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    Dillashaw Fight Info

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    RLeith35
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2015 - 11:20 PM ET #1

    Renan Barao blames losing the UFC Bantamweight title on a strike that TJ Dillashaw landed early in their first fight. Whilst the strike could be the reason why Barao lost his belt, it doesn’t explain why Dillashaw was comfortably beating him up until that point, why he couldn’t make weight for their rematch and why he also put in a lack lustre performance against Mitch Gagnon in Brazil.

    I don’t believe that Barao will beat Dillashaw in this rematch because Dillashaw is too fast, too well rounded and too active. Dillashaw can fight at a very high pace for 5 hard rounds and I don’t believe Barao’s tough weight cut to 135 pounds gives him the energy he needs to keep up with Dillashaw for 25 minutes.

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    Renan Barao blames losing the UFC Bantamweight title on a strike that TJ Dillashaw landed early in their first fight. Whilst the strike could be the reason why Barao lost his belt, it doesn’t explain why Dillashaw was comfortably beating him up until that point, why he couldn’t make weight for their rematch and why he also put in a lack lustre performance against Mitch Gagnon in Brazil.

    I don’t believe that Barao will beat Dillashaw in this rematch because Dillashaw is too fast, too well rounded and too active. Dillashaw can fight at a very high pace for 5 hard rounds and I don’t believe Barao’s tough weight cut to 135 pounds gives him the energy he needs to keep up with Dillashaw for 25 minutes.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2015 - 11:21 PM ET #2

    Dillashaw and Barao both have incredible takedown defence and poor offensive wrestling, which means this fight will most likely be contested standing up. Dillashaw has defended 100% of all takedowns in the UFC and Barao has defended 96%. This means it’s very unlikely that either guy will be able to get this fight to the ground.

    TJ Dillashaw lands more strikes per minute than anyone else in the UFC and he lands around 40% more strikes per minute than Barao. In their first fight TJ Dillashaw landed 169 strikes, whilst Barao managed to land just 68. This means that TJ outlanded Barao by more than 100 strikes. This is a huge deficit and whilst I have no doubt Barao will show up more prepared this time around, he simply doesn’t throw with a high enough volume to compete with these numbers. It’s possible that Barao could have improved since their last fight, but TJ will have improved too and I don’t see how Barao will have improved enough to significantly change the outcome of their rematch.

    TJ Dillashaw now has the added experience of competing in two Championship fights and he already has a title defence under his belt. Fighters tend to improve and develop significantly after winning a title and I expect Dillashaw to look considerably better in this rematch than he did in their first fight.

    Barao struggled to deal with Dillashaw’s speed and volume in their first matchup and I don’t see what adjustments he could make to change how this rematch plays out. It’s possible that Barao could hurt TJ bad or knock him out, but it’s unlikely because Dillashaw has excellent defence and he’s constantly moving. It’s really hard to hurt a guy that stays light on their feet and constantly moves because it’s difficult to time them and catch them clean. TJ has shown throughout his career that he’s very durable and I believe it’s unlikely that Barao finishes him inside the distance.

    There are people that believe Renan Barao has a good chance of beating TJ Dillashaw at UFC on FOX 16, but those people are probably assessing the fight based on the career history of both fighters as opposed to how they match up skill for skill. All the numbers point towards TJ winning and a 45% return on our money seems like a great deal. I think Dillashaw is a great bet because we’ve already seen him dominate Barao before and I don’t see what changes Barao could make to change significantly change the outcome of this rematch.

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    Dillashaw and Barao both have incredible takedown defence and poor offensive wrestling, which means this fight will most likely be contested standing up. Dillashaw has defended 100% of all takedowns in the UFC and Barao has defended 96%. This means it’s very unlikely that either guy will be able to get this fight to the ground.

    TJ Dillashaw lands more strikes per minute than anyone else in the UFC and he lands around 40% more strikes per minute than Barao. In their first fight TJ Dillashaw landed 169 strikes, whilst Barao managed to land just 68. This means that TJ outlanded Barao by more than 100 strikes. This is a huge deficit and whilst I have no doubt Barao will show up more prepared this time around, he simply doesn’t throw with a high enough volume to compete with these numbers. It’s possible that Barao could have improved since their last fight, but TJ will have improved too and I don’t see how Barao will have improved enough to significantly change the outcome of their rematch.

    TJ Dillashaw now has the added experience of competing in two Championship fights and he already has a title defence under his belt. Fighters tend to improve and develop significantly after winning a title and I expect Dillashaw to look considerably better in this rematch than he did in their first fight.

    Barao struggled to deal with Dillashaw’s speed and volume in their first matchup and I don’t see what adjustments he could make to change how this rematch plays out. It’s possible that Barao could hurt TJ bad or knock him out, but it’s unlikely because Dillashaw has excellent defence and he’s constantly moving. It’s really hard to hurt a guy that stays light on their feet and constantly moves because it’s difficult to time them and catch them clean. TJ has shown throughout his career that he’s very durable and I believe it’s unlikely that Barao finishes him inside the distance.

    There are people that believe Renan Barao has a good chance of beating TJ Dillashaw at UFC on FOX 16, but those people are probably assessing the fight based on the career history of both fighters as opposed to how they match up skill for skill. All the numbers point towards TJ winning and a 45% return on our money seems like a great deal. I think Dillashaw is a great bet because we’ve already seen him dominate Barao before and I don’t see what changes Barao could make to change significantly change the outcome of this rematch.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 12:30 AM ET #3

    Ill take my chance with Barao at +195
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    Ill take my chance with Barao at +195
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 3:05 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomkopec:

    Ill take my chance with Barao at +195


    Agree i got +205


    A 43% return on investment in a Championship title fight like this is a awful payout imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomkopec:

    Ill take my chance with Barao at +195


    Agree i got +205


    A 43% return on investment in a Championship title fight like this is a awful payout imo.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 3:04 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by StackMyLoot:



    Agree i got +205


    A 43% return on investment in a Championship title fight like this is a awful payout imo.
    absolutely it's not very good at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StackMyLoot:



    Agree i got +205


    A 43% return on investment in a Championship title fight like this is a awful payout imo.
    absolutely it's not very good at all.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 8:09 PM ET #6

    Too much credit for Dillashaw with "2 championship fights." He beat Joe Soto badly but that is meaningless for a short notice debut. You ignore 10 years of dominance by the Baron for what was clearly a bad weight cut and looking past Dillashaw. Dillashaw didn't fight the best Barao, this time will be different. I bet Dillashaw the first time against an overweight Barao. This time I will bet the better fighter. Just waiting for the line to peak. Barao in under 2.5
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    Too much credit for Dillashaw with "2 championship fights." He beat Joe Soto badly but that is meaningless for a short notice debut. You ignore 10 years of dominance by the Baron for what was clearly a bad weight cut and looking past Dillashaw. Dillashaw didn't fight the best Barao, this time will be different. I bet Dillashaw the first time against an overweight Barao. This time I will bet the better fighter. Just waiting for the line to peak. Barao in under 2.5
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 8:28 PM ET #7

     I agree here man and am with you on Dilashaw.
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     I agree here man and am with you on Dilashaw.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 10:56 PM ET #8

    What are u talking about, a bad payout on Dillashaw, he is the Champ and he beat him down in good fashion, getting the
    champ at this cheap price is very good, did u think he would be
    a dog , come on, get a grip and get real, Dillashaw will win just
    like the first fight, nothing has changed.
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    What are u talking about, a bad payout on Dillashaw, he is the Champ and he beat him down in good fashion, getting the
    champ at this cheap price is very good, did u think he would be
    a dog , come on, get a grip and get real, Dillashaw will win just
    like the first fight, nothing has changed.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 24, 2015 - 11:15 PM ET #9

    I do think the champ should always be favored but not that big i see TJ -140ish at best. Like Barao said one lose in 10 years or something like that is not big deal and he wont lose for another ten. BOOM
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    I do think the champ should always be favored but not that big i see TJ -140ish at best. Like Barao said one lose in 10 years or something like that is not big deal and he wont lose for another ten. BOOM
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2015 - 12:38 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by whitebelt:

    Too much credit for Dilla with "2 championship fights." He beat Joe Soto badly but that is meaningless for a short notice debut. You ignore 10 years of dominance by the Baron for what was clearly a bad weight cut and looking past Dillashaw. Dillashaw didn't fight the best Barao, this time will be different. I bet Dillashaw the first time against an overweight Barao. This time I will bet the better fighter. Just waiting for the line to peak. Barao in under 2.5


    This post is stupid. Barao ran up that record beating guys that, let's face it -
    Aren't that good. Faber is his best wins and he loses to every top tier guy he faces. Barao is good. Very good. But he clearly struggles against speed. He likes his opponents to fight in straight lines. Dillashaw is the first guy he faced who was in perpetual motion. And he looked clueless as to how to negate the speed difference. Not only that but Dillashaw is about impossible to take down. Which means Barao has to figure him out on the feet. He won't. UNLESS he lands something huge and ends the fight in one punch he will lose again. TJ is just an awful style matchup for him. Barao looked like crap against Gagnon also. Looked like the same who showed up vs TJ. I don't buy the "bad night" crap from the first fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebelt:

    Too much credit for Dilla with "2 championship fights." He beat Joe Soto badly but that is meaningless for a short notice debut. You ignore 10 years of dominance by the Baron for what was clearly a bad weight cut and looking past Dillashaw. Dillashaw didn't fight the best Barao, this time will be different. I bet Dillashaw the first time against an overweight Barao. This time I will bet the better fighter. Just waiting for the line to peak. Barao in under 2.5


    This post is stupid. Barao ran up that record beating guys that, let's face it -
    Aren't that good. Faber is his best wins and he loses to every top tier guy he faces. Barao is good. Very good. But he clearly struggles against speed. He likes his opponents to fight in straight lines. Dillashaw is the first guy he faced who was in perpetual motion. And he looked clueless as to how to negate the speed difference. Not only that but Dillashaw is about impossible to take down. Which means Barao has to figure him out on the feet. He won't. UNLESS he lands something huge and ends the fight in one punch he will lose again. TJ is just an awful style matchup for him. Barao looked like crap against Gagnon also. Looked like the same who showed up vs TJ. I don't buy the "bad night" crap from the first fight.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2015 - 12:53 AM ET #11

    Yeah I totally agree.  TJ beats the same 'version' of Barao that showed up vs Faber, Wineland, Macdonald etc, it's all about the style matchup between these two.  Gonna style on him again 
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    Yeah I totally agree.  TJ beats the same 'version' of Barao that showed up vs Faber, Wineland, Macdonald etc, it's all about the style matchup between these two.  Gonna style on him again 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2015 - 1:25 AM ET #12

    I think Dillashaw may just have Barao's ticket, Bararo
    was the champ for a long,long time maybe to long. As u well
    know everyone losses for one reason or another, but Dillashaws
    style is a bad matchup for Barao period. Who can say what will
    happen in the UFC , one kick or one punch can end a fight, but with
    that said, gun to my head, my money will be on Dillashaw on Sat.
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    I think Dillashaw may just have Barao's ticket, Bararo
    was the champ for a long,long time maybe to long. As u well
    know everyone losses for one reason or another, but Dillashaws
    style is a bad matchup for Barao period. Who can say what will
    happen in the UFC , one kick or one punch can end a fight, but with
    that said, gun to my head, my money will be on Dillashaw on Sat.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2015 - 8:51 AM ET #13

    Fully agree with both sides.  Tj will win this,  I think the price is slightly inflated.  -160 is where I had my threshold for straight play.  I am parlaying it with Saunders for a nice payday....bol
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    Fully agree with both sides.  Tj will win this,  I think the price is slightly inflated.  -160 is where I had my threshold for straight play.  I am parlaying it with Saunders for a nice payday....bol
     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2015 - 12:46 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomkopec:

    I do think the champ should always be favored but not that big i see TJ -140ish at best. Like Barao said one lose in 10 years or something like that is not big deal and he wont lose for another ten. BOOM


    Yes going from a 8 to 1 underdog to laying -205/-210 is just not good value for me.

    I have this fight at around TJ -170

    I think Baroa will win the rematch anyway so him being over +200 is great for me.

    We will know by the end of the night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomkopec:

    I do think the champ should always be favored but not that big i see TJ -140ish at best. Like Barao said one lose in 10 years or something like that is not big deal and he wont lose for another ten. BOOM


    Yes going from a 8 to 1 underdog to laying -205/-210 is just not good value for me.

    I have this fight at around TJ -170

    I think Baroa will win the rematch anyway so him being over +200 is great for me.

    We will know by the end of the night

     
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    Posted: Jul. 25, 2015 - 1:44 PM ET #15

    The first fight was a fluke. Barao refused the fight a month after beating Faber but the UFC wasn't having it. He was ill prepared and it showed, but today will be different. That gold is going back to Brazil. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow. But I don't see that happening here.
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    The first fight was a fluke. Barao refused the fight a month after beating Faber but the UFC wasn't having it. He was ill prepared and it showed, but today will be different. That gold is going back to Brazil. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow. But I don't see that happening here.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2015 - 12:41 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Quote Originally Posted by whitebelt:

    Too much credit for Dilla with "2 championship fights." He beat Joe Soto badly but that is meaningless for a short notice debut. You ignore 10 years of dominance by the Baron for what was clearly a bad weight cut and looking past Dillashaw. Dillashaw didn't fight the best Barao, this time will be different. I bet Dillashaw the first time against an overweight Barao. This time I will bet the better fighter. Just waiting for the line to peak. Barao in under 2.5
    This post is stupid. Barao ran up that record beating guys that, let's face it -Aren't that good. Faber is his best wins and he loses to every top tier guy he faces. Barao is good. Very good. But he clearly struggles against speed. He likes his opponents to fight in straight lines. Dillashaw is the first guy he faced who was in perpetual motion. And he looked clueless as to how to negate the speed difference. Not only that but Dillashaw is about impossible to take down. Which means Barao has to figure him out on the feet. He won't. UNLESS he lands something huge and ends the fight in one punch he will lose again. TJ is just an awful style matchup for him. Barao looked like crap against Gagnon also. Looked like the same who showed up vs TJ. I don't buy the "bad night" crap from the first fight.


    Even easier than I expected. Barao will never beat TJ. He's too slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Quote Originally Posted by whitebelt:

    Too much credit for Dilla with "2 championship fights." He beat Joe Soto badly but that is meaningless for a short notice debut. You ignore 10 years of dominance by the Baron for what was clearly a bad weight cut and looking past Dillashaw. Dillashaw didn't fight the best Barao, this time will be different. I bet Dillashaw the first time against an overweight Barao. This time I will bet the better fighter. Just waiting for the line to peak. Barao in under 2.5
    This post is stupid. Barao ran up that record beating guys that, let's face it -Aren't that good. Faber is his best wins and he loses to every top tier guy he faces. Barao is good. Very good. But he clearly struggles against speed. He likes his opponents to fight in straight lines. Dillashaw is the first guy he faced who was in perpetual motion. And he looked clueless as to how to negate the speed difference. Not only that but Dillashaw is about impossible to take down. Which means Barao has to figure him out on the feet. He won't. UNLESS he lands something huge and ends the fight in one punch he will lose again. TJ is just an awful style matchup for him. Barao looked like crap against Gagnon also. Looked like the same who showed up vs TJ. I don't buy the "bad night" crap from the first fight.


    Even easier than I expected. Barao will never beat TJ. He's too slow.
     
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted b whitebelt]The first fight was a fluke. Barao refused the fight a month after beating Faber but the UFC wasn't having it. He was ill prepared and it showed, but today will be different. That gold is going back to Brazil. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow. But I don't see that happening here.[/Quote]

    How could that first fight have said "fluke" in any way shape or form? It was a systematic beat down. Not a one punch fluke or lucky sub. He destroyed him in every facet.
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    [Quote: Originally Posted b whitebelt]The first fight was a fluke. Barao refused the fight a month after beating Faber but the UFC wasn't having it. He was ill prepared and it showed, but today will be different. That gold is going back to Brazil. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow. But I don't see that happening here.[/Quote]

    How could that first fight have said "fluke" in any way shape or form? It was a systematic beat down. Not a one punch fluke or lucky sub. He destroyed him in every facet.
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