I'm 60 years old. I hope that doesn't prejudice anyone when I throw out some thoughts .
I think there are more quality young actors today than 30 years ago. The thing is that what I consider young actors are pushing 40 or more.
I think guys like P. Newman, Geo. Scott, M. Caine and so many others do their best work as they aged. Does anyone remember M. Rooney? Damn good actor after he got past being Andy Hardy.
Looking for other great actors that did their best work after 50.
Maybe you have guys that peetered out young. I think Pacino and Hoffman may be in that group. They seem just be working for a check. TALK!!!
Doc
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I'm 60 years old. I hope that doesn't prejudice anyone when I throw out some thoughts .
I think there are more quality young actors today than 30 years ago. The thing is that what I consider young actors are pushing 40 or more.
I think guys like P. Newman, Geo. Scott, M. Caine and so many others do their best work as they aged. Does anyone remember M. Rooney? Damn good actor after he got past being Andy Hardy.
Looking for other great actors that did their best work after 50.
Maybe you have guys that peetered out young. I think Pacino and Hoffman may be in that group. They seem just be working for a check. TALK!!!
agree with those you listed. suprised you didn't add Robert Duvall. personally disagree on you assessment of Al Pacino and Dustin Hoffman.
former child star Mickey Rooney as "Army" the cut man in Requiem for a Heavyweight (1962) with Anthony Quinn as the washed up boxer "Mountain" Rivera and Jackie Gleason as his manager Maish Rennick. ALL BRILLIANT and one of the classics
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agree with those you listed. suprised you didn't add Robert Duvall. personally disagree on you assessment of Al Pacino and Dustin Hoffman.
former child star Mickey Rooney as "Army" the cut man in Requiem for a Heavyweight (1962) with Anthony Quinn as the washed up boxer "Mountain" Rivera and Jackie Gleason as his manager Maish Rennick. ALL BRILLIANT and one of the classics
PBS had one of those old b/w live plays from the 50's a few weeks ago. Rooney played this ass hole comic who treated everyone like shit. He gets caught at his brothers house plugging(or not) his sycophant brothers wife. Amazing how they could pull that off on live TV. All in cast were on their marks. Rooney gets little credit for a guy who was better as he aged. By the way, the stuff he did early was good and he was always "on" just like the studios wanted. Entertaining was all that man ever knew. Wouldn't you have liked to sit down with a beer with Rooney?
I just haven't seen much from Pacino in awhile. I wonder if he is self absorbed. When he is around he seems like he just like to do Pacino, just my opinion. I think Hoffman has just burned out and is either waiting for a good role or just doesn't care that much.
Didn't mention several actors to leave room for discussion. Duvall? Well, I actually thought about him but was afraid to say he was getting better because he's always been good. He has been great for a long time. Another guy like Rooney who did TV, movies or anything to pay the bills. He wasn't a big star early like some other guys. A guy who I might have mentioned is Henry Fonda. I think his later work was far superior to his early stuff.
GL, Doc
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PBS had one of those old b/w live plays from the 50's a few weeks ago. Rooney played this ass hole comic who treated everyone like shit. He gets caught at his brothers house plugging(or not) his sycophant brothers wife. Amazing how they could pull that off on live TV. All in cast were on their marks. Rooney gets little credit for a guy who was better as he aged. By the way, the stuff he did early was good and he was always "on" just like the studios wanted. Entertaining was all that man ever knew. Wouldn't you have liked to sit down with a beer with Rooney?
I just haven't seen much from Pacino in awhile. I wonder if he is self absorbed. When he is around he seems like he just like to do Pacino, just my opinion. I think Hoffman has just burned out and is either waiting for a good role or just doesn't care that much.
Didn't mention several actors to leave room for discussion. Duvall? Well, I actually thought about him but was afraid to say he was getting better because he's always been good. He has been great for a long time. Another guy like Rooney who did TV, movies or anything to pay the bills. He wasn't a big star early like some other guys. A guy who I might have mentioned is Henry Fonda. I think his later work was far superior to his early stuff.
This isn't on topic but Jackie Gleason was a force. I saw a Toots Shor doc the other day and Gleason was mentioned several times. This dude had no real education but ended up ruling the New York night life and writing music on the side besides doing the TV show and doing a movie occasionally.
You brought up A. Quinn. That guy is on topic. I remember him playing indian, gigolos, soldiers, dock workers and mafia types. He put in his time doing those parts and stage work. Boom, over night sensation. He was good co-starring with K. Douglas in " Lust for Life", the better player in a over wrought, over directed movie. Then things like "Requeim" and "Zorba" Did he get the Academy Award? I want to say no.
Bottom line, this guy got better as he aged.
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This isn't on topic but Jackie Gleason was a force. I saw a Toots Shor doc the other day and Gleason was mentioned several times. This dude had no real education but ended up ruling the New York night life and writing music on the side besides doing the TV show and doing a movie occasionally.
You brought up A. Quinn. That guy is on topic. I remember him playing indian, gigolos, soldiers, dock workers and mafia types. He put in his time doing those parts and stage work. Boom, over night sensation. He was good co-starring with K. Douglas in " Lust for Life", the better player in a over wrought, over directed movie. Then things like "Requeim" and "Zorba" Did he get the Academy Award? I want to say no.
Now I think Clint Eastwood has done some of his best work starting w/ Gran Torino. (Or maybe Unforgiven started his hot streak?) He's now at an age where every movie could be his last, and each one would leave a solid legacy.
Jeff Bridges is a personal favorite because one of my favorite movies is Fearless. It's one of his underrated movies. He is believable in westerns, dramas and sci fi stuff...he could end his career doing his best work like Eastwood.
I agree that it makes sense that actors get better as they age. More life experience means they understand how to play the situations their characters go through. They get better because they understand their job better.
As for a guy who did his best work when he was younger, how about DeNiro?
Robert Deniro shot 4 movies in 2012 and is shooting another 4 in 2013.
The problem with that is he admits to taking some movies for the role,
some for the people he gets to work with, and some for the $$$ they are
throwing at him.
Somehow, I still think he has something left in
the tank and has 1 or 2 great movies left. (Clearly, there's just no
evidence to support me.)
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Now I think Clint Eastwood has done some of his best work starting w/ Gran Torino. (Or maybe Unforgiven started his hot streak?) He's now at an age where every movie could be his last, and each one would leave a solid legacy.
Jeff Bridges is a personal favorite because one of my favorite movies is Fearless. It's one of his underrated movies. He is believable in westerns, dramas and sci fi stuff...he could end his career doing his best work like Eastwood.
I agree that it makes sense that actors get better as they age. More life experience means they understand how to play the situations their characters go through. They get better because they understand their job better.
As for a guy who did his best work when he was younger, how about DeNiro?
Robert Deniro shot 4 movies in 2012 and is shooting another 4 in 2013.
The problem with that is he admits to taking some movies for the role,
some for the people he gets to work with, and some for the $$$ they are
throwing at him.
Somehow, I still think he has something left in
the tank and has 1 or 2 great movies left. (Clearly, there's just no
evidence to support me.)
excellent mentions with Clint Eastwood, Jeff Bridges and Anthony Hopkins.
I though Righteous Kill (2008) with both Pachino and De Niro together was decent BUT obviously NOT nearly as good as their 1995 collaboration in Heat
and speaking of Heat reminded me of Val Kilmer. he was good as Cleveland police detective "Joe Manditski" in the 2011 film Kill the Irishman as was Christopher Walken as Cleveland jewish mobster "Shondor" Birns and Vincent D'Onofrio as mafia gangster John Nardi. none of those three are any "spring chickens" anymore BUT still doing good work.
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excellent mentions with Clint Eastwood, Jeff Bridges and Anthony Hopkins.
I though Righteous Kill (2008) with both Pachino and De Niro together was decent BUT obviously NOT nearly as good as their 1995 collaboration in Heat
and speaking of Heat reminded me of Val Kilmer. he was good as Cleveland police detective "Joe Manditski" in the 2011 film Kill the Irishman as was Christopher Walken as Cleveland jewish mobster "Shondor" Birns and Vincent D'Onofrio as mafia gangster John Nardi. none of those three are any "spring chickens" anymore BUT still doing good work.
watched the 1991 "early mafia history" movie Mobsters last night with Anthony Quinn as Joe "The Boss" Masseria. the man definately did NOT lose any acting ability with age.
"Ripen" for sure
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watched the 1991 "early mafia history" movie Mobsters last night with Anthony Quinn as Joe "The Boss" Masseria. the man definately did NOT lose any acting ability with age.
Syr, You are right on it. Deniro is one that I forgot about. Glad you mentioned him. I wasn't long out of Vietnam when I saw "Deer Hunter". It was a big deal to go see it. It was the first "Nam" movies. I was afraid I would break down and cry so I went by myself. First movie I ever went alone. I walked out thinking this isn't so bad.
That was a crap movie as far as authentic but the the rest was fantastic for me. Deniro and Walken and Streep were great and it was the first time I saw any of them. Then I saw "Mean Streets" and "Godfather" and "Raging Bull". At that time he was the best actor I'd ever seen. Maybe age does ROT some actors. I imagine it's the roles you are offered but that doesn't mean you have to take them. Deniro is off my radar for best actor.
I'm ending this and want to talk about Bridges cause that's a 3 prong story.
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Syr, You are right on it. Deniro is one that I forgot about. Glad you mentioned him. I wasn't long out of Vietnam when I saw "Deer Hunter". It was a big deal to go see it. It was the first "Nam" movies. I was afraid I would break down and cry so I went by myself. First movie I ever went alone. I walked out thinking this isn't so bad.
That was a crap movie as far as authentic but the the rest was fantastic for me. Deniro and Walken and Streep were great and it was the first time I saw any of them. Then I saw "Mean Streets" and "Godfather" and "Raging Bull". At that time he was the best actor I'd ever seen. Maybe age does ROT some actors. I imagine it's the roles you are offered but that doesn't mean you have to take them. Deniro is off my radar for best actor.
I'm ending this and want to talk about Bridges cause that's a 3 prong story.
The Bridges, Lloyd Bridges was a half ass actor who messed around Hollywood churning out a bunch of nothing. He had a TV show called "Sea Hunt" for a while. I loved it when I was 8 or 9 years old. It's fun to see him on old TV shows and bit parts in movies. Pretty below average actor.
Jeff Bridges falls into this conversation about actors ripening or rotting.
He started as far as I know in "The Last Picture Show". Solid!! Started several actors careers. That's starting high and setting a high standard. He did a bunch of crap for years after that but has grown dramatically since then. "Lebowski" and that movie he won the academy award for show that he has grown with age. He has got stuck in some crap movies but I think he'll be careful about what he does from now on. He seems like a independent thinker.
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The Bridges, Lloyd Bridges was a half ass actor who messed around Hollywood churning out a bunch of nothing. He had a TV show called "Sea Hunt" for a while. I loved it when I was 8 or 9 years old. It's fun to see him on old TV shows and bit parts in movies. Pretty below average actor.
Jeff Bridges falls into this conversation about actors ripening or rotting.
He started as far as I know in "The Last Picture Show". Solid!! Started several actors careers. That's starting high and setting a high standard. He did a bunch of crap for years after that but has grown dramatically since then. "Lebowski" and that movie he won the academy award for show that he has grown with age. He has got stuck in some crap movies but I think he'll be careful about what he does from now on. He seems like a independent thinker.
excellent mentions with Clint Eastwood, Jeff Bridges and Anthony Hopkins.
I though Righteous Kill (2008) with both Pachino and De Niro together was decent BUT obviously NOT nearly as good as their 1995 collaboration in Heat
and speaking of Heat reminded me of Val Kilmer. he was good as Cleveland police detective "Joe Manditski" in the 2011 film Kill the Irishman as was Christopher Walken as Cleveland jewish mobster "Shondor" Birns and Vincent D'Onofrio as mafia gangster John Nardi. none of those three are any "spring chickens" anymore BUT still doing good work.
Gonna be tough for Kilmer to top doc Holiday in Tombstone.
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Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:
excellent mentions with Clint Eastwood, Jeff Bridges and Anthony Hopkins.
I though Righteous Kill (2008) with both Pachino and De Niro together was decent BUT obviously NOT nearly as good as their 1995 collaboration in Heat
and speaking of Heat reminded me of Val Kilmer. he was good as Cleveland police detective "Joe Manditski" in the 2011 film Kill the Irishman as was Christopher Walken as Cleveland jewish mobster "Shondor" Birns and Vincent D'Onofrio as mafia gangster John Nardi. none of those three are any "spring chickens" anymore BUT still doing good work.
Gonna be tough for Kilmer to top doc Holiday in Tombstone.
I think baronman was trying his best to say J. Nicholson was on the ROT list. Can't argue with that. He started out doing horror flicks and maybe it'll come full circle for him. Doesn't seem he has a lot left in the tank. "As Good as it Gets" was perfect for him and "The Departed" was decent. ( Kilmer, Hopkins, Walken, Clive Owens, or a hundred others) could have done that role. Hell, I would like to see how Toby Jones would have played it. Yeh, Nicholson needs a good movie.
GL, Doc
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I think baronman was trying his best to say J. Nicholson was on the ROT list. Can't argue with that. He started out doing horror flicks and maybe it'll come full circle for him. Doesn't seem he has a lot left in the tank. "As Good as it Gets" was perfect for him and "The Departed" was decent. ( Kilmer, Hopkins, Walken, Clive Owens, or a hundred others) could have done that role. Hell, I would like to see how Toby Jones would have played it. Yeh, Nicholson needs a good movie.
Syracuse mentioned something I'd like to discuss. I believe Eastwood was a veteran. Not combat but in a time not far removed from WWII. I'm sure he grew up around many combat vets and served with a lot of them. In his greatest movie "The Unforgiven" he stood tall and admitted he had killed"women, children, and anything that moved". He was that baby killer soldier but now he was a different man. Yet, he ended up in a situation that combat vets know. Hackman killed his fox hole brother and nothing short of death would stop him from absolute revenge. The movie was beautiful to me. There's much more to say about that classic western but ...
Let's jump ahead to his Iwo Jima movie. I think it is going to be another classic type movie. Brilliant war movie depicting the Japanese point of view as they fought a losing cause. He showed the other side of the coin in a way that anyone should understand.
Eastwood says in these movies the way I feel. If it's war then let's scorch the earth with death. If we win then we have the power to see their side. They suffered, too. I think Eastwood is a generous man. A deep thinker.
Eastwood will go down as a great talent. He already has a legacy that few if any living directors or actors can match.
GL, Doc
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Syracuse mentioned something I'd like to discuss. I believe Eastwood was a veteran. Not combat but in a time not far removed from WWII. I'm sure he grew up around many combat vets and served with a lot of them. In his greatest movie "The Unforgiven" he stood tall and admitted he had killed"women, children, and anything that moved". He was that baby killer soldier but now he was a different man. Yet, he ended up in a situation that combat vets know. Hackman killed his fox hole brother and nothing short of death would stop him from absolute revenge. The movie was beautiful to me. There's much more to say about that classic western but ...
Let's jump ahead to his Iwo Jima movie. I think it is going to be another classic type movie. Brilliant war movie depicting the Japanese point of view as they fought a losing cause. He showed the other side of the coin in a way that anyone should understand.
Eastwood says in these movies the way I feel. If it's war then let's scorch the earth with death. If we win then we have the power to see their side. They suffered, too. I think Eastwood is a generous man. A deep thinker.
Eastwood will go down as a great talent. He already has a legacy that few if any living directors or actors can match.
Let's jump ahead to his (Eastwood's) Iwo Jima movie (which he directed)
Letters from Iwo Jima was really well acted and well done. it's well worth watching if you like WWII history or are a fan of Akira Kurosawa directed movies like Seven Samurai, Yojimbo and Throne of Blood which all featured Toshiro Mifune. Ken Watanabe as General Kuribayashi was like the reincarnation of Mifune in this one.
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Let's jump ahead to his (Eastwood's) Iwo Jima movie (which he directed)
Letters from Iwo Jima was really well acted and well done. it's well worth watching if you like WWII history or are a fan of Akira Kurosawa directed movies like Seven Samurai, Yojimbo and Throne of Blood which all featured Toshiro Mifune. Ken Watanabe as General Kuribayashi was like the reincarnation of Mifune in this one.
Rat, Good point on K. Watanabe. There were so many good performances in that movie. To me it was good to see war movies go deeper and deeper into the minds and real life struggles of soldiers What those guys went through was universal. Can you imagine being in that place and time?? I know war but not that shit!!
You didn't say you liked Kurasawa but I think you do. I saw 7 Samurai all the way through. I didn't care for it. I appreciate the effort but just didn't like the movie. I love foreign films of all ilks but those Asian movies are hard to watch. I did see one recently that I liked but forget the name. It was about 3 different people seeing a crime in different ways. Very arty but at least interesting. Many remakes on the same theme. person movies confuse me and talking about them confuse me more.
Never got around to Mifune. That guy is okay. Love that scowl he would carry around. His best acting skill was acting pissed off. Not sure that Watanabe was playing Mifune in Iwo Jima but you know way more than me about Japanese films. Wasn't that Mifune that fought L. Marvin on a island in a WW11 movie?? Not sure??
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Rat, Good point on K. Watanabe. There were so many good performances in that movie. To me it was good to see war movies go deeper and deeper into the minds and real life struggles of soldiers What those guys went through was universal. Can you imagine being in that place and time?? I know war but not that shit!!
You didn't say you liked Kurasawa but I think you do. I saw 7 Samurai all the way through. I didn't care for it. I appreciate the effort but just didn't like the movie. I love foreign films of all ilks but those Asian movies are hard to watch. I did see one recently that I liked but forget the name. It was about 3 different people seeing a crime in different ways. Very arty but at least interesting. Many remakes on the same theme. person movies confuse me and talking about them confuse me more.
Never got around to Mifune. That guy is okay. Love that scowl he would carry around. His best acting skill was acting pissed off. Not sure that Watanabe was playing Mifune in Iwo Jima but you know way more than me about Japanese films. Wasn't that Mifune that fought L. Marvin on a island in a WW11 movie?? Not sure??
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