Maybe someone can talk me out of dropping a couple hundred on Belfort at +350. I only cap these fights by the "eye test" and like wagering on underdogs. VB doesn't appear too far past his prime and seems to always bring it. Can he beat Weidman ?
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Maybe someone can talk me out of dropping a couple hundred on Belfort at +350. I only cap these fights by the "eye test" and like wagering on underdogs. VB doesn't appear too far past his prime and seems to always bring it. Can he beat Weidman ?
First fight in probably a decade or more that Vitor won't be fighting on juice. Also, what have you ever seen out of Weidman that makes you think he's beatable by a current middleweight?
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First fight in probably a decade or more that Vitor won't be fighting on juice. Also, what have you ever seen out of Weidman that makes you think he's beatable by a current middleweight?
First fight in probably a decade or more that Vitor won't be fighting on juice. Also, what have you ever seen out of Weidman that makes you think he's beatable by a current middleweight?
You don't need to have flaws to get ko'ed by vitor. and even vitor subs are dangerous, he his the fighter that came the closest to finish Jon jones. the arm bar was tight and he did that on short notice and gave a lot of weight + weidman did not look good against machida . That being said OnTheO his right about the juice, its a big factor and has to be taken very seriously, if nothing had changed i would think that line his INSANE.
But now its a real gamble, maybe the lines great or its were it should be, i am not in his camp so its hard to say, and i don't have any info on how it affected him , so i guess its up to you, i did put a small bet on vitor just because i know that juice don't make you hit that much harder , its more about strength and endurance, it does not affect that much your striking power and does nothing to accuracy. GL
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Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:
First fight in probably a decade or more that Vitor won't be fighting on juice. Also, what have you ever seen out of Weidman that makes you think he's beatable by a current middleweight?
You don't need to have flaws to get ko'ed by vitor. and even vitor subs are dangerous, he his the fighter that came the closest to finish Jon jones. the arm bar was tight and he did that on short notice and gave a lot of weight + weidman did not look good against machida . That being said OnTheO his right about the juice, its a big factor and has to be taken very seriously, if nothing had changed i would think that line his INSANE.
But now its a real gamble, maybe the lines great or its were it should be, i am not in his camp so its hard to say, and i don't have any info on how it affected him , so i guess its up to you, i did put a small bet on vitor just because i know that juice don't make you hit that much harder , its more about strength and endurance, it does not affect that much your striking power and does nothing to accuracy. GL
You don't need to have flaws to get ko'ed by vitor. and even vitor subs are dangerous, he his the fighter that came the closest to finish Jon jones. the arm bar was tight and he did that on short notice and gave a lot of weight + weidman did not look good against machida . That being said OnTheO his right about the juice, its a big factor and has to be taken very seriously, if nothing had changed i would think that line his INSANE.
But now its a real gamble, maybe the lines great or its were it should be, i am not in his camp so its hard to say, and i don't have any info on how it affected him , so i guess its up to you, i did put a small bet on vitor just because i know that juice don't make you hit that much harder , its more about strength and endurance, it does not affect that much your striking power and does nothing to accuracy. GL
Besides the 4th round, I thought Weidman did great against Machida. Plus Vitor has talked alot of trash about Weidman to the point of pissing him off, not a good sign. To be honest I think Machida is the 2nd best at 185.
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Quote Originally Posted by MMAwizard:
You don't need to have flaws to get ko'ed by vitor. and even vitor subs are dangerous, he his the fighter that came the closest to finish Jon jones. the arm bar was tight and he did that on short notice and gave a lot of weight + weidman did not look good against machida . That being said OnTheO his right about the juice, its a big factor and has to be taken very seriously, if nothing had changed i would think that line his INSANE.
But now its a real gamble, maybe the lines great or its were it should be, i am not in his camp so its hard to say, and i don't have any info on how it affected him , so i guess its up to you, i did put a small bet on vitor just because i know that juice don't make you hit that much harder , its more about strength and endurance, it does not affect that much your striking power and does nothing to accuracy. GL
Besides the 4th round, I thought Weidman did great against Machida. Plus Vitor has talked alot of trash about Weidman to the point of pissing him off, not a good sign. To be honest I think Machida is the 2nd best at 185.
Besides the 4th round, I thought Weidman did great against Machida. Plus Vitor has talked alot of trash about Weidman to the point of pissing him off, not a good sign. To be honest I think Machida is the 2nd best at 185.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
Besides the 4th round, I thought Weidman did great against Machida. Plus Vitor has talked alot of trash about Weidman to the point of pissing him off, not a good sign. To be honest I think Machida is the 2nd best at 185.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.
Besides the 4th round, I thought Weidman did great against Machida. Plus Vitor has talked alot of trash about Weidman to the point of pissing him off, not a good sign. To be honest I think Machida is the 2nd best at 185.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.
OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
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Quote Originally Posted by MMAwizard:
Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
Besides the 4th round, I thought Weidman did great against Machida. Plus Vitor has talked alot of trash about Weidman to the point of pissing him off, not a good sign. To be honest I think Machida is the 2nd best at 185.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.
OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight. OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
Yeah.....I'm looking forward to Machida v Rockhold . What do you think the line might be on that fight? LM -140.....? Or is that way off. Luke has definitely stepped up his last few fights(save Bisbing) and has fared pretty well (save Belfort). To me this is what makes MMA so intriguing. The different styles , the competitiveness and trying to handicap the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight. OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
Yeah.....I'm looking forward to Machida v Rockhold . What do you think the line might be on that fight? LM -140.....? Or is that way off. Luke has definitely stepped up his last few fights(save Bisbing) and has fared pretty well (save Belfort). To me this is what makes MMA so intriguing. The different styles , the competitiveness and trying to handicap the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
Yeah.....I'm looking forward to Machida v Rockhold . What do you think the line might be on that fight? LM -140.....? Or is that way off. Luke has definitely stepped up his last few fights(save Bisbing) and has fared pretty well (save Belfort). To me this is what makes MMA so intriguing. The different styles , the competitiveness and trying to handicap the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters.
Machida -140 sounds about right to me. And I love the 185 mix right now. Weidman, Vitor, Machida, Rockhold, Yoel, and Jacare are all so interesting stylistically and there's plenty of match-ups between them that haven't been fought yet (usually at the top of a division most have fought each other). Add in Anderson coming back and some other fringe guys like Kennedy, Leites, Gegard, Boetsch, Tavares, Bisping....definitely the most exciting division for 2015.
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Quote Originally Posted by Brightsizelife:
Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
Yeah.....I'm looking forward to Machida v Rockhold . What do you think the line might be on that fight? LM -140.....? Or is that way off. Luke has definitely stepped up his last few fights(save Bisbing) and has fared pretty well (save Belfort). To me this is what makes MMA so intriguing. The different styles , the competitiveness and trying to handicap the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters.
Machida -140 sounds about right to me. And I love the 185 mix right now. Weidman, Vitor, Machida, Rockhold, Yoel, and Jacare are all so interesting stylistically and there's plenty of match-ups between them that haven't been fought yet (usually at the top of a division most have fought each other). Add in Anderson coming back and some other fringe guys like Kennedy, Leites, Gegard, Boetsch, Tavares, Bisping....definitely the most exciting division for 2015.
Also, I wanna say Cerrone is crazy enough to say he was injured in an interview to mess with Jury's head. He definitely didn't look injured out there and he wouldn't have gotten post-fight doc clearance if he had a fracture or something. I literally never saw a blurb or story on an injury outside of a few folks in here mentioning it - just a rumor perhaps? I don't know. I think he's relatively healthy though.
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Also, I wanna say Cerrone is crazy enough to say he was injured in an interview to mess with Jury's head. He definitely didn't look injured out there and he wouldn't have gotten post-fight doc clearance if he had a fracture or something. I literally never saw a blurb or story on an injury outside of a few folks in here mentioning it - just a rumor perhaps? I don't know. I think he's relatively healthy though.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
Yeah.....I'm looking forward to Machida v Rockhold . What do you think the line might be on that fight? LM -140.....? Or is that way off. Luke has definitely stepped up his last few fights(save Bisbing) and has fared pretty well (save Belfort). To me this is what makes MMA so intriguing. The different styles , the competitiveness and trying to handicap the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters.
Machida -140 sounds about right to me. And I love the 185 mix right now. Weidman, Vitor, Machida, Rockhold, Yoel, and Jacare are all so interesting stylistically and there's plenty of match-ups between them that haven't been fought yet (usually at the top of a division most have fought each other). Add in Anderson coming back and some other fringe guys like Kennedy, Leites, Gegard, Boetsch, Tavares, Bisping....definitely the most exciting division for 2015.
Who you got as the 2nd best at 185 O???
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Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:
Quote Originally Posted by Brightsizelife:
Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
Yeah.....I'm looking forward to Machida v Rockhold . What do you think the line might be on that fight? LM -140.....? Or is that way off. Luke has definitely stepped up his last few fights(save Bisbing) and has fared pretty well (save Belfort). To me this is what makes MMA so intriguing. The different styles , the competitiveness and trying to handicap the strengths and weaknesses of the fighters.
Machida -140 sounds about right to me. And I love the 185 mix right now. Weidman, Vitor, Machida, Rockhold, Yoel, and Jacare are all so interesting stylistically and there's plenty of match-ups between them that haven't been fought yet (usually at the top of a division most have fought each other). Add in Anderson coming back and some other fringe guys like Kennedy, Leites, Gegard, Boetsch, Tavares, Bisping....definitely the most exciting division for 2015.
Weidman Machida Jacare Anderson Rockhold Vitor Yoel
But certain guys will have tougher match-ups with others. Yoel will have a hard time with the real good strikers for instance. I also have a contingency on Vitor because I literally don't know how good he is without the Jesus juice.
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I have it as:
Weidman Machida Jacare Anderson Rockhold Vitor Yoel
But certain guys will have tougher match-ups with others. Yoel will have a hard time with the real good strikers for instance. I also have a contingency on Vitor because I literally don't know how good he is without the Jesus juice.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight. OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
luke r his second best, beside anderson which his a question mark for the moment, so i dont count as until he face a real opponent, nick diaz dont count in that categorie
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Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight. OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
luke r his second best, beside anderson which his a question mark for the moment, so i dont count as until he face a real opponent, nick diaz dont count in that categorie
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
luke r his second best, beside anderson which his a question mark for the moment, so i dont count as until he face a real opponent, nick diaz dont count in that categorie
I'd like to see Luke beat a premium opponent before I rate him that high. Bisping, Phillipou, Boetsch are all good wins, then Kennedy, Jacare in Strikeforce (4 years ago - I think Jacare has improved his hands tremendously since). He deserves Machida and that will be a great barometer.
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Quote Originally Posted by MMAwizard:
Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
luke r his second best, beside anderson which his a question mark for the moment, so i dont count as until he face a real opponent, nick diaz dont count in that categorie
I'd like to see Luke beat a premium opponent before I rate him that high. Bisping, Phillipou, Boetsch are all good wins, then Kennedy, Jacare in Strikeforce (4 years ago - I think Jacare has improved his hands tremendously since). He deserves Machida and that will be a great barometer.
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
luke r his second best, beside anderson which his a question mark for the moment, so i dont count as until he face a real opponent, nick diaz dont count in that categorie
I'm cool with Rockhold being your number 2. Totally agree on your Silva comment.
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Quote Originally Posted by MMAwizard:
Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:
No he did not. And machida ( aldo he his very good) his an overestimated fighter. and he his not 2nd best in any division 205 or 185. you will find that out in his next fight.OK wizard who's the 2nd best at 185??? If you say Jacare I got no issue with that.
luke r his second best, beside anderson which his a question mark for the moment, so i dont count as until he face a real opponent, nick diaz dont count in that categorie
I'm cool with Rockhold being your number 2. Totally agree on your Silva comment.
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