with REC as I had a rep in my house a few weeks ago and their prices aren't very competitive and their presentation was sub-par. Just like the manufactuers of the panels the sales and installs are becoming flooded with new companies, but they won't evr be competitive.
As an investment watch for manufactuers who get a large contract for raw materials and stay away from overrated and priced companies like sunpower....the rest will catch them soon. Also look for companies ,like Biosolar, who have new technology to bring down the costs of manufactuering the panels.....and stay away from the thin film cells becaus eno one wants to sell or install it.......not efficient and lacks the durability of a photovoltaic panel
soory about the book but I will keep you posted if I hear anything in the industry. i spend about 18 hours a day talking about and researching solar. i will let you know when i am about to go public....
will see what happens with BSRC. took a bad % hit today. 50 day MA is around 0.75 while the 200 day MA is around 0.50. I think I will be ok down the road as long as it stays above that 50 day.
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I really appreciate it, jthollywood.
will see what happens with BSRC. took a bad % hit today. 50 day MA is around 0.75 while the 200 day MA is around 0.50. I think I will be ok down the road as long as it stays above that 50 day.
So tell me, I was peeking around at residential solar for a future house I might be moving to (down the road) and to be honest I was swamped with all the competing information out there..from efficiencies to components (meaning some solar cells are made with different grade silicon and other materials) and what kind of return do you get from these 20k to 30k residential systems? I have read that most residential solar systems cannot "store" the excess energy, so either you are tied to the main grid and get some terrible return on the excess which goes to the power company (I have seen rates like 2.5c vs 5 c which they CHARGE you as a customer etc, so if you dont use it you lose it.
Any info would be appreciated and what system do you think is the most efficient, yet priced reasonably for residential and how much does it cost to get to the different break points (like 50% production or 75% production for your needs etc)
Last thing..with all the efficiencies out there impoving, do you think it would be wise to wait a few yrs until the pricing comes down and the efficiencies improve? I think silicon pricing is going to come down dramatically in the next few years..
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JT,
Interesting stuff about solar.
So tell me, I was peeking around at residential solar for a future house I might be moving to (down the road) and to be honest I was swamped with all the competing information out there..from efficiencies to components (meaning some solar cells are made with different grade silicon and other materials) and what kind of return do you get from these 20k to 30k residential systems? I have read that most residential solar systems cannot "store" the excess energy, so either you are tied to the main grid and get some terrible return on the excess which goes to the power company (I have seen rates like 2.5c vs 5 c which they CHARGE you as a customer etc, so if you dont use it you lose it.
Any info would be appreciated and what system do you think is the most efficient, yet priced reasonably for residential and how much does it cost to get to the different break points (like 50% production or 75% production for your needs etc)
Last thing..with all the efficiencies out there impoving, do you think it would be wise to wait a few yrs until the pricing comes down and the efficiencies improve? I think silicon pricing is going to come down dramatically in the next few years..
First off what state do you live in? We need to see if there is any state incentive programs that might make a system more affordable. If your state does not have any incentives (i guarantee they will soon) I would just wait a while to see if the prices come down a bit (it wouldn't hurt you). If you lived in a state like california I would recommend getting a system soon. Not only does the state of cali have it's solar initiative some utility companies have additional incentive programs to help pay for the system. I have a customer right now who is going to eliminate his electric bill...the gross cost of his system will be around $46,000. His rebate from the state and his utility company will be over $23,000. That brings the cost of his system down below $23,000 and he receives a federal tax credit of $2,000. Hopefully congress brings back that tax incentive bill that give you an additional 30% in tax cfredits (which are $ for $ and good for 10 years and retro active to all customers who purchased a system in '08). Currently commercial/industrila properties get the full 30% in federal tax credits plus a 5 accelerated depreciation write-off of the system in the first year......they get a ROI in about 3 years. These incentive programs are tiered and the rebates get smaller as we reach certain amounts of killowatts of renewable energy produced.
If you go solar it is best to be tied to the grid (the grid banks any extra power you produce). You can have a battery pack system in your garage but that takes up alot of space, brings up the cost substantially and they aren't very efficient (only can power part of your house at a time). If your state has incentive programs and you are interested (whether now or down the road) all you need to do is get your annual killowatt hours and have companies quote you. i will let you know if you are getting a good deal or not.
Most panels are created equal. They are in the same ball of efficiency and all carry 25 year warranties. In california the average life span of a system is over 40 years.....will outlive most of my customers. Also if you are in a state without incentives and the peek sun hours are limited, especially in the fall, winter and spring you will have to add extra panels to help capture more of the suns' rays.
Sooner or later the entire country will have to rethink the way we use and produce energy. Energy rates are getting out of control (Southern california Edison got the OK from the Utility commission to raise residential rate 14.8% in '08 to residential customers).
if you have any questions about a system I will be more than happy to help.........
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WSC,
First off what state do you live in? We need to see if there is any state incentive programs that might make a system more affordable. If your state does not have any incentives (i guarantee they will soon) I would just wait a while to see if the prices come down a bit (it wouldn't hurt you). If you lived in a state like california I would recommend getting a system soon. Not only does the state of cali have it's solar initiative some utility companies have additional incentive programs to help pay for the system. I have a customer right now who is going to eliminate his electric bill...the gross cost of his system will be around $46,000. His rebate from the state and his utility company will be over $23,000. That brings the cost of his system down below $23,000 and he receives a federal tax credit of $2,000. Hopefully congress brings back that tax incentive bill that give you an additional 30% in tax cfredits (which are $ for $ and good for 10 years and retro active to all customers who purchased a system in '08). Currently commercial/industrila properties get the full 30% in federal tax credits plus a 5 accelerated depreciation write-off of the system in the first year......they get a ROI in about 3 years. These incentive programs are tiered and the rebates get smaller as we reach certain amounts of killowatts of renewable energy produced.
If you go solar it is best to be tied to the grid (the grid banks any extra power you produce). You can have a battery pack system in your garage but that takes up alot of space, brings up the cost substantially and they aren't very efficient (only can power part of your house at a time). If your state has incentive programs and you are interested (whether now or down the road) all you need to do is get your annual killowatt hours and have companies quote you. i will let you know if you are getting a good deal or not.
Most panels are created equal. They are in the same ball of efficiency and all carry 25 year warranties. In california the average life span of a system is over 40 years.....will outlive most of my customers. Also if you are in a state without incentives and the peek sun hours are limited, especially in the fall, winter and spring you will have to add extra panels to help capture more of the suns' rays.
Sooner or later the entire country will have to rethink the way we use and produce energy. Energy rates are getting out of control (Southern california Edison got the OK from the Utility commission to raise residential rate 14.8% in '08 to residential customers).
if you have any questions about a system I will be more than happy to help.........
One last thing. Over the last 30 years electric rates have increased on average 6.5% annualy. We already are expecting higher increases this year and over time but if rates just con't to increase at a 6.5% rate a californian resident who is currently paying:
$200 a month will spend $33,159 over 10 years for energy. Over the next 30 years $226,705.
$300 a month will spend $49,732 over 10 years for energy. Over 30 years $340,058.
I can keep going on and on but you get the point.........
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WSC,
One last thing. Over the last 30 years electric rates have increased on average 6.5% annualy. We already are expecting higher increases this year and over time but if rates just con't to increase at a 6.5% rate a californian resident who is currently paying:
$200 a month will spend $33,159 over 10 years for energy. Over the next 30 years $226,705.
$300 a month will spend $49,732 over 10 years for energy. Over 30 years $340,058.
I can keep going on and on but you get the point.........
The state in question has ZERO incentive programs (I looked on two sites that list the programs) which really sucks. I commented that it seems only really progressive states are being aggressive with the incentives, while most states are doing nothing at all.
Some stuff I read said that the grade of silicon in certain solar panels isnt as good as others and the CdTe from panel to panel varies too, which directly effects performance and output..meaning the metal used to absorb the sun is less in some panels than others, thus the efficiency is less.
I do think there are better solar panels than others and I have to think efficiencies are varied as well. Have you heard anything about nano-solar? that spray on the shingles or windows sort of technology? Looks interesting to me.
BSRC getting the hammer today..man the solars are in a serious funk.
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jt,
The state in question has ZERO incentive programs (I looked on two sites that list the programs) which really sucks. I commented that it seems only really progressive states are being aggressive with the incentives, while most states are doing nothing at all.
Some stuff I read said that the grade of silicon in certain solar panels isnt as good as others and the CdTe from panel to panel varies too, which directly effects performance and output..meaning the metal used to absorb the sun is less in some panels than others, thus the efficiency is less.
I do think there are better solar panels than others and I have to think efficiencies are varied as well. Have you heard anything about nano-solar? that spray on the shingles or windows sort of technology? Looks interesting to me.
BSRC getting the hammer today..man the solars are in a serious funk.
well I haven't taken a BEATING on a stock like this since the "Dot Bomb" days. hit 0.60 wednesday. ya the overall market stinks and other more well known solars are getting clipped too BUT this % loss is ridiculous. guess I just gotta hold and maybe add IF I can get another up move.
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well I haven't taken a BEATING on a stock like this since the "Dot Bomb" days. hit 0.60 wednesday. ya the overall market stinks and other more well known solars are getting clipped too BUT this % loss is ridiculous. guess I just gotta hold and maybe add IF I can get another up move.
it looks like investors are overreacting to news that the renewable energy market exceeded expectations in '07 and analyst are saying that the market can not continue this growth so we are seeing this being reflected in the stock market.
There are also saying that the makers of the cells, wafers and other raw materials are catching up with the demand and that will have an affect on the cost (lowering) to the distributor and consumers.
I hope investors keep overreacting so I can get in at some low numbers because '08 and the years to come will be excellent year for the indusrty.
it looks like investors are overreacting to news that the renewable energy market exceeded expectations in '07 and analyst are saying that the market can not continue this growth so we are seeing this being reflected in the stock market.
There are also saying that the makers of the cells, wafers and other raw materials are catching up with the demand and that will have an affect on the cost (lowering) to the distributor and consumers.
I hope investors keep overreacting so I can get in at some low numbers because '08 and the years to come will be excellent year for the indusrty.
was reading your response to walls request for info for doing a home. I would love to see the day were every home had an individual electric source with only the grid as a backup. that would be TRUE "energy independence". couple that with plug in electric cars that have decent performance and range for those that use them almost exclusively for in town driving (like I do) and we could tell OPEC and the "Five Families" oil gougers to FUCK OFF. the Dem's in the debates are correct about one thing. this country needs a "moon shot" program in energy and I also see NO reason to bankroll Big Oil when they are making record profits.
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thanx for the comments, jt.
was reading your response to walls request for info for doing a home. I would love to see the day were every home had an individual electric source with only the grid as a backup. that would be TRUE "energy independence". couple that with plug in electric cars that have decent performance and range for those that use them almost exclusively for in town driving (like I do) and we could tell OPEC and the "Five Families" oil gougers to FUCK OFF. the Dem's in the debates are correct about one thing. this country needs a "moon shot" program in energy and I also see NO reason to bankroll Big Oil when they are making record profits.
Another issue affecting the solar stocks is that we aren't having a very cold winter so the cost of natural gas is not jumping. Also, oil is below $90 a barrell for the first time in months.
Sooner or later we will live in a country that the majority of our energy needs are produced natuarally.....unless we find new oil sources. We only have so much in oil supplies (approx. 40 years). The world popullation is growing at an alarming rate and all of our resources are being consumed at a very fast pace........
I can go on and on about solar and renewable energy and their benefits and the impact we can make on our enviroment but it sounds like you are already a fan. California is trying to lead the way with incentive programs for it's residents and the rest of the country will follow. States such as Colorado, New Jersey, Nevada, Arizona and I believe New Mexico already ahve some good programs. It's only a matter of time until all states offer incentives to make it more affordable to consumers. If we get a democrat in office it will be interesting what kind of changes they will make to make renewable energy affordable.......
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LRR,
Another issue affecting the solar stocks is that we aren't having a very cold winter so the cost of natural gas is not jumping. Also, oil is below $90 a barrell for the first time in months.
Sooner or later we will live in a country that the majority of our energy needs are produced natuarally.....unless we find new oil sources. We only have so much in oil supplies (approx. 40 years). The world popullation is growing at an alarming rate and all of our resources are being consumed at a very fast pace........
I can go on and on about solar and renewable energy and their benefits and the impact we can make on our enviroment but it sounds like you are already a fan. California is trying to lead the way with incentive programs for it's residents and the rest of the country will follow. States such as Colorado, New Jersey, Nevada, Arizona and I believe New Mexico already ahve some good programs. It's only a matter of time until all states offer incentives to make it more affordable to consumers. If we get a democrat in office it will be interesting what kind of changes they will make to make renewable energy affordable.......
pretty nice recovery for BSRC wednesday to close @ 0.92 with a late intraday high of 0.95 esp considering the overall market tanked again and the other solars I have on my watch were flat to down. that doesn't mean it couldn't turn and get clobbered tomarrow BUT today looked like the "OH my God, GET me OUT!!!" selling might be over for now.
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pretty nice recovery for BSRC wednesday to close @ 0.92 with a late intraday high of 0.95 esp considering the overall market tanked again and the other solars I have on my watch were flat to down. that doesn't mean it couldn't turn and get clobbered tomarrow BUT today looked like the "OH my God, GET me OUT!!!" selling might be over for now.
intraday high of 1.20 on the up opening monday and still 1.10 after George W's bullshit flipped the market to down 100. beginning to look like the ing tuesday and wednesday may have just been profit taking that got over done.
HOPE SO
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intraday high of 1.20 on the up opening monday and still 1.10 after George W's bullshit flipped the market to down 100. beginning to look like the ing tuesday and wednesday may have just been profit taking that got over done.
it sure is one volitile motherfucker, walls. I'm thinking of unloading half here at a small loss just incase it tanks again THEN add back. if I do that it's SURE to run.
btw, I know jt doesn't like Akeena (AKNS) BUT it's back close to 7 and IF it was to get beat up to it's 200 day MA @ 5.60, I might speculate for another run.
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it sure is one volitile motherfucker, walls. I'm thinking of unloading half here at a small loss just incase it tanks again THEN add back. if I do that it's SURE to run.
btw, I know jt doesn't like Akeena (AKNS) BUT it's back close to 7 and IF it was to get beat up to it's 200 day MA @ 5.60, I might speculate for another run.
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