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    LEBRON should go down as GREATEST ever!!!

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    nickeydyme
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    So sick of the posts on here discrediting how good this guy is and the talk of leaving to win a championship.  I would imagine around 75% of the NBA players end up playing for more than 1 team.  And the goal is to win the championship isn't it?  Don't we all pick the best players when we play pick-up games?  He never wanted to leave Cleveland before he won a ring there but he was too good to fast and he never got that second lottery pick that most teams get when they are rebuilding.  Son instead he was left with guys who most wouldnt play on other teams and he made them better but in the end he got tired every year because it eventually catches up to you in April/June. 

    How come nobody talks about AI or Barkley or Melo or Karl Malone, soon to be Dwight and many other superstars that tried their best witht their orginal team to win but ultimately left for a better team and still didn't succeed.  Or Clyde Drexler, Shaq, Garnett these guys played years at the highest level and never could get over the hump without joining other superstars (Pierce and Allen), (Phil, Kobe, Wade, Riley) and (Hakeem).

    No championship has ever been one by one superstar, the only team i can remember winning without any superstars was the 04 pistons and that team's entire starting lineup was all-stars and had a HOF coach.  Kobe would not have 5 rings without Shaq leaving Orlando, Pau coming in a ridiculous trade, and Phil Jackson coaching him, not to mention a great group of role players on those teams.  Jordan was 1-9 in playoff games until Pippen was drafted and Lebron is still younger than Jordan when he won his first ring, Jordan was in his 7th year and 28, Lebron just finished his 9th year (he was so good he didn't need college) and is only 27.  He's about to enter his prime for the next 5 years.  He almost scores as much as Jordan did, much better passer, and rebounder.  His teammates love him and he doesn''t need to be a dick the way Kobe and MJ were to motivate his guys.  Not to mention he seems to be a legit good guy unlike the other two who both are repeat cheaters on their spouses. 

    He has been consistenly good with crap around him and now he has a decent squad not as good as the bulls or lakers and he is about to take over.  Shaq was in his prime for the laker runs and so was Pau, as was Pippen.  DWade is good but old and his best days are behind him, yes he is a HOFer but he is done dominating and Bosh is not a HOFer and never will be, he is around the 30th-35th best player in NBA and that is being generous.  A solid role player, much like Kukoc, Horace Grant, Longley, Rodman, Horry, Fisher...

    When it's all said and done in 10 years he will def be top 5 all-time pts scored, top 50 all-time rebounds, and top 50 all-time assists or better.  He will probably end up with 5-7 rings and more MVPs and All-Defense Team than both Kobe and MJ.  Obviously he is only half way through his career now so he doesn't have them yet but neither did Jordan or Kobe.  I could see him going back to Cleveland in 4-5 years and winning them a championship too before he retires, that's how nice a guy he is and how much he loved that city.

    So, recap, every championship is won with 2-3 HOFers and or 2 HOFers and a HOF coach, the Heat have two on their team just like the Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, Celtics, Spurs, Knicks, Rockets all did.

    So what other reason is there to hate the guy for?

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    So sick of the posts on here discrediting how good this guy is and the talk of leaving to win a championship.  I would imagine around 75% of the NBA players end up playing for more than 1 team.  And the goal is to win the championship isn't it?  Don't we all pick the best players when we play pick-up games?  He never wanted to leave Cleveland before he won a ring there but he was too good to fast and he never got that second lottery pick that most teams get when they are rebuilding.  Son instead he was left with guys who most wouldnt play on other teams and he made them better but in the end he got tired every year because it eventually catches up to you in April/June. 

    How come nobody talks about AI or Barkley or Melo or Karl Malone, soon to be Dwight and many other superstars that tried their best witht their orginal team to win but ultimately left for a better team and still didn't succeed.  Or Clyde Drexler, Shaq, Garnett these guys played years at the highest level and never could get over the hump without joining other superstars (Pierce and Allen), (Phil, Kobe, Wade, Riley) and (Hakeem).

    No championship has ever been one by one superstar, the only team i can remember winning without any superstars was the 04 pistons and that team's entire starting lineup was all-stars and had a HOF coach.  Kobe would not have 5 rings without Shaq leaving Orlando, Pau coming in a ridiculous trade, and Phil Jackson coaching him, not to mention a great group of role players on those teams.  Jordan was 1-9 in playoff games until Pippen was drafted and Lebron is still younger than Jordan when he won his first ring, Jordan was in his 7th year and 28, Lebron just finished his 9th year (he was so good he didn't need college) and is only 27.  He's about to enter his prime for the next 5 years.  He almost scores as much as Jordan did, much better passer, and rebounder.  His teammates love him and he doesn''t need to be a dick the way Kobe and MJ were to motivate his guys.  Not to mention he seems to be a legit good guy unlike the other two who both are repeat cheaters on their spouses. 

    He has been consistenly good with crap around him and now he has a decent squad not as good as the bulls or lakers and he is about to take over.  Shaq was in his prime for the laker runs and so was Pau, as was Pippen.  DWade is good but old and his best days are behind him, yes he is a HOFer but he is done dominating and Bosh is not a HOFer and never will be, he is around the 30th-35th best player in NBA and that is being generous.  A solid role player, much like Kukoc, Horace Grant, Longley, Rodman, Horry, Fisher...

    When it's all said and done in 10 years he will def be top 5 all-time pts scored, top 50 all-time rebounds, and top 50 all-time assists or better.  He will probably end up with 5-7 rings and more MVPs and All-Defense Team than both Kobe and MJ.  Obviously he is only half way through his career now so he doesn't have them yet but neither did Jordan or Kobe.  I could see him going back to Cleveland in 4-5 years and winning them a championship too before he retires, that's how nice a guy he is and how much he loved that city.

    So, recap, every championship is won with 2-3 HOFers and or 2 HOFers and a HOF coach, the Heat have two on their team just like the Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, Celtics, Spurs, Knicks, Rockets all did.

    So what other reason is there to hate the guy for?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 2:32 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by nickeydyme:

    No championship has ever been one by one superstar, the only team i can remember winning without any superstars was the 04 pistons and that team's entire starting lineup was all-stars and had a HOF coach.  Kobe would not have 5 rings without Shaq leaving Orlando, Pau coming in a ridiculous trade, and Phil Jackson coaching him, not to mention a great group of role players on those teams.  Jordan was 1-9 in playoff games until Pippen was drafted and Lebron is still younger than Jordan when he won his first ring, Jordan was in his 7th year and 28, Lebron just finished his 9th year (he was so good he didn't need college) and is only 27.  He's about to enter his prime for the next 5 years.  He almost scores as much as Jordan did, much better passer, and rebounder.  His teammates love him and he doesn''t need to be a dick the way Kobe and MJ were to motivate his guys.  Not to mention he seems to be a legit good guy unlike the other two who both are repeat cheaters on their spouses. 



    You sound like a big Lebron nuthugger. So Jordan was a year older but it took him 2 less years to win a championship so I dont see your argument there. As for the motivation thing, how many times have you seen Lebron yelling at his teammates when they make a mistake?? Right now Lebron is by far the best player in the NBA. However, if he doesnt improve his shooting he wont be the best for long. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickeydyme:

    No championship has ever been one by one superstar, the only team i can remember winning without any superstars was the 04 pistons and that team's entire starting lineup was all-stars and had a HOF coach.  Kobe would not have 5 rings without Shaq leaving Orlando, Pau coming in a ridiculous trade, and Phil Jackson coaching him, not to mention a great group of role players on those teams.  Jordan was 1-9 in playoff games until Pippen was drafted and Lebron is still younger than Jordan when he won his first ring, Jordan was in his 7th year and 28, Lebron just finished his 9th year (he was so good he didn't need college) and is only 27.  He's about to enter his prime for the next 5 years.  He almost scores as much as Jordan did, much better passer, and rebounder.  His teammates love him and he doesn''t need to be a dick the way Kobe and MJ were to motivate his guys.  Not to mention he seems to be a legit good guy unlike the other two who both are repeat cheaters on their spouses. 



    You sound like a big Lebron nuthugger. So Jordan was a year older but it took him 2 less years to win a championship so I dont see your argument there. As for the motivation thing, how many times have you seen Lebron yelling at his teammates when they make a mistake?? Right now Lebron is by far the best player in the NBA. However, if he doesnt improve his shooting he wont be the best for long. 
     
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    Everyone yells on the court...the consistent jumper is the next piece of the puzzle he will solve...Jordan wasn't a finished product until years after he was in league...he is getting better every year at everything you can get better at, I was actually way off in my post, Lebron should become all-time points scored and will be close to being all- time assists leader and will end up top 30 in rebounding...exactly my point Jordan didn't win until he hit his NBA prime (28-32) and lebron did a year earlier, after 9 years no one was labeling Jordan best ever.
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    Everyone yells on the court...the consistent jumper is the next piece of the puzzle he will solve...Jordan wasn't a finished product until years after he was in league...he is getting better every year at everything you can get better at, I was actually way off in my post, Lebron should become all-time points scored and will be close to being all- time assists leader and will end up top 30 in rebounding...exactly my point Jordan didn't win until he hit his NBA prime (28-32) and lebron did a year earlier, after 9 years no one was labeling Jordan best ever.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 3:31 AM ET #4

    Totally agree. no1 is close to lebron. no1.
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    Totally agree. no1 is close to lebron. no1.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 4:28 AM ET #5

    Lebron will never be 1 all time in points scored. Maybe #2 after Malone but you cant beat Kareem in points. 38,000 points?? The dude was scoring 20+ in his 40's. Lebron wont do that, he needs his athleticism. But Lebron will be considered top 5 all time if he wins some more rings. Totally agree with your article, people just bash Lebron because they know he's that good. They can't stop comparing him to MJ because he has the Potential to be that good. 
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    Lebron will never be 1 all time in points scored. Maybe #2 after Malone but you cant beat Kareem in points. 38,000 points?? The dude was scoring 20+ in his 40's. Lebron wont do that, he needs his athleticism. But Lebron will be considered top 5 all time if he wins some more rings. Totally agree with your article, people just bash Lebron because they know he's that good. They can't stop comparing him to MJ because he has the Potential to be that good. 
     
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    if lebron plays another 13 years he will be pretty close to being #1 all-time points imo, he is still peaking as far as scoring goes, i think his best days are still to come, his only thing that will hold him back is that he is the ULTIMATE teammate, he doesn't force bad shots over double/triple teams, he finds the open teammate. 
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    if lebron plays another 13 years he will be pretty close to being #1 all-time points imo, he is still peaking as far as scoring goes, i think his best days are still to come, his only thing that will hold him back is that he is the ULTIMATE teammate, he doesn't force bad shots over double/triple teams, he finds the open teammate. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 7:55 PM ET #7

    just leave jordan and kobe out of it until his career is over cuz he has along way to go to reach their careers not sayin he wont b up there someday but for now its ridiculous

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    just leave jordan and kobe out of it until his career is over cuz he has along way to go to reach their careers not sayin he wont b up there someday but for now its ridiculous

     
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    the post says "should go down as greatest ever" meaning when his career is over in 10+ years but like everything in life you project the future based on the past and he is on his way...It's like evolution the greatest men on earth 200 years ago thought they were the best looking, most smart, tallest, strongest...and through time we learn from them and evolve into even better people, it's inevitable
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    the post says "should go down as greatest ever" meaning when his career is over in 10+ years but like everything in life you project the future based on the past and he is on his way...It's like evolution the greatest men on earth 200 years ago thought they were the best looking, most smart, tallest, strongest...and through time we learn from them and evolve into even better people, it's inevitable
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 10:19 PM ET #9

    Nobodys gonna read all that...shut up. Let me know when lebron has half as many as MJ
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    Nobodys gonna read all that...shut up. Let me know when lebron has half as many as MJ
     
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    Anyone that opens the post I'm guessing will, sorry you didn't have better education...half as many what? With that logic Derek fisher and Robert horry are two of the greatest to ever play huh? Moron
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    Anyone that opens the post I'm guessing will, sorry you didn't have better education...half as many what? With that logic Derek fisher and Robert horry are two of the greatest to ever play huh? Moron
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2012 - 11:11 PM ET #15

    Most talent ever...only 1 ring.

    Call me when he's in Kobe's neighborhood and has 4 rings. 

    He needs 8 to surpass MJ
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    Most talent ever...only 1 ring.

    Call me when he's in Kobe's neighborhood and has 4 rings. 

    He needs 8 to surpass MJ
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapistberger84:

    Most talent ever...only 1 ring.

    Call me when he's in Kobe's neighborhood and has 4 rings. 

    He needs 8 to surpass MJ


    how many Kobe and MJ need to surpass Robert Horry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapistberger84:

    Most talent ever...only 1 ring.

    Call me when he's in Kobe's neighborhood and has 4 rings. 

    He needs 8 to surpass MJ


    how many Kobe and MJ need to surpass Robert Horry?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2012 - 2:14 AM ET #17

    Mellow---nice article, people also forget he was a spoiled 25 year old kid when he made "the decision", he's grown up so much since then, I really think he just wanted the same experience that all the high school seniors had when they announced where they would play and he was just nieve to think everyone would love and support him no matter what his choice was because his whole life that's how it was
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    Mellow---nice article, people also forget he was a spoiled 25 year old kid when he made "the decision", he's grown up so much since then, I really think he just wanted the same experience that all the high school seniors had when they announced where they would play and he was just nieve to think everyone would love and support him no matter what his choice was because his whole life that's how it was
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2012 - 1:47 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by 23juami23:

    Lebron will never be 1 all time in points scored. Maybe #2 after Malone but you cant beat Kareem in points. 38,000 points?? The dude was scoring 20+ in his 40's. Lebron wont do that, he needs his athleticism. But Lebron will be considered top 5 all time if he wins some more rings. Totally agree with your article, people just bash Lebron because they know he's that good. They can't stop comparing him to MJ because he has the Potential to be that good. 


    I never like to compare those stats.  It's an advantage to Lebron right now because he started at a much younger age than all of those guys you mentioned. 

    It would be fair to compare single games.  So far Kobe has multiple 50+ point games including a 81 point game!  Now that is sick.  MJ has multiple 60+ point games in his career.  Kobe and MJ are finishers.  Lebron is just starting to prove that he can finish.  We shall see about that.

    Lebron is the greatest player in this era.  I can't find anyone close to him right now.  He's playing at the highest level of his career and it looks like he can do even better now that he tasted the champagne and going to get his championship ring.  He's gonna want it more.   Plus, he needs to backup his words about getting 7+ rings.  He does have the team to help him in DWade, CBosh and Battier. 

    Now if we can just wish that Kobe, MJ, Malone, RMiller, PEwing, TDuncan, KG, Hakeem can all be at the same era as Lebron then no one would notice him.  I'll be a recognized player for a team but not someone that we could see winning the big one.  MJ played at the era where more than half of the elites mentioned and succeeded. 

    Can one ring really tell you how great a player is?  Not really.  From here on we should see if Lebron can live up to be an elite player.  If he remains in beast mode for the next 5 years, then I can see him be considered as an elite player.  For now, let's just say he's a superstar (with lots of help). 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 23juami23:

    Lebron will never be 1 all time in points scored. Maybe #2 after Malone but you cant beat Kareem in points. 38,000 points?? The dude was scoring 20+ in his 40's. Lebron wont do that, he needs his athleticism. But Lebron will be considered top 5 all time if he wins some more rings. Totally agree with your article, people just bash Lebron because they know he's that good. They can't stop comparing him to MJ because he has the Potential to be that good. 


    I never like to compare those stats.  It's an advantage to Lebron right now because he started at a much younger age than all of those guys you mentioned. 

    It would be fair to compare single games.  So far Kobe has multiple 50+ point games including a 81 point game!  Now that is sick.  MJ has multiple 60+ point games in his career.  Kobe and MJ are finishers.  Lebron is just starting to prove that he can finish.  We shall see about that.

    Lebron is the greatest player in this era.  I can't find anyone close to him right now.  He's playing at the highest level of his career and it looks like he can do even better now that he tasted the champagne and going to get his championship ring.  He's gonna want it more.   Plus, he needs to backup his words about getting 7+ rings.  He does have the team to help him in DWade, CBosh and Battier. 

    Now if we can just wish that Kobe, MJ, Malone, RMiller, PEwing, TDuncan, KG, Hakeem can all be at the same era as Lebron then no one would notice him.  I'll be a recognized player for a team but not someone that we could see winning the big one.  MJ played at the era where more than half of the elites mentioned and succeeded. 

    Can one ring really tell you how great a player is?  Not really.  From here on we should see if Lebron can live up to be an elite player.  If he remains in beast mode for the next 5 years, then I can see him be considered as an elite player.  For now, let's just say he's a superstar (with lots of help). 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2012 - 4:38 PM ET #19

    You are right, he is THE superstar and lots of help is big stretch, Bosh is equivalent to a lamar odom on your team, all star yes but never will be hofer, dwade is in decline, barrier is 36 I think, Mike miller is probably retiring, chalmers is starting to look capable but jury still out on him, haslem is around 33 and bench player...its all him, he is the reason they are champs...

    Your statement that no one would notice him is absurd, people have noticed this kid since he was in 8th grade and he plays against better competition now than the 80's
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    You are right, he is THE superstar and lots of help is big stretch, Bosh is equivalent to a lamar odom on your team, all star yes but never will be hofer, dwade is in decline, barrier is 36 I think, Mike miller is probably retiring, chalmers is starting to look capable but jury still out on him, haslem is around 33 and bench player...its all him, he is the reason they are champs...

    Your statement that no one would notice him is absurd, people have noticed this kid since he was in 8th grade and he plays against better competition now than the 80's
     
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    Posted: Jun. 27, 2012 - 7:31 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by nickeydyme:

    if lebron plays another 13 years he will be pretty close to being #1 all-time points imo, he is still peaking as far as scoring goes, i think his best days are still to come, his only thing that will hold him back is that he is the ULTIMATE teammate, he doesn't force bad shots over double/triple teams, he finds the open teammate. 

    Actually LBJ is on pace to past Kareem Abdul Jabbar

    And Kareem knows it.....two years ago he made a comment that he is AGAINST 18 year olds coming into the NBA

    He didn't say that when Kobe came in....McGrady, Garnett, etc...etc.....it is LBJ that is consistently...THE YOUNGEST AND FASTEST TO

    5000 pts....10,000 pts....15,000 pts   etc..etc..etc..

    Get it.....LBJ doesn't have to play the years Kareem played....what LBJ has in his favor is a 4 year head start....Jabbar went to college....LBJ did not

    This folks is the elephant in the room.....and hard for folks to see,...because LBJ passes the ball and always finishes #2 OR #3 In the league in scoring (not #1) folks think that he doesnt score the ball....But owe he does and he does so consistently every year

    He will be the #1 all time leading scorer when it is all said and done

    Oh, and the folks that keep referring to the ring count with LBJ compared to Kome and MJ.....he may not surpass them in rings b/c LBJ was cursed to a sorry, ill managed and no #2 scorer-all star teammate with Cavs

    BUT

    He will pass MJ and Kobe in EVERY and I did not stutter EVERY nba statistical career catergory and that is the true measurement of individual performance...pts scored....rebounds grabbed...assists dished...steals grabbed and shots blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickeydyme:

    if lebron plays another 13 years he will be pretty close to being #1 all-time points imo, he is still peaking as far as scoring goes, i think his best days are still to come, his only thing that will hold him back is that he is the ULTIMATE teammate, he doesn't force bad shots over double/triple teams, he finds the open teammate. 

    Actually LBJ is on pace to past Kareem Abdul Jabbar

    And Kareem knows it.....two years ago he made a comment that he is AGAINST 18 year olds coming into the NBA

    He didn't say that when Kobe came in....McGrady, Garnett, etc...etc.....it is LBJ that is consistently...THE YOUNGEST AND FASTEST TO

    5000 pts....10,000 pts....15,000 pts   etc..etc..etc..

    Get it.....LBJ doesn't have to play the years Kareem played....what LBJ has in his favor is a 4 year head start....Jabbar went to college....LBJ did not

    This folks is the elephant in the room.....and hard for folks to see,...because LBJ passes the ball and always finishes #2 OR #3 In the league in scoring (not #1) folks think that he doesnt score the ball....But owe he does and he does so consistently every year

    He will be the #1 all time leading scorer when it is all said and done

    Oh, and the folks that keep referring to the ring count with LBJ compared to Kome and MJ.....he may not surpass them in rings b/c LBJ was cursed to a sorry, ill managed and no #2 scorer-all star teammate with Cavs

    BUT

    He will pass MJ and Kobe in EVERY and I did not stutter EVERY nba statistical career catergory and that is the true measurement of individual performance...pts scored....rebounds grabbed...assists dished...steals grabbed and shots blocked.

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 28, 2012 - 12:34 AM ET #21

    Finally someone sees it, nice write up ct, 100% agree
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    Finally someone sees it, nice write up ct, 100% agree
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