I know the Cavs got their asses kicked tonight but I see a Cleveland-San Antonio Finals.....with the backstory of Lebron vs Popovich and Duncan..seems like a nice edge for the NBA to sell to everyone.......anyone see otherwise??......maybe OKC could slip in..they could step up........other match ups appreciated.....might be betting a futures.....
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I know the Cavs got their asses kicked tonight but I see a Cleveland-San Antonio Finals.....with the backstory of Lebron vs Popovich and Duncan..seems like a nice edge for the NBA to sell to everyone.......anyone see otherwise??......maybe OKC could slip in..they could step up........other match ups appreciated.....might be betting a futures.....
Do you think the Thunder, Dubs or the Spurs will make it to the Western Conference Finals?....or someone else??....this seems to be whoever gets on a roll during the post-season.......
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Do you think the Thunder, Dubs or the Spurs will make it to the Western Conference Finals?....or someone else??....this seems to be whoever gets on a roll during the post-season.......
Thunder v. CavsGrizzlies v. RaptorsSpurs v. BullsI have those 3 props
What's the point of having 3 combinations with none of the same teams? That's like saying "I think the cavs will win the east only if thunder win the west, however if grizzlies win the west then cleveland won't win the east" - the two events are independent of each other.
Just my thoughts
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Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:
Thunder v. CavsGrizzlies v. RaptorsSpurs v. BullsI have those 3 props
What's the point of having 3 combinations with none of the same teams? That's like saying "I think the cavs will win the east only if thunder win the west, however if grizzlies win the west then cleveland won't win the east" - the two events are independent of each other.
Warriors playing on an all-time high level, one of the best point margins in history.
Another site using probabilities had the Warriors at over 53% to win the title, by far the highest probability of any team and my indicators say the same thing.
In the most important stat with the highest correlation to winning games....FG%... Warriors are no.1 on offense and no.1 on defense.
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Warriors playing on an all-time high level, one of the best point margins in history.
Another site using probabilities had the Warriors at over 53% to win the title, by far the highest probability of any team and my indicators say the same thing.
In the most important stat with the highest correlation to winning games....FG%... Warriors are no.1 on offense and no.1 on defense.
Warriors playing on an all-time high level, one of the best point margins in history.Another site using probabilities had the Warriors at over 53% to win the title, by far the highest probability of any team and my indicators say the same thing.In the most important stat with the highest correlation to winning games....FG%... Warriors are no.1 on offense and no.1 on defense.
Now I'm not denying that those stats are good indicators but I doubt warriors are considered the best team on offense and defense when they play/spurs/okc/Memphis in a 7 games series. If somehow you could get stats vs the top 8 teams in the western conference vsing each other and what fg% they have then that would be better.
Regular season stats aren't all that important to be honest. They do say what's happening but not the whole story. The spurs in the finals last year had one of the greatest offenses displays ever if not ever and Miami were one of the best defensive teams in the league. Regular seasons stats would've said definitely that the spurs would be unstoppable.
So I doubt the warriors are that good when it comes to vsing one of those teams for that long of a stretch. Especially 3 long series in which they are going to get if they make it.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
Warriors playing on an all-time high level, one of the best point margins in history.Another site using probabilities had the Warriors at over 53% to win the title, by far the highest probability of any team and my indicators say the same thing.In the most important stat with the highest correlation to winning games....FG%... Warriors are no.1 on offense and no.1 on defense.
Now I'm not denying that those stats are good indicators but I doubt warriors are considered the best team on offense and defense when they play/spurs/okc/Memphis in a 7 games series. If somehow you could get stats vs the top 8 teams in the western conference vsing each other and what fg% they have then that would be better.
Regular season stats aren't all that important to be honest. They do say what's happening but not the whole story. The spurs in the finals last year had one of the greatest offenses displays ever if not ever and Miami were one of the best defensive teams in the league. Regular seasons stats would've said definitely that the spurs would be unstoppable.
So I doubt the warriors are that good when it comes to vsing one of those teams for that long of a stretch. Especially 3 long series in which they are going to get if they make it.
Now I'm not denying that those stats are good indicators but I doubt warriors are considered the best team on offense and defense when they play/spurs/okc/Memphis in a 7 games series. If somehow you could get stats vs the top 8 teams in the western conference vsing each other and what fg% they have then that would be better.
Regular season stats aren't all that important to be honest. They do say what's happening but not the whole story. The spurs in the finals last year had one of the greatest offenses displays ever if not ever and Miami were one of the best defensive teams in the league. Regular seasons stats would've said definitely that the spurs would be unstoppable.
So I doubt the warriors are that good when it comes to vsing one of those teams for that long of a stretch. Especially 3 long series in which they are going to get if they make it.
Web sites have broken-down the conference finals and finals using FO guts and stomps method and have found the best indicators going forward are a teams W/L record VS teams outside the top 10, the worst indicator is a teams W/L record VS teams inside the top 5.
Warriors pound teams outside the top 10, that'd be the best indicator based on past history.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eezy-breezy:
Now I'm not denying that those stats are good indicators but I doubt warriors are considered the best team on offense and defense when they play/spurs/okc/Memphis in a 7 games series. If somehow you could get stats vs the top 8 teams in the western conference vsing each other and what fg% they have then that would be better.
Regular season stats aren't all that important to be honest. They do say what's happening but not the whole story. The spurs in the finals last year had one of the greatest offenses displays ever if not ever and Miami were one of the best defensive teams in the league. Regular seasons stats would've said definitely that the spurs would be unstoppable.
So I doubt the warriors are that good when it comes to vsing one of those teams for that long of a stretch. Especially 3 long series in which they are going to get if they make it.
Web sites have broken-down the conference finals and finals using FO guts and stomps method and have found the best indicators going forward are a teams W/L record VS teams outside the top 10, the worst indicator is a teams W/L record VS teams inside the top 5.
Warriors pound teams outside the top 10, that'd be the best indicator based on past history.
For futures I like blazers at 25 to 1 and bucks at 100 to 1 ... current standings bucks would be out 1st Rd by bulls but if they move up or down and face a team like Washington or Toronto I think they can win.
The west is really going to be a wild ride! I'm not a big fan of the mavs, and am really down on spurs and clips this year. A lot of metrics and rankings love the clippers bUT I don't like their style of play and see a team that plays to their opponents level.
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Cavs vs warriors or blazers
For futures I like blazers at 25 to 1 and bucks at 100 to 1 ... current standings bucks would be out 1st Rd by bulls but if they move up or down and face a team like Washington or Toronto I think they can win.
The west is really going to be a wild ride! I'm not a big fan of the mavs, and am really down on spurs and clips this year. A lot of metrics and rankings love the clippers bUT I don't like their style of play and see a team that plays to their opponents level.
Now I'm not denying that those stats are good indicators but I doubt warriors are considered the best team on offense and defense when they play/spurs/okc/Memphis in a 7 games series. If somehow you could get stats vs the top 8 teams in the western conference vsing each other and what fg% they have then that would be better.
Regular season stats aren't all that important to be honest. They do say what's happening but not the whole story. The spurs in the finals last year had one of the greatest offenses displays ever if not ever and Miami were one of the best defensive teams in the league. Regular seasons stats would've said definitely that the spurs would be unstoppable.
So I doubt the warriors are that good when it comes to vsing one of those teams for that long of a stretch. Especially 3 long series in which they are going to get if they make it.
Last season Spurs no.2 in FG % while Heat were no.16th in FG% defense .
Spurs no.2 in EFG % while Heat were no.20th in EFG %.
Spurs no.1 in 3 pt shooting %, Spurs offensive domination over the Heat should not of been a surprise.
Here's the results of every series played from 1977 to 2010........
Team with the better W/L % VS top 5 teams won 65.9% of series
Teams better W/L 5 VS top 10 teams won 71.8%.
Teams with the better W/L % VS teams outside the top 10 won the series 73.2%.
How a team performs VS teams outside the top 10 is a much better indicator in the playoffs than VS top 5 teams, and slightly better than top 10 teams.
This is why I always say................info by itself is useless, understanding how to use info properly gives it value.
And to do this one must do their homework and not assume because something seems to make sense that it works that way.
Next time you hear pundits talk about teams being tested by playing top teams you'll know that's far more myth than reality.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eezy-breezy:
Now I'm not denying that those stats are good indicators but I doubt warriors are considered the best team on offense and defense when they play/spurs/okc/Memphis in a 7 games series. If somehow you could get stats vs the top 8 teams in the western conference vsing each other and what fg% they have then that would be better.
Regular season stats aren't all that important to be honest. They do say what's happening but not the whole story. The spurs in the finals last year had one of the greatest offenses displays ever if not ever and Miami were one of the best defensive teams in the league. Regular seasons stats would've said definitely that the spurs would be unstoppable.
So I doubt the warriors are that good when it comes to vsing one of those teams for that long of a stretch. Especially 3 long series in which they are going to get if they make it.
Last season Spurs no.2 in FG % while Heat were no.16th in FG% defense .
Spurs no.2 in EFG % while Heat were no.20th in EFG %.
Spurs no.1 in 3 pt shooting %, Spurs offensive domination over the Heat should not of been a surprise.
Here's the results of every series played from 1977 to 2010........
Team with the better W/L % VS top 5 teams won 65.9% of series
Teams better W/L 5 VS top 10 teams won 71.8%.
Teams with the better W/L % VS teams outside the top 10 won the series 73.2%.
How a team performs VS teams outside the top 10 is a much better indicator in the playoffs than VS top 5 teams, and slightly better than top 10 teams.
This is why I always say................info by itself is useless, understanding how to use info properly gives it value.
And to do this one must do their homework and not assume because something seems to make sense that it works that way.
Next time you hear pundits talk about teams being tested by playing top teams you'll know that's far more myth than reality.
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