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UFC is on a dangerous path with having some of these decisions.  I know judges are human (I've been a basketball, volleyball and football ref for 16 years), but I'm not a MMA expert, and even I can see how terrible and corrupt some of these decisions have been recently.  The decision against Spencer makes the sport look really bad, and it makes it look like there are things going on behind the scenes to pay off judges, bookies, sports books, etc.  

MMA lovers will watch all the events, but when the average person who isn't an expert tunes in to the fights on FoxSports 1 and watches someone like Spencer dominate his opponent, and then the judges say that Spencer lost convincingly...that's when people roll their eyes and turn the channel and don't watch the next event.  

I didn't have any money on that fight, but as a MMA novice I know what I saw, and to have three professional judges tell me that Spencer lost that fight in all 3 rounds is an insult.  

I really hope UFC comes up with something to avoid situations like what we saw tonight.  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

UFC is on a dangerous path with having some of these decisions.  I know judges are human (I've been a basketball, volleyball and football ref for 16 years), but I'm not a MMA expert, and even I can see how terrible and corrupt some of these decisions have been recently.  The decision against Spencer makes the sport look really bad, and it makes it look like there are things going on behind the scenes to pay off judges, bookies, sports books, etc.  

MMA lovers will watch all the events, but when the average person who isn't an expert tunes in to the fights on FoxSports 1 and watches someone like Spencer dominate his opponent, and then the judges say that Spencer lost convincingly...that's when people roll their eyes and turn the channel and don't watch the next event.  

I didn't have any money on that fight, but as a MMA novice I know what I saw, and to have three professional judges tell me that Spencer lost that fight in all 3 rounds is an insult.  

I really hope UFC comes up with something to avoid situations like what we saw tonight.  

I could not agree more...
 
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Totally agree......so did Joe and Dana
 
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One of the things that ruined boxing in my opinion.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Brightsizelife:

Totally agree......so did Joe and Dana

It's cute to see Joe and Dana smile and mention it, but they need to have a loud voice.  I've met Dana White when he was here in Indianapolis for the worst UFC event of all time (the all heavyweight event), and I talked to him about for about 1 minute about the disastrous event and his passion about UFC could not be more obvious.  He and Joe Rogan love MMA , and they need to speak out and let the public know that decisions like this are not acceptable.

Look at the complete lack of leadership from Goodell in the NFL, and people aren't OK with that.  It's only going to take a few more decisions like the Spencer decision to get people openly complaining about Dana and the UFC. 
 
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I agree 100%. They're looking at different options that would still work for TV. Everyone just always goes back to "fight with no rounds until someone finishes", but that would result in 2 hour fights with no commercials...not possible.

The sport is in it's infancy so still working out issues like this unfortunately. I've heard rumors of using a fight analytics database similar to fightmetric to act as either 1 of 3 judges (break ties) or as the exclusive judge. It may score significant strikes as 1, takedowns as 2, sub attempts as 1.5...whatever. If you haven't looked at fightmetric.com, it's a great tool. 

 I don't know what the solution is, but it starts on the state level. Each state athletic commission picks their own judges, refs, etc. In Las Vegas, at least the judges have 20 UFC events there per year. In Boston, these judges may have only had the pressure of one UFC event in the last 3-4 years (not sure exactly how many). They're likely not at all trained in MMA - most judges are ex-attorneys that the athletic commissions ask to unbiasedly judge MMA events, give them a 2 day tutorial on what constitutes "good scoring", and then throw them out there to judge a fight that could cost a guy his job, 50% of his paycheck, etc. It's nuts.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

UFC is on a dangerous path with having some of these decisions.  I know judges are human (I've been a basketball, volleyball and football ref for 16 years), but I'm not a MMA expert, and even I can see how terrible and corrupt some of these decisions have been recently.  The decision against Spencer makes the sport look really bad, and it makes it look like there are things going on behind the scenes to pay off judges, bookies, sports books, etc.  

MMA lovers will watch all the events, but when the average person who isn't an expert tunes in to the fights on FoxSports 1 and watches someone like Spencer dominate his opponent, and then the judges say that Spencer lost convincingly...that's when people roll their eyes and turn the channel and don't watch the next event.  

I didn't have any money on that fight, but as a MMA novice I know what I saw, and to have three professional judges tell me that Spencer lost that fight in all 3 rounds is an insult.  

I really hope UFC comes up with something to avoid situations like what we saw tonight.  


^^^ THIS!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:

It's only going to take a few more decisions like the Spencer decision to get people openly complaining about Dana and the UFC. 


They already do complain.  Dana's credibility among the fans has fallen tremendously over the last couple years.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:


It's cute to see Joe and Dana smile and mention it, but they need to have a loud voice.  I've met Dana White when he was here in Indianapolis for the worst UFC event of all time (the all heavyweight event), and I talked to him about for about 1 minute about the disastrous event and his passion about UFC could not be more obvious.  He and Joe Rogan love MMA , and they need to speak out and let the public know that decisions like this are not acceptable.

Look at the complete lack of leadership from Goodell in the NFL, and people aren't OK with that.  It's only going to take a few more decisions like the Spencer decision to get people openly complaining about Dana and the UFC. 



They already do complain.  Dana's credibility among the fans has fallen tremendously over the last couple years.
 
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another weird decision....LOL 
 
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I haven't watche UFC in a few years. After these garbage decisions I won't be watching for at least a few more years.
 
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Unbelievable.  I DID have money on this fight...bet on Cowboy.  Was 100% sure that was a lost wager.  What a bad night for UFC judging.

Controversy is not good for sports.  Great athletes, great stories, and great presentation is good for sports.  Attention on the athletes and the event is good for business.  Attention on the people running and judging the sport is bad for business.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

I agree 100%. They're looking at different options that would still work for TV. Everyone just always goes back to "fight with no rounds until someone finishes", but that would result in 2 hour fights with no commercials...not possible.

The sport is in it's infancy so still working out issues like this unfortunately. I've heard rumors of using a fight analytics database similar to fightmetric to act as either 1 of 3 judges (break ties) or as the exclusive judge. It may score significant strikes as 1, takedowns as 2, sub attempts as 1.5...whatever. If you haven't looked at fightmetric.com, it's a great tool. 

 I don't know what the solution is, but it starts on the state level. Each state athletic commission picks their own judges, refs, etc. In Las Vegas, at least the judges have 20 UFC events there per year. In Boston, these judges may have only had the pressure of one UFC event in the last 3-4 years (not sure exactly how many). They're likely not at all trained in MMA - most judges are ex-attorneys that the athletic commissions ask to unbiasedly judge MMA events, give them a 2 day tutorial on what constitutes "good scoring", and then throw them out there to judge a fight that could cost a guy his job, 50% of his paycheck, etc. It's nuts.

Great info on the judges.  I had no idea, and I bet most viewers don't know that either.  
 
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I haven't watche UFC in a few years. After these garbage decisions I won't be watching for at least a few more years.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by alangrrbs:


Great info on the judges.  I had no idea, and I bet most viewers don't know that either.  

No problem. In the Hall-Stallings fight when the cut occurred, Joe Rogan said something along the lines of "they wouldn't have called this fight in Nevada", meaning the doctor wouldn't have stopped it. Because the doctors in Nevada have seen a cut like that 100 times and they understand the ramifications for stopping the fight. 

Unlike any other sport, guys get paid on a structure something like $20k to show and $20k to win, meaning they only get half of their money if the doctor, ref, or judges F something up. Apparently, the UFC takes care of the guys that are screwed, but at the end of the day, that's not the point. 
 
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Have seen MUCH worse decisions than this one tonight.  People are gonna be annoyed if they bet on Bendo but it wasnt THAT bad.
 
 
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Hey Alan I've had worse beats in UFC than them two, but I feel for the guys who pick these fights and bet on them. Horrible feeling but the TE from the Packers had the worst day today!!!!!!!!!!
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