Why Kevin McHale ends the GOAT argument for me.

First of all, this is just my opinion. You are welcome to yours but I am about to give you mine. It is humble but I do believe it fervently. I was watching one of those old throwback shows the other day and they were showing those great Lakers/Celtics finals with Magic and Bird. No doubt about it, great players and great times. One of the best players back then was Kevin Mchale. Now, I am a little drunk and going off memory but I believe he was 6'11". Great post player and decent moves mostly with his back to the basket. Also, a fine defender for the day. Now, here is the part that gets me today. Other than his height and decent coordination, the guy was a total string bean. He had no shoulders and no hops. Today, I honestly think with the athleticism of the modern athlete and the year round training for most of these guys, KEVIN MCHALE COULD NOT PLAY IN THE NBA.

 

 

That is my argument. Take a guy like Jordan snf  who was he dunking on? Skinny, no shouldered, no jumping,  little kick sand in my face Kevin Mchale. There were some solid post players back then but they did not have the physiques these guys have today. The league has just changed and the quality is sooooo much better.

I have called him the Queen thousands of times. I have watched him disappear with the game on the line, time after time after time early in his career. But today, right now, enjoy it my friends. As you are getting to see the greatest ball player ever. If you do not believe me, just look at this picture of Kevin Mchale from back in the day.

 

 

Crash-

 

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/larry1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

 

 

 

 

Oh and look at the arms on old Larry too!   What would LeBron do to him?!  

 

Those guys were good but they did not have the bodies these guys do today.

 

 

and then take a look at this....

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44106321

Another reason why recreational marijuana should not be legaliZed.  Couldn't play today? Those laker and celtics teams were better then today's teams. Todays basketball is trash. Bunch of kunts and complainers launching up 3's. And last time i looked Steph Curry has the body of a crack head let alone a string bean

that is not opinion,that is FACT in regards to the physical qualities of SOME OF the average players from byegone era's,even just 20 years ago....but having said that,if you look at the physique and physical abilities of michael jordan there is no way in hell you could say that athletically he doesnt belong in the league today,dude was WAAAAY ahead of his time and even now is probably the greatest pure athlete to ever play in the league...have you seen the guy??he was a fuggen acrobat/ballerina in shorts,could jump out of the gym and had the most extraordinary dexterity/balance/co-ordination and wiry strength and extreme quickness,particularly his first 8 or 9 years in the league......so yea,jack sikma,rick smits,kevin mchale,bill wennington,craig ehlo,scott skiles,jon koncak...sure,you can make a case for them dudes not having a place in the league currently,but jordan was a feckin alien sent from another dimension specifically to play basketball.

First of all, you dont judge a player on physique, this is not and never has been a body building competition. By your standards Dwight Howard should be the most dominant player ever...remember when "skinny" KG ate him for breakfast time after time? 

McHale had better fundamentals/footwork/moves in the post than any player I have seen in my life with exception to Olajuwon (even then its still a toss up, they excel in different ways). Dont underscore that aspect of his game by throwing some flimsy compliment "great post player and decent moves".  Also, body type and "size of arms & shoulder" doesnt necessarily represent core/true strength....McHale & Bird are probably terrible examples too because they could bang in the paint with just about anybody and tougher than 90% of the athletes today (esp Bird, he was a psycho...even that animal Laimbeer was scared of him). 

Athletes today might be better built and conditioned today as a whole but you have to take into account how the rules of the game has changed as well...you cant handcheck a player 60 feet down the court or take hard shots every time they drive to the rim....I would love to see Lebron play the bad boy Pistons & likes. 

Dont get me started on the modern NBA switching, where Lebron is backing down the likes of Rozier all the way to the rim? These are the really big dudes you are talking about? Only giving up 70 LBS and 6 inches, thats all...might want to check how he got his 44 the other night and who he was matched up against on majority of the scoring possessions.

Too many people living in the moment, cherry picking data and arguments without context....LBJ is one of the greatest players of all time but he will never ever surpass Jordan. 

with the studies in training, nutrition, science and roids and all that stuff the players back then had none of that stuff 

Lebron is the GOAT because he is dunking over bigger people than Jordan.  

I didnt know we benchmarked players based on who they were dunking on. 

What does physique means in todays sneeze and go to the free throw line league? More athletic players doesnt equate to the league being tougher to play in. 

 https://youtu.be/uEaMH-cVDf8 this is a video of Michael Jordans 63 point game against the celtics. I cant see that that terrific old nba style defense people love to bring up. Also, the refs gave me every call if you watch the video you can see the refs call the same ticky tack fouls that they call today. Due to the fact nobody has ever seen an athlete like Jordan play with those set of skills in the NBA before he was dubbed the greateast of all time. Nowadays players with Jordans skills are much more prevelant. Nothing that I see on this highlight reel amazes me. In fact I am much more amazed at Donavon Mitchell highlights(not just the dunks) but the actual skill and athleticism. If Jordan were to be playing in the modern NBA I believe he would be an above average player. Lebron would average 100 points against the celtics that mj was playing in that 63 point game. Kyrie irving, Donovan Mitchell, Anthony Davis, Steph curry, Durant, would literally average 100 points in the old nba. Facts only. Players nowadays are bigger faster stronger and more skilled. Also stop the arguments about fouls not being called in the old nba. They called the same type of fouls they called nowadays except there was no such thing as a flagrant foul so all types of fouls we're penalized the same way. That's literally it. Then in the 1990 the flagrant foul rule was made and the bad boy pistons were no longer the bad boy pistons. They were just the Pistons. Lebron is bigger faster stronger and more skilled than everybody that played back then. That might be hard to accept but it's natural for human beings to get more skilled at something over time with new forms of training and knowledge. Could the players that started playing in the first few years of the NBA compete with the players of Michael's era? Majority not. It's evolution.

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