I’ve listened/watched to almost 80% of all A’s this year from Tokyo to the last game against Texas, and here’s my take on why the A’s are a better value team to take at +140 for the series.
Series aren’t won on paper, but on the field. On paper the Tigers looks great, I won’t go into detail but they have the best pitcher Verland and MVP Cabera. What do the A’s have? The A’s have 2 different line ups, one for lefty’s and 1 for Righty pitchers. Melvin likes to swap between Johnny Gomes/Seth Smith, Brandon Moss/Chris Carter. These 4 guys stats sheet doesn’t look great but the amount of HR’s they hit will shock you. The A’s 1-8 hitters all can hit the ball out of the park, the A’s has the most HR’s since the All Star break(even more than the Yankees). But they lead the league in strikeouts, well if you are swinging for the fences they tend to strikeout. Chili Davis their hitting coach has done an awesome job with these rookies. Cesspedes, Reddick, Donaldson, Kottaras, Norris, Drew all has the power to hit the ball out of the park. Remember they play half their games at the Oakland Coliseum with the heavy fog it’s not easy to hit one out, just look at the last 4 years HR are a commodity in the O. co.
Everyone knows A’s have all rookie starters and they’ve been doing well to keep the score down till we get to the other teams bullpen. A’s have good bullpen not great, although the last week they’ve been great. We’re suppose to get Anderson back for game 3.
The A’s have 14 walk offs, all from different guys. This is one of the things that can’t be quantify on paper, this team has no MVPs. Every night a different person comes up big for the A’s, they have a ton of heart. They believe they are in every game even down by big margins they believe they can come back, they have no fear.
They’ve been playing playoff baseball for the entire month of September, look at their brutal September schedule. They played Angels(home), Seattle(away), Angels(away), Orioles(home), Detriot(away), Yankees(away), Rangers(away), Seattle(home), Rangers(home).
There’s no quit in this team, after being sweep by the Angels in early September at home they had to face Felix Hernandez on the road the next game. What did they do? They put up 5 earn runs against him. Then they faced Vargas took him out too to sweep Seattle. Then they take 3 out of 4 from the Angels at home who was arguably the hottest team then. Then they played the Orioles who were red hot winning 8 of last 10, they took 2 of 3 from them.
Then they went to Detroit......No Coco Crisp due to Red Eye, infact they lost Crisp until that last series at home against Texas. Coco Crisp is the A’s igniter, without him it’s not the same. Ander got hurt after pitching 2 innings, they lost first 2 games and salvage the 3rd by putting up 12 runs against the Tigers. At Yankee stadium, Parker pitched a 1 run game into the 8th. Moss tied it in the bottom of the 9th to spoil CC’s shutout. Game 2 they played 16 innings putting up 4 runs, Melvin thought 4 runs was safe and put out AAA pitchers which the Yankees came back and won. Yet they salvaged the last game, this team doesn’t quit. The rest of the way everyone knows they split with Texas, sweept Seattle, and Sweep Texas to win AL west.
On paper Detroit looks unbeatable because of starting pitching and MVP Cabera, Fielder. In reality the A’s lead in HR’s after all star game, Verlander is great but 1 mistake pitch and it’s 3-0 A’s; see Felix Hernandez. This formula has been working from All Star game to now, get one base with hits or walks then hit HR’s. A’s also have speed, they can walk, steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a fly ball.
A’s post all star game, leads the league in Runs Scored, HR, Doubles. Leads all 5 playoff teams with SB, 82% on SB.
There’s no value with Tigers at -160 for the series, the value is on the red hot A’s. The line should really be a pick em toss up.
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I’ve listened/watched to almost 80% of all A’s this year from Tokyo to the last game against Texas, and here’s my take on why the A’s are a better value team to take at +140 for the series.
Series aren’t won on paper, but on the field. On paper the Tigers looks great, I won’t go into detail but they have the best pitcher Verland and MVP Cabera. What do the A’s have? The A’s have 2 different line ups, one for lefty’s and 1 for Righty pitchers. Melvin likes to swap between Johnny Gomes/Seth Smith, Brandon Moss/Chris Carter. These 4 guys stats sheet doesn’t look great but the amount of HR’s they hit will shock you. The A’s 1-8 hitters all can hit the ball out of the park, the A’s has the most HR’s since the All Star break(even more than the Yankees). But they lead the league in strikeouts, well if you are swinging for the fences they tend to strikeout. Chili Davis their hitting coach has done an awesome job with these rookies. Cesspedes, Reddick, Donaldson, Kottaras, Norris, Drew all has the power to hit the ball out of the park. Remember they play half their games at the Oakland Coliseum with the heavy fog it’s not easy to hit one out, just look at the last 4 years HR are a commodity in the O. co.
Everyone knows A’s have all rookie starters and they’ve been doing well to keep the score down till we get to the other teams bullpen. A’s have good bullpen not great, although the last week they’ve been great. We’re suppose to get Anderson back for game 3.
The A’s have 14 walk offs, all from different guys. This is one of the things that can’t be quantify on paper, this team has no MVPs. Every night a different person comes up big for the A’s, they have a ton of heart. They believe they are in every game even down by big margins they believe they can come back, they have no fear.
They’ve been playing playoff baseball for the entire month of September, look at their brutal September schedule. They played Angels(home), Seattle(away), Angels(away), Orioles(home), Detriot(away), Yankees(away), Rangers(away), Seattle(home), Rangers(home).
There’s no quit in this team, after being sweep by the Angels in early September at home they had to face Felix Hernandez on the road the next game. What did they do? They put up 5 earn runs against him. Then they faced Vargas took him out too to sweep Seattle. Then they take 3 out of 4 from the Angels at home who was arguably the hottest team then. Then they played the Orioles who were red hot winning 8 of last 10, they took 2 of 3 from them.
Then they went to Detroit......No Coco Crisp due to Red Eye, infact they lost Crisp until that last series at home against Texas. Coco Crisp is the A’s igniter, without him it’s not the same. Ander got hurt after pitching 2 innings, they lost first 2 games and salvage the 3rd by putting up 12 runs against the Tigers. At Yankee stadium, Parker pitched a 1 run game into the 8th. Moss tied it in the bottom of the 9th to spoil CC’s shutout. Game 2 they played 16 innings putting up 4 runs, Melvin thought 4 runs was safe and put out AAA pitchers which the Yankees came back and won. Yet they salvaged the last game, this team doesn’t quit. The rest of the way everyone knows they split with Texas, sweept Seattle, and Sweep Texas to win AL west.
On paper Detroit looks unbeatable because of starting pitching and MVP Cabera, Fielder. In reality the A’s lead in HR’s after all star game, Verlander is great but 1 mistake pitch and it’s 3-0 A’s; see Felix Hernandez. This formula has been working from All Star game to now, get one base with hits or walks then hit HR’s. A’s also have speed, they can walk, steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a fly ball.
A’s post all star game, leads the league in Runs Scored, HR, Doubles. Leads all 5 playoff teams with SB, 82% on SB.
There’s no value with Tigers at -160 for the series, the value is on the red hot A’s. The line should really be a pick em toss up.
Also forgot to mention Tiger's are a streaky team, they can be red hot or put you to sleep. Not sure which team will show up, but at -160 I'm not taking any chances. +140 A's is a much better bet.
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Also forgot to mention Tiger's are a streaky team, they can be red hot or put you to sleep. Not sure which team will show up, but at -160 I'm not taking any chances. +140 A's is a much better bet.
hard to go against verlander at home in game 1, if detroit go up 1-0 and you still like oakland then you get a better price waiting till game 2 to bet the series adjusted price, i like detroits chances to win game 1, and go up 1-0
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hard to go against verlander at home in game 1, if detroit go up 1-0 and you still like oakland then you get a better price waiting till game 2 to bet the series adjusted price, i like detroits chances to win game 1, and go up 1-0
I’ve listened/watched to almost 80% of all A’s this year from Tokyo to the last game against Texas, and here’s my take on why the A’s are a better value team to take at +140 for the series.
Series aren’t won on paper, but on the field. On paper the Tigers looks great, I won’t go into detail but they have the best pitcher Verland and MVP Cabera. What do the A’s have? The A’s have 2 different line ups, one for lefty’s and 1 for Righty pitchers. Melvin likes to swap between Johnny Gomes/Seth Smith, Brandon Moss/Chris Carter. These 4 guys stats sheet doesn’t look great but the amount of HR’s they hit will shock you. The A’s 1-8 hitters all can hit the ball out of the park, the A’s has the most HR’s since the All Star break(even more than the Yankees). But they lead the league in strikeouts, well if you are swinging for the fences they tend to strikeout. Chili Davis their hitting coach has done an awesome job with these rookies. Cesspedes, Reddick, Donaldson, Kottaras, Norris, Drew all has the power to hit the ball out of the park. Remember they play half their games at the Oakland Coliseum with the heavy fog it’s not easy to hit one out, just look at the last 4 years HR are a commodity in the O. co.
Everyone knows A’s have all rookie starters and they’ve been doing well to keep the score down till we get to the other teams bullpen. A’s have good bullpen not great, although the last week they’ve been great. We’re suppose to get Anderson back for game 3.
The A’s have 14 walk offs, all from different guys. This is one of the things that can’t be quantify on paper, this team has no MVPs. Every night a different person comes up big for the A’s, they have a ton of heart. They believe they are in every game even down by big margins they believe they can come back, they have no fear.
They’ve been playing playoff baseball for the entire month of September, look at their brutal September schedule. They played Angels(home), Seattle(away), Angels(away), Orioles(home), Detriot(away), Yankees(away), Rangers(away), Seattle(home), Rangers(home).
There’s no quit in this team, after being sweep by the Angels in early September at home they had to face Felix Hernandez on the road the next game. What did they do? They put up 5 earn runs against him. Then they faced Vargas took him out too to sweep Seattle. Then they take 3 out of 4 from the Angels at home who was arguably the hottest team then. Then they played the Orioles who were red hot winning 8 of last 10, they took 2 of 3 from them.
Then they went to Detroit......No Coco Crisp due to Red Eye, infact they lost Crisp until that last series at home against Texas. Coco Crisp is the A’s igniter, without him it’s not the same. Ander got hurt after pitching 2 innings, they lost first 2 games and salvage the 3rd by putting up 12 runs against the Tigers. At Yankee stadium, Parker pitched a 1 run game into the 8th. Moss tied it in the bottom of the 9th to spoil CC’s shutout. Game 2 they played 16 innings putting up 4 runs, Melvin thought 4 runs was safe and put out AAA pitchers which the Yankees came back and won. Yet they salvaged the last game, this team doesn’t quit. The rest of the way everyone knows they split with Texas, sweept Seattle, and Sweep Texas to win AL west.
On paper Detroit looks unbeatable because of starting pitching and MVP Cabera, Fielder. In reality the A’s lead in HR’s after all star game, Verlander is great but 1 mistake pitch and it’s 3-0 A’s; see Felix Hernandez. This formula has been working from All Star game to now, get one base with hits or walks then hit HR’s. A’s also have speed, they can walk, steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a fly ball.
A’s post all star game, leads the league in Runs Scored, HR, Doubles. Leads all 5 playoff teams with SB, 82% on SB.
There’s no value with Tigers at -160 for the series, the value is on the red hot A’s. The line should really be a pick em toss up.
Appreciate the report but I'd bet you a dozen donuts, the Tigers have lineups for righties and lefties too. Stat's/trends are nice even the most die hard A's fan has to ackowledge the strike out power the Tigers pitchers have (Verlander 239, Scherzer 231 - first and second in the AL and in all MLB). Offense wins games, but defense wins championships. Right now, I'd lean towards Detroit for game one.
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Quote Originally Posted by lotj1:
I’ve listened/watched to almost 80% of all A’s this year from Tokyo to the last game against Texas, and here’s my take on why the A’s are a better value team to take at +140 for the series.
Series aren’t won on paper, but on the field. On paper the Tigers looks great, I won’t go into detail but they have the best pitcher Verland and MVP Cabera. What do the A’s have? The A’s have 2 different line ups, one for lefty’s and 1 for Righty pitchers. Melvin likes to swap between Johnny Gomes/Seth Smith, Brandon Moss/Chris Carter. These 4 guys stats sheet doesn’t look great but the amount of HR’s they hit will shock you. The A’s 1-8 hitters all can hit the ball out of the park, the A’s has the most HR’s since the All Star break(even more than the Yankees). But they lead the league in strikeouts, well if you are swinging for the fences they tend to strikeout. Chili Davis their hitting coach has done an awesome job with these rookies. Cesspedes, Reddick, Donaldson, Kottaras, Norris, Drew all has the power to hit the ball out of the park. Remember they play half their games at the Oakland Coliseum with the heavy fog it’s not easy to hit one out, just look at the last 4 years HR are a commodity in the O. co.
Everyone knows A’s have all rookie starters and they’ve been doing well to keep the score down till we get to the other teams bullpen. A’s have good bullpen not great, although the last week they’ve been great. We’re suppose to get Anderson back for game 3.
The A’s have 14 walk offs, all from different guys. This is one of the things that can’t be quantify on paper, this team has no MVPs. Every night a different person comes up big for the A’s, they have a ton of heart. They believe they are in every game even down by big margins they believe they can come back, they have no fear.
They’ve been playing playoff baseball for the entire month of September, look at their brutal September schedule. They played Angels(home), Seattle(away), Angels(away), Orioles(home), Detriot(away), Yankees(away), Rangers(away), Seattle(home), Rangers(home).
There’s no quit in this team, after being sweep by the Angels in early September at home they had to face Felix Hernandez on the road the next game. What did they do? They put up 5 earn runs against him. Then they faced Vargas took him out too to sweep Seattle. Then they take 3 out of 4 from the Angels at home who was arguably the hottest team then. Then they played the Orioles who were red hot winning 8 of last 10, they took 2 of 3 from them.
Then they went to Detroit......No Coco Crisp due to Red Eye, infact they lost Crisp until that last series at home against Texas. Coco Crisp is the A’s igniter, without him it’s not the same. Ander got hurt after pitching 2 innings, they lost first 2 games and salvage the 3rd by putting up 12 runs against the Tigers. At Yankee stadium, Parker pitched a 1 run game into the 8th. Moss tied it in the bottom of the 9th to spoil CC’s shutout. Game 2 they played 16 innings putting up 4 runs, Melvin thought 4 runs was safe and put out AAA pitchers which the Yankees came back and won. Yet they salvaged the last game, this team doesn’t quit. The rest of the way everyone knows they split with Texas, sweept Seattle, and Sweep Texas to win AL west.
On paper Detroit looks unbeatable because of starting pitching and MVP Cabera, Fielder. In reality the A’s lead in HR’s after all star game, Verlander is great but 1 mistake pitch and it’s 3-0 A’s; see Felix Hernandez. This formula has been working from All Star game to now, get one base with hits or walks then hit HR’s. A’s also have speed, they can walk, steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a fly ball.
A’s post all star game, leads the league in Runs Scored, HR, Doubles. Leads all 5 playoff teams with SB, 82% on SB.
There’s no value with Tigers at -160 for the series, the value is on the red hot A’s. The line should really be a pick em toss up.
Appreciate the report but I'd bet you a dozen donuts, the Tigers have lineups for righties and lefties too. Stat's/trends are nice even the most die hard A's fan has to ackowledge the strike out power the Tigers pitchers have (Verlander 239, Scherzer 231 - first and second in the AL and in all MLB). Offense wins games, but defense wins championships. Right now, I'd lean towards Detroit for game one.
hard to go against verlander at home in game 1, if detroit go up 1-0 and you still like oakland then you get a better price waiting till game 2 to bet the series adjusted price, i like detroits chances to win game 1, and go up 1-0
well said. but veralnder and scherzer will probably pitch twice in this series and justin has owned the a's. the chances of the tigers winning both veralnders games is high enough to justify the -160 line.
nice write-up, lotj1.
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Quote Originally Posted by pj702:
hard to go against verlander at home in game 1, if detroit go up 1-0 and you still like oakland then you get a better price waiting till game 2 to bet the series adjusted price, i like detroits chances to win game 1, and go up 1-0
well said. but veralnder and scherzer will probably pitch twice in this series and justin has owned the a's. the chances of the tigers winning both veralnders games is high enough to justify the -160 line.
If you are assuming Justin Verlander is an automatic win then maybe these previous playoff stats can remind you nothing is automatic.
2006 1-2 5.82ERA 21.2innings pitched
2011 2-2 5.31ERA 20.1innings pitched
He did lose 8 games this year right? 17-8 that's a 66% winner.
I'm just putting out the facts for everyone to decide for themselves, I personally like the A's but I'm superstitious as everytime I put bets on them it never comes out well. I'll be betting on the other 3 series instead.
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If you are assuming Justin Verlander is an automatic win then maybe these previous playoff stats can remind you nothing is automatic.
2006 1-2 5.82ERA 21.2innings pitched
2011 2-2 5.31ERA 20.1innings pitched
He did lose 8 games this year right? 17-8 that's a 66% winner.
I'm just putting out the facts for everyone to decide for themselves, I personally like the A's but I'm superstitious as everytime I put bets on them it never comes out well. I'll be betting on the other 3 series instead.
If you are assuming Justin Verlander is an automatic win then maybe these previous playoff stats can remind you nothing is automatic.
2006 1-2 5.82ERA 21.2innings pitched
2011 2-2 5.31ERA 20.1innings pitched
He did lose 8 games this year right? 17-8 that's a 66% winner.
I'm just putting out the facts for everyone to decide for themselves, I personally like the A's but I'm superstitious as everytime I put bets on them it never comes out well. I'll be betting on the other 3 series instead.
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If you are assuming Justin Verlander is an automatic win then maybe these previous playoff stats can remind you nothing is automatic.
2006 1-2 5.82ERA 21.2innings pitched
2011 2-2 5.31ERA 20.1innings pitched
He did lose 8 games this year right? 17-8 that's a 66% winner.
I'm just putting out the facts for everyone to decide for themselves, I personally like the A's but I'm superstitious as everytime I put bets on them it never comes out well. I'll be betting on the other 3 series instead.
Damn double post earlier. Wanted to add something else to this thread.
These are Vegas odds
Odds to win World Series: Yankees: 5:1 Nationals: 5:1 Reds: 11:2 A's: 6:1 Tigers: 6:1 Giants: 7:1
Odds to win American League: Yankees: 9:4
A's 5:2 Detroit: 14/5 Rangers: 4:1
There's alot of so called sports experts out there(ESPN, Bleacherreports, etc), but the only meaningful experts are Vegas odds makers. Why? Because they have something to lose, if they set the lines wrong they lose Billions. When money is on the line, every stats, facts will be checked, rechecked, then tripled checked for accuracy.
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Damn double post earlier. Wanted to add something else to this thread.
These are Vegas odds
Odds to win World Series: Yankees: 5:1 Nationals: 5:1 Reds: 11:2 A's: 6:1 Tigers: 6:1 Giants: 7:1
Odds to win American League: Yankees: 9:4
A's 5:2 Detroit: 14/5 Rangers: 4:1
There's alot of so called sports experts out there(ESPN, Bleacherreports, etc), but the only meaningful experts are Vegas odds makers. Why? Because they have something to lose, if they set the lines wrong they lose Billions. When money is on the line, every stats, facts will be checked, rechecked, then tripled checked for accuracy.
The A's have a lineup for righties and a lineup for lefties? You better just go by the lineup against the righties because the Tigers aren't going to start a LHP.
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The A's have a lineup for righties and a lineup for lefties? You better just go by the lineup against the righties because the Tigers aren't going to start a LHP.
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