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    Pelicans/Clippers 240 Total?

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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2019 - 6:34 PM ET #1

    I know these 2 teams get very high totals.  But 240?  This number seems a few points too high.  You have to get 60 points every single quarter to hit 240.  
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    I know these 2 teams get very high totals.  But 240?  This number seems a few points too high.  You have to get 60 points every single quarter to hit 240.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2019 - 7:57 PM ET #2

    Yeah but just look at both team's pace ratings for the season as well as their offense/defense efficiency.
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 1:23 AM ET #3

    Looked at box score.  Pelicans were up 117-115 with around 26.5 seconds left.  Why did the clippers take 13 seconds to foul?  They fouled with 13 seconds left.  Pelicans made the free throws and basically it wasn't even enough time for them to make any type of comeback.  Anyone watch the ending of this?



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    Looked at box score.  Pelicans were up 117-115 with around 26.5 seconds left.  Why did the clippers take 13 seconds to foul?  They fouled with 13 seconds left.  Pelicans made the free throws and basically it wasn't even enough time for them to make any type of comeback.  Anyone watch the ending of this?



     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 1:34 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by donny300:

    Looked at box score.  Pelicans were up 117-115 with around 26.5 seconds left.  Why did the clippers take 13 seconds to foul?  They fouled with 13 seconds left.  Pelicans made the free throws and basically it wasn't even enough time for them to make any type of comeback.  Anyone watch the ending of this?

     

    Yeah and clips missed about 4-5 easy shots in a row when they were only down 4 I believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by donny300:

    Looked at box score.  Pelicans were up 117-115 with around 26.5 seconds left.  Why did the clippers take 13 seconds to foul?  They fouled with 13 seconds left.  Pelicans made the free throws and basically it wasn't even enough time for them to make any type of comeback.  Anyone watch the ending of this?

     

    Yeah and clips missed about 4-5 easy shots in a row when they were only down 4 I believe

     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 1:42 AM ET #5

    Seriously oddsmakers are too good.  The 1st half total was 125 or so.  The total was 240.  If you looked at the scoreboard the last few minutes of the 2nd half, you would have thought there was no way the over 1st half was going to hit.  Then they hit it by scoring so much in the last few minutes to hit 129.  Then on the 2nd half, total is 115.  And it lands on 238.  If you look at it at halftime, having the over is pretty good and then all this had to happen in the 2nd half.


    The thing is 240 meant 5 points per minute.  The issue is if there is any scoring drought for any extended period of time during entire game, well the over is not looking good.  I took the over b/c it was so high.  But of course it lands very close to the number and does not hit it due to those clippers playing stupid.



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    Seriously oddsmakers are too good.  The 1st half total was 125 or so.  The total was 240.  If you looked at the scoreboard the last few minutes of the 2nd half, you would have thought there was no way the over 1st half was going to hit.  Then they hit it by scoring so much in the last few minutes to hit 129.  Then on the 2nd half, total is 115.  And it lands on 238.  If you look at it at halftime, having the over is pretty good and then all this had to happen in the 2nd half.


    The thing is 240 meant 5 points per minute.  The issue is if there is any scoring drought for any extended period of time during entire game, well the over is not looking good.  I took the over b/c it was so high.  But of course it lands very close to the number and does not hit it due to those clippers playing stupid.



     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 1:44 AM ET #6

    Bad coaching at the end. They fouled the guy that is 8-8 at the line instead of the guy that just missed 2. 

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    Bad coaching at the end. They fouled the guy that is 8-8 at the line instead of the guy that just missed 2. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 1:52 AM ET #7

    The bookmaker knew exactly what would happen in this game.
    ...and the other late game...Port @ Sacr

    New Orleans @ Clippers
    Total 240 
    FIRST HALF total 125 (scored 129 ...Over)

    Portland @ Sacramento
    Total 228
    FIRST HALF total 111 ( scored 98....Under)

    SO>>> bookmaker made 1st Half line in Clippers game 125, which is MORE than half of 240
    First half went OVER

    bookmaker made 1st Half line in Sacramento game 111. which is LESS than half of 228.
    First half went UNDER

    How do they know ???


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    The bookmaker knew exactly what would happen in this game.
    ...and the other late game...Port @ Sacr

    New Orleans @ Clippers
    Total 240 
    FIRST HALF total 125 (scored 129 ...Over)

    Portland @ Sacramento
    Total 228
    FIRST HALF total 111 ( scored 98....Under)

    SO>>> bookmaker made 1st Half line in Clippers game 125, which is MORE than half of 240
    First half went OVER

    bookmaker made 1st Half line in Sacramento game 111. which is LESS than half of 228.
    First half went UNDER

    How do they know ???


     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 1:59 AM ET #8

    Why did they wait that long to foul though?  
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    Why did they wait that long to foul though?  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 2:01 AM ET #9

    I notice the same thing with the 1st half totals in both of those games.  The 125 one i thought was ridiculously high, thats over 5 points a minute.  If you saw the score with like 3 minutes left, you would have thought no way they go over the 1st half and they did.  Then when you look at 2nd half line, they made it 115 or so.  So basically 1st half was 125 and 2nd half was 115.  And then the pelicans/clippers couldn't even score that much in the 2nd half.  How are these oddsmakers so good at this?


    I mean if you saw the 1st half or the score, you would figure it would go over in the 2nd half.  Only for it to go under.  


    How do they set the line this accurate and the teams play exactly according to this?
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    I notice the same thing with the 1st half totals in both of those games.  The 125 one i thought was ridiculously high, thats over 5 points a minute.  If you saw the score with like 3 minutes left, you would have thought no way they go over the 1st half and they did.  Then when you look at 2nd half line, they made it 115 or so.  So basically 1st half was 125 and 2nd half was 115.  And then the pelicans/clippers couldn't even score that much in the 2nd half.  How are these oddsmakers so good at this?


    I mean if you saw the 1st half or the score, you would figure it would go over in the 2nd half.  Only for it to go under.  


    How do they set the line this accurate and the teams play exactly according to this?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 2:15 AM ET #10

    Donny. I was typing my post the same time you were typing yours.
    It just took me longer to type mine.

    And we basically typed the same thing.

    Crazy sh*t



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    Donny. I was typing my post the same time you were typing yours.
    It just took me longer to type mine.

    And we basically typed the same thing.

    Crazy sh*t



     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 2:19 AM ET #11

    We may have learned a valuable lesson tonight.

    I will start tracking these 1st half totals to see if  the bookmaker takes a position... as they did in these two games…. how often will they be correct ??


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    We may have learned a valuable lesson tonight.

    I will start tracking these 1st half totals to see if  the bookmaker takes a position... as they did in these two games…. how often will they be correct ??


     
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    I have a feeling it will be often
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    I have a feeling it will be often
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 5:40 AM ET #13

    also, a lot of missed free throws. I watch so many teams in the NBA struggle from the Free throw line, unreal.....

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    also, a lot of missed free throws. I watch so many teams in the NBA struggle from the Free throw line, unreal.....

     
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    How are these oddsmakers so good at this?I mean if you saw the 1st half or the score, you would figure it would go over in the 2nd half.

    Dude, obviously you're still new to betting totals. Here's how it works.

    FIRST HALF

    Look at the full game total. Take half of that. A 1st half "normal" line should be within 1-2 points of that. (Which some 1st half lines are)

    Example: Game ABC has a game total of O/U 220

    First half line is 109-111

    Don't bet this bc it's a complete coinflip and the odds makers don't care as long as they attract equal action on both sides.

    IF it's considerably LESS than half of the full game total, take the under for the 1st half. Which means the 2nd half of the game will likely go over.

    Example: Game ABC has a game total of O/U 220

    First half line is 104-108

    In the above first half line of 104-108, take the UNDER. Notice how it is considerably less than half of the full game total.

    If the first half is considerably GREATER than half of the full game total, take the OVER for the first half. This means that the 2nd half will likely go under.

    Example: Game ABC has a game total of O/U220

    First half line is 112-115

    In the above first half line of 112-115, take the OVER. Notice how it is considerably greater than half of the full game total.

    For last night's game, the first half total for the Hornets @ Clips was 126. (I know cuz I took the over) The full game total was 239/240ish. What is half of 239/240? 120ish. The first half line should have been around 118-122 but it was 126 so you take the OVER for the 1st half. Also, you're wondering how you can calculate the half time O/U line in advance? Is it due to the current score? Surprisingly no. The 2nd half O/U should be:

    Full game O/U MINUS first half O/U

    It should be close to that. For this Hornets @ Clips game, the O/U was 239, 1st half was 126 and the 2nd half was 114? 126 + 114 = 239-240... an_lightsurprised

    As long as you have the first half O/U, you can already predict the O/U for the 2nd half and anticipate the "story line."

    2ND HALF

    As a general guide line for betting 2nd half O/U's use this. If the first half went OVER half of the full game total, take the under for the 2nd half. If the first half went UNDER half of the full game total, take the OVER for the 2nd half. You can employ this strategy BLINDLY without even watching the game. If we lived in a world where there was NO JUICE, we were immortals who could replay this 2nd half scenario over a million times, this BLIND strategy would win 50.001% of the time. That, .001% makes this a winning strategy but due to juice, this strategy is probably unprofitable.

    Also, don't bet this strategy yet. Employ it for a couple of weeks to test the validity of this strategy. On a side note, this betting strategy only applies to MAJOR college basketball games. Games that involve 2 big colleges. As for the rest of the other "small" colleges, it's whole lot more random and not profitable. Believe me, I would know cuz I tried applying it to college games and it simply does not work the majority of the time. The NBA is more "predictable" whereas college is more random.

    Although this was a long read, it will be an essential tool in your tool box. Remember it and pass it along.. peacepeace_5clover

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    How are these oddsmakers so good at this?I mean if you saw the 1st half or the score, you would figure it would go over in the 2nd half.

    Dude, obviously you're still new to betting totals. Here's how it works.

    FIRST HALF

    Look at the full game total. Take half of that. A 1st half "normal" line should be within 1-2 points of that. (Which some 1st half lines are)

    Example: Game ABC has a game total of O/U 220

    First half line is 109-111

    Don't bet this bc it's a complete coinflip and the odds makers don't care as long as they attract equal action on both sides.

    IF it's considerably LESS than half of the full game total, take the under for the 1st half. Which means the 2nd half of the game will likely go over.

    Example: Game ABC has a game total of O/U 220

    First half line is 104-108

    In the above first half line of 104-108, take the UNDER. Notice how it is considerably less than half of the full game total.

    If the first half is considerably GREATER than half of the full game total, take the OVER for the first half. This means that the 2nd half will likely go under.

    Example: Game ABC has a game total of O/U220

    First half line is 112-115

    In the above first half line of 112-115, take the OVER. Notice how it is considerably greater than half of the full game total.

    For last night's game, the first half total for the Hornets @ Clips was 126. (I know cuz I took the over) The full game total was 239/240ish. What is half of 239/240? 120ish. The first half line should have been around 118-122 but it was 126 so you take the OVER for the 1st half. Also, you're wondering how you can calculate the half time O/U line in advance? Is it due to the current score? Surprisingly no. The 2nd half O/U should be:

    Full game O/U MINUS first half O/U

    It should be close to that. For this Hornets @ Clips game, the O/U was 239, 1st half was 126 and the 2nd half was 114? 126 + 114 = 239-240... an_lightsurprised

    As long as you have the first half O/U, you can already predict the O/U for the 2nd half and anticipate the "story line."

    2ND HALF

    As a general guide line for betting 2nd half O/U's use this. If the first half went OVER half of the full game total, take the under for the 2nd half. If the first half went UNDER half of the full game total, take the OVER for the 2nd half. You can employ this strategy BLINDLY without even watching the game. If we lived in a world where there was NO JUICE, we were immortals who could replay this 2nd half scenario over a million times, this BLIND strategy would win 50.001% of the time. That, .001% makes this a winning strategy but due to juice, this strategy is probably unprofitable.

    Also, don't bet this strategy yet. Employ it for a couple of weeks to test the validity of this strategy. On a side note, this betting strategy only applies to MAJOR college basketball games. Games that involve 2 big colleges. As for the rest of the other "small" colleges, it's whole lot more random and not profitable. Believe me, I would know cuz I tried applying it to college games and it simply does not work the majority of the time. The NBA is more "predictable" whereas college is more random.

    Although this was a long read, it will be an essential tool in your tool box. Remember it and pass it along.. peacepeace_5clover

     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 7:57 AM ET #15

    TheSquare- you said all that but wrote in there it will work .50001 of the time aka a coin flip aka not profitable. Did I misunderstand you? 

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    TheSquare- you said all that but wrote in there it will work .50001 of the time aka a coin flip aka not profitable. Did I misunderstand you? 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 8:42 AM ET #16

    You read that correctly. I don't have an exact winning percentage because I would have to have access a huge database with odds from multiple books along with the tools to process the exact bet conditions. Nonetheless 50.00001% whatever, is still WINNING (not a coin flip anymore) but it's NOT profitable due to the juice. Understand the difference. A "true coinflip" would have perfect conditions (inside a computer program) that over eternity, would yield 50/50 results. The juice/vig is what makes it not profitable. Why do you think for the superbowl, that the coin toss is priced at -105? If there was no juice, the strategy that I wrote above be profitable despite ANY minuscule small winning percentage. Also, (I'm not endorsing this by no means) there is a website, www.betlabssports.com that lets you test any system with past odds from multiple books and different conditions. Too bad it costs like $30 a month to subscribe to it. But it makes you think, with all that data that they have, the betlabsports.com would have found a profitable system. So, even before you subscribe to it, you can logically conclude that there IS no profitable system otherwise the website would have exploited it already.. an_lightan_drunksick Or is exploiting it right now.. surprised

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    You read that correctly. I don't have an exact winning percentage because I would have to have access a huge database with odds from multiple books along with the tools to process the exact bet conditions. Nonetheless 50.00001% whatever, is still WINNING (not a coin flip anymore) but it's NOT profitable due to the juice. Understand the difference. A "true coinflip" would have perfect conditions (inside a computer program) that over eternity, would yield 50/50 results. The juice/vig is what makes it not profitable. Why do you think for the superbowl, that the coin toss is priced at -105? If there was no juice, the strategy that I wrote above be profitable despite ANY minuscule small winning percentage. Also, (I'm not endorsing this by no means) there is a website, www.betlabssports.com that lets you test any system with past odds from multiple books and different conditions. Too bad it costs like $30 a month to subscribe to it. But it makes you think, with all that data that they have, the betlabsports.com would have found a profitable system. So, even before you subscribe to it, you can logically conclude that there IS no profitable system otherwise the website would have exploited it already.. an_lightan_drunksick Or is exploiting it right now.. surprised

    https://www.betlabssports.com/

     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 9:20 AM ET #17

    Gotcha. You wrote your strategy as if it had more of an edge than simply 0.001% which is essentially a coin flip (yes I know it’s not exactly), and since vig is a real thing, renders your post irrelevant. Should be noted that you’re 0.001 number is completely made up - hey, could be actually more/significant, just that nobody knows. Good luck

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    Gotcha. You wrote your strategy as if it had more of an edge than simply 0.001% which is essentially a coin flip (yes I know it’s not exactly), and since vig is a real thing, renders your post irrelevant. Should be noted that you’re 0.001 number is completely made up - hey, could be actually more/significant, just that nobody knows. Good luck

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2019 - 9:25 AM ET #18

    ^^^ Cool man. We're all on the same page then. thumbs_up But remember, "test run" the 1st half and the 2nd half strategy for the next couple of weeks/months and see what you get.. clover

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    ^^^ Cool man. We're all on the same page then. thumbs_up But remember, "test run" the 1st half and the 2nd half strategy for the next couple of weeks/months and see what you get.. clover

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