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    why didnt giants win rl yesterday?

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    da_don
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 10:21 AM ET #1

    bottom nine

    bases loaded, walkoff ground rule double

    why dont the two runs count like they would in a walk off grand slam?

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    bottom nine

    bases loaded, walkoff ground rule double

    why dont the two runs count like they would in a walk off grand slam?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 10:26 AM ET #2

    because unless its a HR the second a guy crosses home the game is done 
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    because unless its a HR the second a guy crosses home the game is done 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 10:27 AM ET #3

    Unless it's a walkoff homer you only get the one run. Just the rules of the game. Maybe it'll benefit you on another bet in the future.
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    Unless it's a walkoff homer you only get the one run. Just the rules of the game. Maybe it'll benefit you on another bet in the future.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 10:35 AM ET #4

    You're betting baseball, and not aware of this rule?
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    You're betting baseball, and not aware of this rule?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 10:37 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by CobraKai:

    You're betting baseball, and not aware of this rule?

    thinking the same thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CobraKai:

    You're betting baseball, and not aware of this rule?

    thinking the same thing...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 11:00 AM ET #6

    seriously
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 11:08 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by CobraKai:

    You're betting baseball, and not aware of this rule?
    lmfao, and a perfect example of why home teams on the run line are always a very shaky bet. Just think, buddy, if they were up by one after 8.5 innings they don't even come to bat again.
    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by CobraKai:

    You're betting baseball, and not aware of this rule?
    lmfao, and a perfect example of why home teams on the run line are always a very shaky bet. Just think, buddy, if they were up by one after 8.5 innings they don't even come to bat again.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 11:27 AM ET #8

    Didn't this scenario play out a couple of weeks ago. The 2nd run would have counted had he crossed home, but the player on 2nd never made it to home plate and only the winning run counted?
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    Didn't this scenario play out a couple of weeks ago. The 2nd run would have counted had he crossed home, but the player on 2nd never made it to home plate and only the winning run counted?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 11:33 AM ET #9

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.
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    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 12:11 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.

     

    It simply works like this. The home team has to hit a homerun for any more than one run to count. The ball has to go over the fence on the fly, or it doesn't matter if the whole team rounds the bases, and touch home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.

     

    It simply works like this. The home team has to hit a homerun for any more than one run to count. The ball has to go over the fence on the fly, or it doesn't matter if the whole team rounds the bases, and touch home.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 12:15 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.

    He doesn't have to touch 2nd base....he just has to not get out before the run crosses the plate.  Everything stops after the winning run crosses the plate. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.

    He doesn't have to touch 2nd base....he just has to not get out before the run crosses the plate.  Everything stops after the winning run crosses the plate. 

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 12:47 PM ET #12

    The only rule regarding touching bases is that he must reach 1st base safely, otherwise if there are 2 outs the other team can appeal and get him called out at first, creating the 3rd out, and noone scores. Now, isn't all that much clearer? On any play other than a walk off homer it is common for the guy to trot across first and let it go at that. NBFD.
    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    The only rule regarding touching bases is that he must reach 1st base safely, otherwise if there are 2 outs the other team can appeal and get him called out at first, creating the 3rd out, and noone scores. Now, isn't all that much clearer? On any play other than a walk off homer it is common for the guy to trot across first and let it go at that. NBFD.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 12:54 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    bottom nine...bases loaded, walkoff ground rule double

    why dont the two runs count like they would in a walk off grand slam?

    Because it wasn't a ground rule double.  Check the boxscore...it was ruled a single.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    bottom nine...bases loaded, walkoff ground rule double

    why dont the two runs count like they would in a walk off grand slam?

    Because it wasn't a ground rule double.  Check the boxscore...it was ruled a single.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 1:03 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.

    I think it was called a single.  But I agree that it's a dumb rule if he did hit a ground rule double in a bases loaded situation and only 1 run scored.  How can you have two people on 2nd base???  Doesn't make sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da_don:

    also as it is a ground rule double isnt he obligated to touch second base? and since it is a ground rule double w/ bases loaded the second run scores automatically with out speed being an issue.

    I think it was called a single.  But I agree that it's a dumb rule if he did hit a ground rule double in a bases loaded situation and only 1 run scored.  How can you have two people on 2nd base???  Doesn't make sense at all.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 1:10 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    lmfao, and a perfect example of why home teams on the run line are always a very shaky bet. Just think, buddy, if they were up by one after 8.5 innings they don't even come to bat again.

    I agree with u 100%!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    lmfao, and a perfect example of why home teams on the run line are always a very shaky bet. Just think, buddy, if they were up by one after 8.5 innings they don't even come to bat again.

    I agree with u 100%!!!!!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 1:20 PM ET #16

    I have bet baseball, and actually played baseball up to university level, and actually won at both, so knowing or not knowing the rule:

    which is as you all know rule 6.09e

    batter and the runners will be entitled to 2 bases,

     

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    I have bet baseball, and actually played baseball up to university level, and actually won at both, so knowing or not knowing the rule:

    which is as you all know rule 6.09e

    batter and the runners will be entitled to 2 bases,

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 1:26 PM ET #17

    It was ruled a single and only run scored because the batter touched first and stopped there. The second runner never touched home plate either.
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    It was ruled a single and only run scored because the batter touched first and stopped there. The second runner never touched home plate either.
     
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    If it was ruled a ground rule double, yes you are correct.  But again, Torres was not credited with a double -- so the umpires and consequently the official scorer ruled it a single, and only the first run counts.  There was no fan interference and the ball stayed in fair territory.  If it stayed in the stands, then yes, it would have been a "ground rule double" with two bases awarded.

     

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    If it was ruled a ground rule double, yes you are correct.  But again, Torres was not credited with a double -- so the umpires and consequently the official scorer ruled it a single, and only the first run counts.  There was no fan interference and the ball stayed in fair territory.  If it stayed in the stands, then yes, it would have been a "ground rule double" with two bases awarded.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2010 - 1:29 PM ET #19

    4.11 The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends.

    (c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.

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    4.11 The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends.

    (c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.

     
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    I stand corrected...even if it WAS ruled a "ground rule double", it is indeed results in only 1 run. 

    10.06(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.

    Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.
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    I stand corrected...even if it WAS ruled a "ground rule double", it is indeed results in only 1 run. 

    10.06(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.

    Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklecurve:

    I stand corrected...even if it WAS ruled a "ground rule double", it is indeed results in only 1 run. 

    10.06(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.

    Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.


    This is absolutely the correct answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklecurve:

    I stand corrected...even if it WAS ruled a "ground rule double", it is indeed results in only 1 run. 

    10.06(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.

    Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.


    This is absolutely the correct answer.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklecurve:

    I stand corrected...even if it WAS ruled a "ground rule double", it is indeed results in only 1 run. 

    10.06(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.

    Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.



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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklecurve:

    I stand corrected...even if it WAS ruled a "ground rule double", it is indeed results in only 1 run. 

    10.06(f) Subject to the provisions of Rule 10.06(g), when a batter ends a game with a safe hit that drives in as many runs as are necessary to put his team in the lead, the official scorer shall credit such batter with only as many bases on his hit as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run, and then only if the batter runs out his hit for as many bases as are advanced by the runner who scores the winning run.

    Rule 10.06(f) Comment: The official scorer shall apply this rule even when the batter is theoretically entitled to more bases because of being awarded an "automatic" extra-base hit under various provisions of Rules 6.09 and 7.05.



     
     
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