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    Mark Jackson fired

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    SportsFan9698
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 8:26 PM ET #1

    What is the story here?  Of course it has nothing to do with performance... GS is playing better than anytime in my lifetime.  By all accounts his players love him.  So obviously some rub with ownership or management.

    All of the commentators are in unison... they blame ownership.  But they always do that... they cater to their friends and it just plays better on air.  There is something to this story.  Something we do not know yet.

    Back in the early 80's, the Bulls fired Doug Collins under the same circumstances.  Jordan era, the team was doing great, and looking to knock off the Pistons soon.  Then they fired Collins.

    Turns out, (rumors) say that Collins was banging the owners daughter.  Of course that kind of thing is never verified as fact.  Some thing is going on here that we don't know about.  It is more than a personality conflict.  Blame could be anywhere... I just don't buy the analysts all being in unison here.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    What is the story here?  Of course it has nothing to do with performance... GS is playing better than anytime in my lifetime.  By all accounts his players love him.  So obviously some rub with ownership or management.

    All of the commentators are in unison... they blame ownership.  But they always do that... they cater to their friends and it just plays better on air.  There is something to this story.  Something we do not know yet.

    Back in the early 80's, the Bulls fired Doug Collins under the same circumstances.  Jordan era, the team was doing great, and looking to knock off the Pistons soon.  Then they fired Collins.

    Turns out, (rumors) say that Collins was banging the owners daughter.  Of course that kind of thing is never verified as fact.  Some thing is going on here that we don't know about.  It is more than a personality conflict.  Blame could be anywhere... I just don't buy the analysts all being in unison here.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 8:38 PM ET #2

    He just didn't get along with his bosses. I think it's partly about performance. It's just like any job. If you're a pain in the behind and win titles, see Phil Jackson, people will put up with anything. If you're average or above average you gotta get along with your bosses or it's not worth it to keep you around. 
    If he won a title this year or even made the conf finals I think they'd be hard pressed to fire him. 
    I don't think he's banging anyone's daughter. He's just a pain in the behind they're tired of dealing with.
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    He just didn't get along with his bosses. I think it's partly about performance. It's just like any job. If you're a pain in the behind and win titles, see Phil Jackson, people will put up with anything. If you're average or above average you gotta get along with your bosses or it's not worth it to keep you around. 
    If he won a title this year or even made the conf finals I think they'd be hard pressed to fire him. 
    I don't think he's banging anyone's daughter. He's just a pain in the behind they're tired of dealing with.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 8:40 PM ET #3

    Just a bad apple, strong personality
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    Just a bad apple, strong personality
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 9:11 PM ET #4

    Umm hello mark jackson is a nice guy but a pathetic coach..all he is is a cheerleader and a motivator...ever seen him get upset get in someone's face or draw up,a play  NO he had to go 
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    Umm hello mark jackson is a nice guy but a pathetic coach..all he is is a cheerleader and a motivator...ever seen him get upset get in someone's face or draw up,a play  NO he had to go 
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 9:18 PM ET #5

    Maybe he will go to the Lakers...
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    Maybe he will go to the Lakers...
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 10:34 PM ET #6

    Okay, Warriors had made the postseason ONCE in 17 F'IN years before Jackson got there.

    Obviously, he had to go..............

    If you are going to fire a guy, you had better have somebody lined up...............and better....................to take his place.

    It can't be Steve Kerr, because nobody hires a coach with no experience at the NBA level.......................unless......................it was your previous coach, Mark Jackson. Ok, that makes sense.

    Hoping the Giants fire Bruce Bochy and 49ers fire Harbaugh to make it a trifecta of stupidity...........................

    Nice job, Warriors. You just bought a ticket back to Suckville. Hope you and the Sac Kings enjoy battling it out...............
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    Okay, Warriors had made the postseason ONCE in 17 F'IN years before Jackson got there.

    Obviously, he had to go..............

    If you are going to fire a guy, you had better have somebody lined up...............and better....................to take his place.

    It can't be Steve Kerr, because nobody hires a coach with no experience at the NBA level.......................unless......................it was your previous coach, Mark Jackson. Ok, that makes sense.

    Hoping the Giants fire Bruce Bochy and 49ers fire Harbaugh to make it a trifecta of stupidity...........................

    Nice job, Warriors. You just bought a ticket back to Suckville. Hope you and the Sac Kings enjoy battling it out...............
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 10:38 PM ET #7

    Warriors will be this years denver nuggets come next season




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    Warriors will be this years denver nuggets come next season




     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2014 - 11:04 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaname484:

    Warriors will be this years denver nuggets come next season






    No chance.

    Way too much talent on the Warriors. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaname484:

    Warriors will be this years denver nuggets come next season






    No chance.

    Way too much talent on the Warriors. 
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2014 - 10:13 AM ET #9

    Okay this does make more sense now... thanks for the comments.

    I have no reason to believe that Mark Jackson is a good coach really... after considering all thoughts, I think GS did well this season based on the talent.  They fell flat in the playoffs, when they were arguably the more talented team.  That is coaching or lack thereof

    The very suspicious thing is that most of the media types are all saying he is such a great guy.  But there are very suspect demographics as to those testimonials.  

    The real test will be if the team has a plan to bring in a coach that will do a better job.  NO you do not need NBA head coaching experience to be successful.  I will point to my own Chicago Bulls, they hired a guy we all never heard of and now he considered one of the very best in the game, AND his players love him.

    Journeymen coaches are a facade.  If they were so damn great they would not have lost their job.  Larry Brown may be the one exception that stands out.
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    Okay this does make more sense now... thanks for the comments.

    I have no reason to believe that Mark Jackson is a good coach really... after considering all thoughts, I think GS did well this season based on the talent.  They fell flat in the playoffs, when they were arguably the more talented team.  That is coaching or lack thereof

    The very suspicious thing is that most of the media types are all saying he is such a great guy.  But there are very suspect demographics as to those testimonials.  

    The real test will be if the team has a plan to bring in a coach that will do a better job.  NO you do not need NBA head coaching experience to be successful.  I will point to my own Chicago Bulls, they hired a guy we all never heard of and now he considered one of the very best in the game, AND his players love him.

    Journeymen coaches are a facade.  If they were so damn great they would not have lost their job.  Larry Brown may be the one exception that stands out.
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2014 - 10:22 AM ET #10

    Perhaps former players are NOT the best choice for a head coach.

    At least not those that quickly rise to head coach soon after a playing career.  Players are all spoiled and overpaid.  Some deserve it more than others.  Most all of them have never had a real job in their lifetime.  A job in which they were paid some obscure amount in which to pay bills.  A job in which they had to conform and please their boss or get fired.  The kind of job that the most of us have had for years.


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    Perhaps former players are NOT the best choice for a head coach.

    At least not those that quickly rise to head coach soon after a playing career.  Players are all spoiled and overpaid.  Some deserve it more than others.  Most all of them have never had a real job in their lifetime.  A job in which they were paid some obscure amount in which to pay bills.  A job in which they had to conform and please their boss or get fired.  The kind of job that the most of us have had for years.


     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2014 - 3:36 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Okay, Warriors had made the postseason ONCE in 17 F'IN years before Jackson got there.

    Obviously, he had to go..............

    If you are going to fire a guy, you had better have somebody lined up...............and better....................to take his place.

    It can't be Steve Kerr, because nobody hires a coach with no experience at the NBA level.......................unless......................it was your previous coach, Mark Jackson. Ok, that makes sense.

    Hoping the Giants fire Bruce Bochy and 49ers fire Harbaugh to make it a trifecta of stupidity...........................

    Nice job, Warriors. You just bought a ticket back to Suckville. Hope you and the Sac Kings enjoy battling it out...............

    Well said "the Hawk", couldn't have said it any better....all I could do is just shake my head....and say "oh" thats logical hire Steve Kerr, cuz he has so much more experience than MJackson. Shesh... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Okay, Warriors had made the postseason ONCE in 17 F'IN years before Jackson got there.

    Obviously, he had to go..............

    If you are going to fire a guy, you had better have somebody lined up...............and better....................to take his place.

    It can't be Steve Kerr, because nobody hires a coach with no experience at the NBA level.......................unless......................it was your previous coach, Mark Jackson. Ok, that makes sense.

    Hoping the Giants fire Bruce Bochy and 49ers fire Harbaugh to make it a trifecta of stupidity...........................

    Nice job, Warriors. You just bought a ticket back to Suckville. Hope you and the Sac Kings enjoy battling it out...............

    Well said "the Hawk", couldn't have said it any better....all I could do is just shake my head....and say "oh" thats logical hire Steve Kerr, cuz he has so much more experience than MJackson. Shesh... 
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2014 - 3:40 PM ET #12

    He did not get along with Wallstreetcappers - the Cover's linesman and did not agree to sit in a box neither. Strong personality indeed
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    He did not get along with Wallstreetcappers - the Cover's linesman and did not agree to sit in a box neither. Strong personality indeed
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2014 - 3:52 PM ET #13

    Bob Myers / Lacob, "It's one thing managing down, managing players. He did a good job of that. The other thing is managing sideways or managing up."

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    Bob Myers / Lacob, "It's one thing managing down, managing players. He did a good job of that. The other thing is managing sideways or managing up."

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:

    Okay this does make more sense now... thanks for the comments.

    I have no reason to believe that Mark Jackson is a good coach really... after considering all thoughts, I think GS did well this season based on the talent.  They fell flat in the playoffs, when they were arguably the more talented team.  That is coaching or lack thereof

    The very suspicious thing is that most of the media types are all saying he is such a great guy.  But there are very suspect demographics as to those testimonials.  

    The real test will be if the team has a plan to bring in a coach that will do a better job.  NO you do not need NBA head coaching experience to be successful.  I will point to my own Chicago Bulls, they hired a guy we all never heard of and now he considered one of the very best in the game, AND his players love him.

    Journeymen coaches are a facade.  If they were so damn great they would not have lost their job.  Larry Brown may be the one exception that stands out.


    Fell flat in the playoffs?

    They were a minute away from winning a game 7.........on the road.

    That is NOT falling flat.

    They were not the more talented team. 

    Clippers were/are the more talented team.

    Bogut being hurt was huge. Look at the numbers for Jordan and Griffin. They did whatever they wanted. No inside defensive presence for the Warriors.

    I was not a fan of how Jackson used his bench during the season. I thought that the offense was pedestrian. Lacked imagination. To much 1 on 1 basketball.

    But the guy won. The players like him. They gave maximum effort. He got them to back to back playoffs. 

    He had them playing defense. 3rd in the league. 

    If Jackson was "dating" Lacobs wife...........he should be fired.

    Otherwise........give the man an extension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:

    Okay this does make more sense now... thanks for the comments.

    I have no reason to believe that Mark Jackson is a good coach really... after considering all thoughts, I think GS did well this season based on the talent.  They fell flat in the playoffs, when they were arguably the more talented team.  That is coaching or lack thereof

    The very suspicious thing is that most of the media types are all saying he is such a great guy.  But there are very suspect demographics as to those testimonials.  

    The real test will be if the team has a plan to bring in a coach that will do a better job.  NO you do not need NBA head coaching experience to be successful.  I will point to my own Chicago Bulls, they hired a guy we all never heard of and now he considered one of the very best in the game, AND his players love him.

    Journeymen coaches are a facade.  If they were so damn great they would not have lost their job.  Larry Brown may be the one exception that stands out.


    Fell flat in the playoffs?

    They were a minute away from winning a game 7.........on the road.

    That is NOT falling flat.

    They were not the more talented team. 

    Clippers were/are the more talented team.

    Bogut being hurt was huge. Look at the numbers for Jordan and Griffin. They did whatever they wanted. No inside defensive presence for the Warriors.

    I was not a fan of how Jackson used his bench during the season. I thought that the offense was pedestrian. Lacked imagination. To much 1 on 1 basketball.

    But the guy won. The players like him. They gave maximum effort. He got them to back to back playoffs. 

    He had them playing defense. 3rd in the league. 

    If Jackson was "dating" Lacobs wife...........he should be fired.

    Otherwise........give the man an extension.
     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2014 - 4:42 PM ET #15

    Nice post HAWK... 
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    Nice post HAWK... 
     
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    Send him to the LAL of course its Magic's call he runs LA now $
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    Send him to the LAL of course its Magic's call he runs LA now $
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Okay, Warriors had made the postseason ONCE in 17 F'IN years before Jackson got there.

    Obviously, he had to go..............

    If you are going to fire a guy, you had better have somebody lined up...............and better....................to take his place.

    It can't be Steve Kerr, because nobody hires a coach with no experience at the NBA level.......................unless......................it was your previous coach, Mark Jackson. Ok, that makes sense.

    Hoping the Giants fire Bruce Bochy and 49ers fire Harbaugh to make it a trifecta of stupidity...........................

    Nice job, Warriors. You just bought a ticket back to Suckville. Hope you and the Sac Kings enjoy battling it out...............

    Ok so you like to use a lot of silly emoticons... do you think that makes your point?  really?

    You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Jackson is a great coach... I would say the jury is out on that one.  He had personality issues with his superiors, his assistant coaches, and reportedly he would be late to the facilities and the first to leave.

    time will tell... let's see how the new guy does with this very talented team  Let''s see who hired Jackson, if he gets hired.  Word is that he is NOT a hot commodity.  You and I are not privy to the details of the problems or why he was fired, but those tidbits do travel with him to other interviews.  Let's see how he does with a new team, if he gets the chance.

    I would not be so assured to bet on him
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

    Okay, Warriors had made the postseason ONCE in 17 F'IN years before Jackson got there.

    Obviously, he had to go..............

    If you are going to fire a guy, you had better have somebody lined up...............and better....................to take his place.

    It can't be Steve Kerr, because nobody hires a coach with no experience at the NBA level.......................unless......................it was your previous coach, Mark Jackson. Ok, that makes sense.

    Hoping the Giants fire Bruce Bochy and 49ers fire Harbaugh to make it a trifecta of stupidity...........................

    Nice job, Warriors. You just bought a ticket back to Suckville. Hope you and the Sac Kings enjoy battling it out...............

    Ok so you like to use a lot of silly emoticons... do you think that makes your point?  really?

    You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Jackson is a great coach... I would say the jury is out on that one.  He had personality issues with his superiors, his assistant coaches, and reportedly he would be late to the facilities and the first to leave.

    time will tell... let's see how the new guy does with this very talented team  Let''s see who hired Jackson, if he gets hired.  Word is that he is NOT a hot commodity.  You and I are not privy to the details of the problems or why he was fired, but those tidbits do travel with him to other interviews.  Let's see how he does with a new team, if he gets the chance.

    I would not be so assured to bet on him
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2014 - 6:53 AM ET #18

    As an avid NBA fan for decades, I always thought he was overrated as a player.
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    As an avid NBA fan for decades, I always thought he was overrated as a player.
     
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    He was not a good fit for the Warriors

    Back to being an analyst
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    He was not a good fit for the Warriors

    Back to being an analyst
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    Ok so you like to use a lot of silly emoticons... do you think that makes your point?  really?

    You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Jackson is a great coach... I would say the jury is out on that one.  He had personality issues with his superiors, his assistant coaches, and reportedly he would be late to the facilities and the first to leave.

    time will tell... let's see how the new guy does with this very talented team  Let''s see who hired Jackson, if he gets hired.  Word is that he is NOT a hot commodity.  You and I are not privy to the details of the problems or why he was fired, but those tidbits do travel with him to other interviews.  Let's see how he does with a new team, if he gets the chance.

    I would not be so assured to bet on him

    Stop making false claim on what the other guy was saying and then argue against him because that doesn't make your point, either.  

    The Hawk NEVER said Jackson is a great coach but he did bring out some interesting points. On the other hand, you said, " I have no reason to believe Mark Jackson is a good coach.." and later came back with, "the jury is still out there" so which one is it? Based on his limited time, I would say he had done a pretty good job.

    A NBA team won with talent? They all do. Do you think Phil Jackson won with scrubs?

    Obviously, there is something behind the firing but if he is such a failure as a coach, it wouldn't come with that kind of responses. See, you don't have to twist and put him down to get your point across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan9698:


    Ok so you like to use a lot of silly emoticons... do you think that makes your point?  really?

    You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Jackson is a great coach... I would say the jury is out on that one.  He had personality issues with his superiors, his assistant coaches, and reportedly he would be late to the facilities and the first to leave.

    time will tell... let's see how the new guy does with this very talented team  Let''s see who hired Jackson, if he gets hired.  Word is that he is NOT a hot commodity.  You and I are not privy to the details of the problems or why he was fired, but those tidbits do travel with him to other interviews.  Let's see how he does with a new team, if he gets the chance.

    I would not be so assured to bet on him

    Stop making false claim on what the other guy was saying and then argue against him because that doesn't make your point, either.  

    The Hawk NEVER said Jackson is a great coach but he did bring out some interesting points. On the other hand, you said, " I have no reason to believe Mark Jackson is a good coach.." and later came back with, "the jury is still out there" so which one is it? Based on his limited time, I would say he had done a pretty good job.

    A NBA team won with talent? They all do. Do you think Phil Jackson won with scrubs?

    Obviously, there is something behind the firing but if he is such a failure as a coach, it wouldn't come with that kind of responses. See, you don't have to twist and put him down to get your point across.

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