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    OKC is out. Time for Scott Brooks to go

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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 1:00 AM ET #1

    Now that the Oklahoma City Thunder have been knocked out of the playoffs, its time for them to make a coaching change if they ever want to have a chance to win the title with this group. I know that Russell Westbrook is out and if you read my other blogs you would see I ranked him as the second best point guard in the league. So I do understand what a huge loss it is for him to be out of the playoffs. The fact is that I have been calling for him to be fired for a couple years now and now it has been shown that he is not a good coach.

    Why Should He Go?

    Ok, so it seems from the outside that OKC has done better and better every year under Scott Brooks, and with a key injury this year its not his fault they aren’t winning it all or getting to the finals. Wrong. Lets look at it from the other side. You have three young up and coming stars in Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. They are all in their early twenties and are just learning the game and learning how to win. So year by year they get better in the regular season and get further and further into the playoffs. How many teams with players that young make the finals? Very few. So you have to ask what Scott Brooks did to help them achieve more than they should have. And I say nothing. I see him adding no value. In fact I think he is somewhat of a joke. Last year during the season, they would have him miked up and he would say over and over, “We are a defensive team,” and the team basically laughed at him. They gave up the most points in the NBA, and were clearly an offensive minded team. Second, what do they run down the stretch and in big spots? Nothing. They spread the court with Westbrook, and he dribbles and goes one on one. During this time Durant stands at the top of the key with his guy all over him with his hand up calling for the ball. If Westbrook passes it to him, then guess what he does? Goes one on one. There is no creativity, nothing new or different, to get his team a great look. Look at coaches like Doc Rivers and Gregg Popovich. Down the stretch they run great plays to get great looks. Off the top of my head I can think of a play where Pop had Ginobli inbound to Duncan at the elbow and pretend like he would run behind him for a 3 and then backdoored for an UNCONTESTED LAY UP in the last 10 seconds of a game. I can think of Doc Rivers having Garnett at the top of the key, and Paul Pierce posting up. While this is happening, Jeff Green loops around Garnett, and while Garnett appears to be looking at Pierce for a post up, Pierce actually sets a back screen for Green for a WIDE OPEN LAY UP to WIN THE GAME.

    Next, lets look at what has happened since Westbrook went down. What adjustments have Brooks made since the injury? I see nothing. I see them running their awful one on one offense where they hope that Durant can score on 1, 2, or 3 defenders every possession. If I was him, I would have been running Durant off downscreens and double screens and pinch screens, instead of having him bring the ball up on every possession and trying to create vs multiple defenders. Also, how about making him a decoy? How about you run him off a bunch of screens and hit Collison or Ibaka on a slip for a layup. Never have I seen that. And with Westbrook out, it means that Durant has to score more, defend more, rebound more, and lead more. And Brooks is having him bring the ball up as well. This is a terrible idea. Bringing the ball up makes you more tired, and it brings the defensive focus to you. They are all in help side watching the ball and their man. If Durant were off the ball and came off screens then they couldn’t focus all their attention on him, they would have to focus on the ball.

    Lets look at their personnel. PG-Reggie Jackson vs Michael Conley-advantage Conley. Kevin Martin vs Tony Allen-advantage Martin. Kevin Durant vs Teyshaun Prince-advantage Durant. Serge Ibaka vs Marc Gasol-advantage very slightly to Gasol. Kendrick Perkins vs Zach Randolph-advantage Randolph. Bench-slight edge to Memphis. With all of this the difference comes down defense and how personnel is used. Memphis’ defense is waaaaaaay better than OKC’s. Serge Ibaka now stands on the perimeter and shoots jumpers even though he is one of the most athletic players in the league. There are just so many things that are wrong.

    Who Should Be Hired?

    Phil Jackson. Jerry Sloan. Jeff Van Gundy. No one else. Offer Phil whatever he wants and find yourself in the NBA finals next year.

     

     

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    Now that the Oklahoma City Thunder have been knocked out of the playoffs, its time for them to make a coaching change if they ever want to have a chance to win the title with this group. I know that Russell Westbrook is out and if you read my other blogs you would see I ranked him as the second best point guard in the league. So I do understand what a huge loss it is for him to be out of the playoffs. The fact is that I have been calling for him to be fired for a couple years now and now it has been shown that he is not a good coach.

    Why Should He Go?

    Ok, so it seems from the outside that OKC has done better and better every year under Scott Brooks, and with a key injury this year its not his fault they aren’t winning it all or getting to the finals. Wrong. Lets look at it from the other side. You have three young up and coming stars in Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. They are all in their early twenties and are just learning the game and learning how to win. So year by year they get better in the regular season and get further and further into the playoffs. How many teams with players that young make the finals? Very few. So you have to ask what Scott Brooks did to help them achieve more than they should have. And I say nothing. I see him adding no value. In fact I think he is somewhat of a joke. Last year during the season, they would have him miked up and he would say over and over, “We are a defensive team,” and the team basically laughed at him. They gave up the most points in the NBA, and were clearly an offensive minded team. Second, what do they run down the stretch and in big spots? Nothing. They spread the court with Westbrook, and he dribbles and goes one on one. During this time Durant stands at the top of the key with his guy all over him with his hand up calling for the ball. If Westbrook passes it to him, then guess what he does? Goes one on one. There is no creativity, nothing new or different, to get his team a great look. Look at coaches like Doc Rivers and Gregg Popovich. Down the stretch they run great plays to get great looks. Off the top of my head I can think of a play where Pop had Ginobli inbound to Duncan at the elbow and pretend like he would run behind him for a 3 and then backdoored for an UNCONTESTED LAY UP in the last 10 seconds of a game. I can think of Doc Rivers having Garnett at the top of the key, and Paul Pierce posting up. While this is happening, Jeff Green loops around Garnett, and while Garnett appears to be looking at Pierce for a post up, Pierce actually sets a back screen for Green for a WIDE OPEN LAY UP to WIN THE GAME.

    Next, lets look at what has happened since Westbrook went down. What adjustments have Brooks made since the injury? I see nothing. I see them running their awful one on one offense where they hope that Durant can score on 1, 2, or 3 defenders every possession. If I was him, I would have been running Durant off downscreens and double screens and pinch screens, instead of having him bring the ball up on every possession and trying to create vs multiple defenders. Also, how about making him a decoy? How about you run him off a bunch of screens and hit Collison or Ibaka on a slip for a layup. Never have I seen that. And with Westbrook out, it means that Durant has to score more, defend more, rebound more, and lead more. And Brooks is having him bring the ball up as well. This is a terrible idea. Bringing the ball up makes you more tired, and it brings the defensive focus to you. They are all in help side watching the ball and their man. If Durant were off the ball and came off screens then they couldn’t focus all their attention on him, they would have to focus on the ball.

    Lets look at their personnel. PG-Reggie Jackson vs Michael Conley-advantage Conley. Kevin Martin vs Tony Allen-advantage Martin. Kevin Durant vs Teyshaun Prince-advantage Durant. Serge Ibaka vs Marc Gasol-advantage very slightly to Gasol. Kendrick Perkins vs Zach Randolph-advantage Randolph. Bench-slight edge to Memphis. With all of this the difference comes down defense and how personnel is used. Memphis’ defense is waaaaaaay better than OKC’s. Serge Ibaka now stands on the perimeter and shoots jumpers even though he is one of the most athletic players in the league. There are just so many things that are wrong.

    Who Should Be Hired?

    Phil Jackson. Jerry Sloan. Jeff Van Gundy. No one else. Offer Phil whatever he wants and find yourself in the NBA finals next year.

     

     

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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 2:44 AM ET #2

    Can't predict injuries and its pretty hard to have top tier talent at PG playing behind Westbrook.  You are going to have a dropoff regardless because a higher named guy isn't going to ride the bench and sit behind Westbrook all the time.
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    Can't predict injuries and its pretty hard to have top tier talent at PG playing behind Westbrook.  You are going to have a dropoff regardless because a higher named guy isn't going to ride the bench and sit behind Westbrook all the time.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 2:57 AM ET #3

    Brooks obviously not at fault. They came up against a buzzsaw Grizz team without there 1a. Player 
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 3:08 AM ET #4

    Take away from the Grizzlies, Gasol or Randolph - either one gone, they are a much different and weaker team.
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    Take away from the Grizzlies, Gasol or Randolph - either one gone, they are a much different and weaker team.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 4:07 AM ET #5

    Dead money- get rid of brooks? Are you serious? Scott brooks is one of the best coaches in the NBA. Anyone that knows basketball knows scott brooks is an elite coach. Okc lost because they didnt have Westbrook he is a huge part to their team. Scott brooks did a heck of a job considering the circumstances. What would happen is Zach Randolph went down before the playoffs do you think Memphis Would still be in the western confrence finals? Hell no they wouldn't and then you would be saying coach hollins need to go. What does Memphis and Miami have in common that okc and Chicago didnt? It has nothing to do with coaching has to do with injuries!
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    Dead money- get rid of brooks? Are you serious? Scott brooks is one of the best coaches in the NBA. Anyone that knows basketball knows scott brooks is an elite coach. Okc lost because they didnt have Westbrook he is a huge part to their team. Scott brooks did a heck of a job considering the circumstances. What would happen is Zach Randolph went down before the playoffs do you think Memphis Would still be in the western confrence finals? Hell no they wouldn't and then you would be saying coach hollins need to go. What does Memphis and Miami have in common that okc and Chicago didnt? It has nothing to do with coaching has to do with injuries!
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 4:50 AM ET #6

    Pointless thread that I disagree with
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    in one of okc losses it looked like he was reading from an index card placed in front of him. the real problem is y did they let harden go? instead traded ibaka for salaries. harden durant westbrook best 3 in league. okc left themselves open for injury bc clearly offensive challenged. i will say its amazing how players can make coaches look good. i do question brooks at times. tough to fire coach with injury star player and over 150 wins last 3 seasons
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    in one of okc losses it looked like he was reading from an index card placed in front of him. the real problem is y did they let harden go? instead traded ibaka for salaries. harden durant westbrook best 3 in league. okc left themselves open for injury bc clearly offensive challenged. i will say its amazing how players can make coaches look good. i do question brooks at times. tough to fire coach with injury star player and over 150 wins last 3 seasons
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 10:00 AM ET #8

    A coach is worth keeping if he can beat a healthy Spurs team in a 7 game series.  
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    A coach is worth keeping if he can beat a healthy Spurs team in a 7 game series.  
     
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    brooks is a good coach, but his offensive sets suck.
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 10:15 AM ET #10

    Didnt bother to read this non sense. I just read the title and laughed..
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    Didnt bother to read this non sense. I just read the title and laughed..
     
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    well the people who agree with me don't need to respond because they know its true. People who don't understand basketball are the ones that chime in. One of you who replied tell me a play that OKC runs. There are none. Its one on one basketball every possession. They are longer than the grizzlies at every spot on the floor yet shoot nothing but jump shots. why not post ibaka, perkins, durant? Perk is the only one without a size advantage but he has strength advantage. Look at Golden State, they get mismatches on Barnes and post him. The spurs get mismatches with Leonard and post him. OKC takes their 6-10 perk, and their 6-11 ibaka and their 6-10 durant and has them on the perimeter shooting jumpers. Its horrific coaching.

    Look at Tom Thibodeau. Loses Rose and Deng and Heinrich and wins a series vs and a game 7 on the road. Thats coaching. They battled Miami and just didn't have enough in Game 5. Teams lose players and don't grow straight out. Maybe they don't win it all but those coaches make adjustments and plug the new guy into the system. What adjustments has Brooks made? None.

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    well the people who agree with me don't need to respond because they know its true. People who don't understand basketball are the ones that chime in. One of you who replied tell me a play that OKC runs. There are none. Its one on one basketball every possession. They are longer than the grizzlies at every spot on the floor yet shoot nothing but jump shots. why not post ibaka, perkins, durant? Perk is the only one without a size advantage but he has strength advantage. Look at Golden State, they get mismatches on Barnes and post him. The spurs get mismatches with Leonard and post him. OKC takes their 6-10 perk, and their 6-11 ibaka and their 6-10 durant and has them on the perimeter shooting jumpers. Its horrific coaching.

    Look at Tom Thibodeau. Loses Rose and Deng and Heinrich and wins a series vs and a game 7 on the road. Thats coaching. They battled Miami and just didn't have enough in Game 5. Teams lose players and don't grow straight out. Maybe they don't win it all but those coaches make adjustments and plug the new guy into the system. What adjustments has Brooks made? None.

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 7:39 PM ET #13

    26 points on the self....Plus this guy went to the finals last year 
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    Scott Brooks is not one of the best coaches in the NBA.  He offers nothing when it comes to in game adjustments.  He won't be fired, and having Westbrook go down was a blessing in disguise for him.  Scott Brooks is average at best and OKC will never win a title with him.

     
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    Scott Brooks is not one of the best coaches in the NBA.  He offers nothing when it comes to in game adjustments.  He won't be fired, and having Westbrook go down was a blessing in disguise for him.  Scott Brooks is average at best and OKC will never win a title with him.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by slick15:

    26 points on the self....Plus this guy went to the finals last year 

    Stan Van Gundy, Mike Brown, Byron Scott (twice) all made the NBA finals as well.  The list goes on...............  
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    Quote Originally Posted by slick15:

    26 points on the self....Plus this guy went to the finals last year 

    Stan Van Gundy, Mike Brown, Byron Scott (twice) all made the NBA finals as well.  The list goes on...............  
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 7:50 PM ET #16

    He got dealt a pretty sh-itty hand losing his star when he did.  Very reactionary and unjustified opinion expressed here.

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    He got dealt a pretty sh-itty hand losing his star when he did.  Very reactionary and unjustified opinion expressed here.

     
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    How is Brooks one of the best coaches in the league? What has he shown in game that would support that, nothing I can see. He was a part of letting Green go for Perkins, Harden go for Martin and lets Westbrook run wreckless. Hes a former pg and was a decent backup yet I see him having not much control over Russell's erracticness nor in Russell's growth as a pg.
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    How is Brooks one of the best coaches in the league? What has he shown in game that would support that, nothing I can see. He was a part of letting Green go for Perkins, Harden go for Martin and lets Westbrook run wreckless. Hes a former pg and was a decent backup yet I see him having not much control over Russell's erracticness nor in Russell's growth as a pg.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2013 - 7:55 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by numbersbuster:

    He got dealt a pretty sh-itty hand losing his star when he did.  Very reactionary and unjustified opinion expressed here.


    Had the opinion before this season even started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbersbuster:

    He got dealt a pretty sh-itty hand losing his star when he did.  Very reactionary and unjustified opinion expressed here.


    Had the opinion before this season even started.
     
     
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    ok all the people who said its unfair cuz Westbrook went down read it again. I said he should have been gone before this. Do you think that Phil Jackson or Pop or Doc or Thibadeau couldn't do more with this team? Even without Westbrook. I think they could. And could you imagine Scott Brooks being an NBA champion coach? I can't.

     

     

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    ok all the people who said its unfair cuz Westbrook went down read it again. I said he should have been gone before this. Do you think that Phil Jackson or Pop or Doc or Thibadeau couldn't do more with this team? Even without Westbrook. I think they could. And could you imagine Scott Brooks being an NBA champion coach? I can't.

     

     

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